Joanne Starer and Khary Randolph Interview - Dinner Date

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Hello, everybody, and welcome to today's episode of the Crypto Creator Corner. I'm Byron O'Neill, your host for our comics creator chat. Today, I'm joined by two new faces on the show who co created the funniest book I've read this year by a mile. That is Dinner Date from Ignition Press. Surely the only dynamic duo that could breathe life into the Gowanus Canal enough for me to give a shit about it.

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Please welcome Joanne Starr and Carrie Randolph. How are you both doing today?

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We're great. We're surviving a heat wave in Europe.

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Yeah. It's actually kind miserable outside. We're literally in an hotel across the street from our army.

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This is not all beautiful art.

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I like the art. It's really nice.

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Yeah. People who are listening

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on the podcast, so sorry. We can't help you there. Well, you didn't get to San Diego, nor did I, but you beat the FOMO by doing something, in my opinion, way better. So you were nerding out in Switzerland, including a visit to the HR Giger Museum. So first time there?

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Yes. It's not our first time in Switzerland, but our first time to that heart of Switzerland. And we went to the Eager Museum, we went to Queen's former recording studio, and

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Oh, wow. Something else. We went to the We

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went to the Charlie Chaplin Museum. Yeah. Which is like a whole Charlie Chaplin theme park, basically.

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Yeah. We we moved to Vienna, Austria three years ago. So visiting different European countries is just like a hot minute skip for us these days. So it's, it's pretty cool to just hop on a plane and then like an hour later be somewhere completely different. It's pretty awesome.

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Yeah. You could be somewhere completely different on a plane from North Carolina where I'm at. By the way, I don't have much sympathy for the heat wave because like we live in, we, it's a soup outside here. So yeah. But yeah, it's been a minute, I guess, since I've been to Switzerland and the Giger Museum.

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That was, I was on tour in the late nineties. I think I was working for Ozzy at the time. It's been a while, no idea if it's still there, but the, the baby machine thing was brand new when I visited. I don't know. Baby.

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Are they still there?

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Don't remember.

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A strip of baby heads. Yeah.

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It was definitely baby heads.

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Yeah. Well, the problem with the Giger Museum is that there's no information. It's like there's a lot of art, and not a lot of explanation. So we were just looking at things and not really knowing what we were looking at.

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And and also with Giger, it's like, once you've been there for like five minutes, it all kind of blurs into one big phallic Yeah. I'm not gonna say mess. So Nutration. It's a lot of pain. Insulation.

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A lot of force.

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It really is.

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Yeah. What a great inspiration.

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Okay. We won't go there. Maybe maybe it does apply. Okay? So, we'll get into dinner date.

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You know, romance comics are normally not my thing, but something about this really spoke to me. And I was like, oh, I wanna I wanna talk to them about that. And after reading it, y'all killed it. And I wanna just take a moment here to to kind of give Ignition Press their flowers because they are absolutely bar none the best indie publisher in 2026 for me. Like fantastic stuff that they're putting out.

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Like everything that they're doing, like dog sitters, like I wouldn't give a shit normally about-

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Right.

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You know, a romance comedy about dog walkers, but like, it was fantastic. How did the book end up with Ignition?

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So I actually started working on this book probably before any comic I've done. Like I had this idea years ago, maybe like twenty oh, whenever I had it was probably like ten years ago. I had a hip surgery, and I realized that I was gonna have a lot of downtime. And at the time, I was like a comic book editor, freelance. And then I was also editing self published books, which are awful.

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Don't do that.

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K.

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And I was like, I have a lot of downtime. Maybe it's time to finally try and write something. And so I came up with this while I was full of, oxy and other painkillers after my surgery and couldn't get out of my 4th Floor walk up in Manhattan. And then it just sat for a long time. Because the actual subject matter is not most mainstream comic publishers don't want a rom com, even if it's a vampire rom com.

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Sure.

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But then we did Sirens for Boom, which is a has some vampires in it, but the we got to know the guys at Boom. And when Philip branched off for Ignition, and took all these other great people like Jamie Rich and Jeremy Hahn, you know, there was like this power group. And so we said, maybe let's chat with them. So they told me, look, we're not trying to do superhero books, we want to do something different. And I went through my archives, and I was like, I have something that I've been wanting to do forever.

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And I think probably they were open to it because Sirens had been well received and was closer to this kind of genre of supernatural, a little romance, you know?

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Yeah. I I mean, for for me, once we had finished Sirens, we were definitely in a mode of, what should we do next? And Joanne had she's always got a couple different ideas that that she's working on at the same time. And for me, it was just it was something about this book. It already it had elements that I loved, right, Eve?

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I think we were doing it in Sirens, like, one, the vampire aspect. Two, the fact that it's it's based in New York City, which also has that kind of connection. So, like, I kind of felt like it would be a good fit for me because if you like sirens, it's an easy enough trajectory to go from one book to another. And I and also, I I really wanted to do a book in color again. After after, you know, Cyrus, which was I loved working on that so much, but I was I was sick of seeing myself in black and white, and I just wanted to pop a lot of color, and I just thought this would be a good book to really emphasize some of that kind of visual style going forward.

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Gotcha.

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Well, the premise of the book, I think, Joanne, comes from your experience online dating apps, and it sounds like also sort of a, you know, oxy haze at the You know, I I am absolutely glad I've never had to do that. I think I'm just a little bit aged out of that whole, you know, online dating app thing. You know, God forbid something should happen to my wife. I'm gonna be all like Obi Wan Kenobi living as a hermit for the rest of my life. You know, it seems terrible, right?

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Given the tone of the book, it's worse than I imagined,

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question mark? Oh, it's awful. I was on the dating apps for probably close to ten years. Right. And I don't think I think I only ever went on two second dates, like, that's how bad it was.

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It was just a million first dates. And a lot of the stuff that you see in the book, that's like messages from guys, or like screen names and stuff, that's real experiences that I had.

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Oh my god. Okay.

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Guys, men will just send you the most disgusting messages that you did not ask for. I don't know what about my profile, because my dating profile was like, talked about comics, and Eugene Merman's my favorite comedian. Like, it was very specific. Not like, send me your dick, but they won't send you their dick. It doesn't they're not even reading the profile.

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So Joanne

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is, you know, she's my creative partner, but also my life partner.

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Yeah. So I don't want to do that anymore.

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Probably even started dating. We were friends for a very long time, and some of my favorite stories she would tell is just, so I went on this date with this guy, and there were always horror stories. Always. And so that's another thing where I was just like, she's she's already got a wealth of experience in this this realm already. So it it's just it's perfect for comics.

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It's perfect.

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Yeah. And I it definitely I think all women who have to be on the apps feel a certain amount of rage.

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Like, believe it or not, you know, it became up at dinner the other night. I was telling my wife about the premise of the and it I guess it sounds dead on because she said she had friends that got on the dating apps, and in less than twenty four hours, were like, just 60 dick pics. It's just like Yeah. And gotta be honest, like, the penis is not very pretty. Like, I don't understand how this is the first salvo for dudes, and that's gonna just win you over.

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Like, it's I don't know. Anyway. Won't we won't mean, develop too

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it's not. It's like, it's a power thing, you know? And I think that's why this idea, you know, makes sense, because it makes women get so angry. Right? Nobody's getting a dick pic and going, Thank you.

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Like,

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you're

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full of rage. And I was just I was just like, it makes sense that if you wanted to go and murder a million horrible men, if you wanted to make sure that the people you were killing were kinda dickheads, this is how you would find them. If I was a vampire is what I would do.

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Tracks. The book starts so well. You have this unlikely setting of your two main characters of Sydney and Izzy, and they're sort of budding potential love interest, you know? But it it starts in all of all places, a rideshare, which feels like a weird connection point. So where did that come from?

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It wasn't in the original story. There was a lot of scenes on the subway in the original story because it was not it was a while ago and rideshares weren't as popular. I think we sort of had the idea, you know, that we want New York to be a character in the book. You know, the setting is really important to what's happening. And rideshare allows them to move around the city, and it also created, like, a natural meeting place for her to meet somebody that she wasn't looking for, right?

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So Sid's a vampire, she's hunting these men, but she's not gonna, you know, go out on a date with a nice chick, that's not her priority right now. So having them meet in this unnatural way where we can right away see what Izzy's personality is and how she could wince it over, it just made sense.

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And and I think visually, it it really it helps me to showcase as much of New York City, specifically Brooklyn for a lot of it, as possible without, you know, having to physically go to this location or go to this location, which is kind of it's like a nice little tour, it lets me really show off a lot of my crowd skills.

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He's he's asked to draw a complicated background.

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Well, worked really, really well.

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And I

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I like it it's very different. I don't think I've ever quite seen it before. Right? Because, Kari, you created a, an, like an intimate space. It's not something we necessarily always think of an intimate space, but it really became that here.

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You know, it snapshots this encapsulation, right. Where there, the world outside sort of recedes, you know, it mirrors my own experience being my wife for the first time, you know, connection eclipses environment. I imagine that's probably true for most people when they, they, it's like, Oh, I really like this person, you know, but of course you have to create that with, with a comic book. So walk me through working inside that space as an artist.

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Well, it's, you know, one of one of the one of the easiest and the hardest things as a visual artist is drawing two people having a conversation. Right? Like, Yeah. In in in theory, it should be, like, pages you can just fly through because you're just doing talking heads. But I really care about keeping the reader's attention, and and my attention too, honestly.

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And so I'm always thinking about how to draw conversations in a way that hadn't been seen before or hitting unique angles or just making sure that every panel is interesting. And I think when you're in a car like that, you just have so many options to just kinda explore the world around you while still focusing on the the world. There's the world inside, that's the conversation, but then you see the world outside as well, and that juxtaposition makes for some really interesting camera shots and and angles.

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Yeah. Tell him about the color inspiration.

[00:14:35] - [Speaker 4]
Oh, yeah. And, well, and so, you know, I mentioned color earlier. And Right. And one of the you know, I was when we first started working on it, I was like, how do we make this book stand apart visually? And so I really started just looking at movies and films, and and I started really digging back into the works of of Michael Mann, and specifically the way he suits night scenes, because I knew night scenes would be a big part of this book, you know, vampire story, obviously.

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He does a lot of night scenes in Cars, where it's it's got so vividly. He he uses a lot of neon, a lot of just rain slicked effects, and I was like, boom, that's exactly what this book means. And so I I knew I wanted to to get a lot of color, but also a lot of mood. And, you know, rain plays a big part as well in a sense, because I'm always in New York. I feel like some of the most visual aspects of New York are like, right after it rains, or like Sure.

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Like when it's raining, it really brings out kind of a mood to the city. And so getting all of that in one thing was like, it was very important to me. And you'll see throughout the series, it's always either to rain, it's raining, or it just finished raining. It's just a constant thing in this book.

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Yeah. The it really gave the the colorist, Emilio Lopez, like absolute moments to shine for their work, like stunning. I was like, woah, this is great.

[00:16:17] - [Speaker 4]
And me and Emilio have worked together at this point for close to twenty years. And even still, he still finds a way to surprise me. Like, this is some of the best work he's ever done. Like, he when the first couple pages started rolling in, I was like, oh, you you're going somewhere else with this. Yeah.

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Like, each of these a little bit of inspiration, and he brought it up to, like, 11.

[00:16:43] - [Speaker 3]
Yeah. I think a magical thing about this book is that we all have these relationships where we really understand each other and each other's work. So it just kind of comes together in something that is beyond either any of our capabilities. It just like works. So

[00:17:02] - [Speaker 4]
And we all have I mean, those two, Emilio and Joanna, are both New Yorkers, so they they know the terrain already. And me, I Gotcha. I'm I'm not from New York, but I lived in New York from 1996 to 2023. So I lived in New York longer than I lived in my home in Boston. So I I know the landscape.

[00:17:24] - [Speaker 4]
So it it helps when everyone you can give visual cues to Emilio, and I don't say a word. He knows exactly where that is. He's like, that's junior cheesecake. I took a wine. Like, he knows it all already, and I don't have to say anything to him.

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But please don't try and map out the whole thing when you read it because if we made a mistake, I don't wanna hear it.

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Listen, I actually mapped it out. So feel free. I got you.

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It won't be me. I'm from the South, so you don't have

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to worry about that.

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But all that, all that background, right? Creating Izzy, you get a real strong sense of who they are without needing a whole lot of exposition. You know, it becomes very, very clear. You've got these Easter egg nods to, and I won't give anything away, but there's a murderer's row on the dash. And I was not familiar with Talia, the muhrer Latina.

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Like, that's some serious, like, Gloria Estefan, like, throwback Miami sound machine shit right there. So I don't know who who the fan is there, but I had to look that one up.

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It's been you know what? I don't know at this point. It's just

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Must have been you.

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It was probably, you know what it was? No. No. No. It was Emilio.

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Oh. Emilio because Emilio started in his own stuff. And Emilio's mom, she was a big she was a big Latin school. She worked in a lot of Latin bands back in the days.

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At any time?

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Yeah. She worked with some big name people. And so I think he likes to throw in, you know, a nod to his mom every once in a while.

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Oh, that's sweet.

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Love that.

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[00:19:03] - [Speaker 3]
Yeah.

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That's awesome. Well, you were talking about the influence of film, And so I'm to pick your brain there for a second. You know, keeping people in a scene. Film, you're able to do that by panning. You you just keep the camera longer, right?

[00:19:18] - [Speaker 2]
So you can move the eye, you know, with that movement. Can't do that in comics. So that's one of the things I thought was really well executed just as this setting the stage for that budding relationship. So, so how do you go about doing that? Like, have taught composition with photography.

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That's my background stuff for years, but I'm just, I couldn't quite put my finger on how did Kari pull that off to like keep you in the scene?

[00:19:46] - [Speaker 4]
I think really a lot of it is less about the shots and more about the the body language. Okay. And it's, you know, Joanne provides the blueprint. And so I once she starts giving me the information, I'm like, alright. Clearly, you know, Sydney starts off a little guarded, a little to herself, and and you see her kind of opening up and relaxing over the course of the couple pages that she's in a in a cab ride.

[00:20:19] - [Speaker 4]
And really, it's it's that's the challenge, is to make sure that you show every little nuance, like, you know, a knowing smirk or or a, you know, a glance, and and just making the reader feel comfortable as she's feeling comfortable. And Yeah. And it's it's it's really just getting the body language in the in the character down so that you feel like you're you're a part of this intimate conversation. And once you get that down, you can kinda throw whatever in the background. It's not it's not all that.

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It's just it's just, you know, way of dressing. Got it.

[00:21:00] - [Speaker 2]
Jimmy is too humble to do this. So as his stalwart ride or die, I wanted to tell you about his new graphic novel, Penny and the Yeti with artist Amber Aiken. What started as a comic short with his daughter that I've known about for ages now and it's evolved and has become one of those annoying can't talk about it in comics things for too damn long. Yes. I'm predisposed to be supportive but after reading an advanced copy of it, I have to admit it's way better than I anticipated.

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No shade but it's really good, remarkably so. Does it have a yeti? Yeah. Is it cute and adorable? Yeah.

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But it streak lies in effectively tapping into the all too familiar family dynamics that we all are facing in 2026 and approaching it in a way that doesn't insult the book's target audience. Kids. They are way smarter and perceptive than we adults give them credit for. So I really appreciated Jimmy's narrative approach tapping into his own experiences as a dad and a spouse. I can hear his wife saying, get off your phone, Jimmy, through the pages.

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She's gonna kill me for saying that. It's hitting shelves on April 21, and I dropped the link in the show notes where you can preorder a copy today. Getty or not, here we come with Penny, Perry, Fenton, Maxine, and the magical, mythical, magnificent, Yeti. On behalf of us both, we appreciate your support. Well, let's get to the blueprint.

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Like my takeaway from reading it was this more lighthearted approach to pointing out that oftentimes it's the fault in people that we find most attractive, right? And we find the most endearing. Hopefully, of yours come into conflict as a collective, you know, creative partnership here, question mark, when you're working on a book like this?

[00:22:48] - [Speaker 3]
No. No. I mean, we're very in tune at this point. Like, I know that he gets bored if I give him too much of the same, that I have to do stuff like that. Or are you asking if this echoes our real life?

[00:23:10] - [Speaker 2]
Not at all.

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Would I I'll do be honest though. If I just started murdering men one day, he would be like, alright. I get it. Okay. He would just be like, what are gonna do?

[00:23:29] - [Speaker 3]
I've Good morning.

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Share a dumb shoe. He's like, well, I have plenty of things and also have done things that I might do. That's not cool.

[00:23:37] - [Speaker 3]
You absolutely stand by me. It says I went. Definitely went on a murder spree. But wait. What were you talking about?

[00:23:46] - [Speaker 4]
I mean, look. We both have our, like, unique floristy. We're very different people. Sure. But I think that is kind of why our relationship works, but also as as creatives, that's also why you act like, you know, she does she's very good at character direction.

[00:24:09] - [Speaker 4]
And I think I'm very good at, like, energy and and and creating animated characters. So I think we kind of bounce off. It's a the locals kind of bounce back and forth between all of that. And it also I think it challenges me as an artist because I'm like, alright. I know that Joanne's not gonna fill this book with, you know, a bunch of dudes punching each other for 20 pages.

[00:24:39] - [Speaker 3]
Right.

[00:24:39] - [Speaker 4]
So but so it's like, how can I push myself as an artist to to take the same energy I might take from, you know, that kind of book, but still put it into this and make it just as interesting?

[00:24:52] - [Speaker 3]
Yeah. And like, at the same time, if I was just left to my own devices and nobody had any expectations of me, the whole book would just like take place in a car, you know, with them talking about the things that happened and then an occasional murder montage. Like, there would be a lot less visual variety because I'm happy to write two people sitting in a room talking, like, you know, the whole thing. So I have to think about where do his talent shine? What is he gonna wanna draw?

[00:25:25] - [Speaker 3]
And it really, I think works well for us.

[00:25:30] - [Speaker 2]
Well, blending the kind of these two genres, right? We have horror and we have humor. They have similar types of challenges in the comics medium, you know, analogous beats and all that. So, Joanne, comedy isn't something that's new to you as a writer. So is blending the two at all difficult?

[00:25:47] - [Speaker 2]
Or does it, you know, is it peanut butter and chocolate?

[00:25:50] - [Speaker 3]
I think I put humor into everything I write, especially the darkest stuff, because I feel like you have to be able to laugh at everything or you're never gonna survive. You know, I've got a book coming out about the Holocaust, and there was definitely I put some laughter in there, because I was just like Then, they write, it has to have a side to it, you know, that lets you deal with the darkness that you're absorbing. You have to give people You have to let them have a laugh. But, I will say, I'm actually not a horror fan in general. Like, I don't watch scary movies, because I am a big baby.

[00:26:35] - [Speaker 3]
And I've been asked to write a lot of horror and I think it works for me because I don't know what horror is supposed to be. It's just in my brain, I'm like, what is the thing that's most terrifying? What am I afraid of seeing? Why don't I wanna watch this? And I just roll with that.

[00:26:55] - [Speaker 3]
But yeah, I definitely, I have to let people laugh in there so the tension doesn't build up too much. I will say, in my mind, this book is a musical. Right? Like so Okay. It goes beyond, like, it's like if you could imagine all the guys well, oh god.

[00:27:21] - [Speaker 3]
I can't spoiler it.

[00:27:22] - [Speaker 4]
Don't spoil it. Okay.

[00:27:23] - [Speaker 3]
Well, you're gonna reach a part in the book where you're gonna be like, this could be a thriller music video. Right? Like, there's scenes in here where you're like, I could see how this could be a musical. Like, how this could turn into a dance number. And you're gonna get to see Kari actually draw some dancing in there.

[00:27:42] - [Speaker 4]
Yeah. To me, that's it's you know, the funny thing is, the two of us, I'm the horror buff. And she is not. And I I do feel like Joanne gets asked to rake so much horror, which she does quite a bit of it. She's very good at it because she doesn't like horror.

[00:28:00] - [Speaker 3]
Yeah. It's so scary to me.

[00:28:01] - [Speaker 4]
So she she doesn't fall into Right. Sort of tropes that some people who are, like, big heart boss might fall into.

[00:28:10] - [Speaker 3]
Okay.

[00:28:11] - [Speaker 4]
And it's the same, like, you know, neither one of us is, like, really into, like, gore, for example. And so I don't like drawing it. Does it look to imply it, if if if that makes sense? Sure. So there's plot lots of implied gore in this book.

[00:28:31] - [Speaker 4]
So and, you know, there's there's plenty of blood, but, like, I think some of the fun of it is in what you don't show. You know? It's it's just like one of my favorite horror movies of all time. Well, same. Arguments, but Jaws is, like, one of my favorite movies.

[00:28:46] - [Speaker 4]
And it's it's a monster movie, but you barely see the monster in it. Same with like Alien. It's like, it's it's what you don't show sometimes is what is way more interesting than what you do show.

[00:29:01] - [Speaker 2]
Well, I'll be definitely looking for one glove in

[00:29:04] - [Speaker 3]
there anyway, if we're talking about

[00:29:06] - [Speaker 2]
a thriller homage, so at least we will have that kind of humor.

[00:29:10] - [Speaker 3]
Like that, but

[00:29:11] - [Speaker 4]
There are lots of musical inspir- she's right. It's it's a lot of musical vibes.

[00:29:16] - [Speaker 3]
I don't think this is a spoiler. There is a point where Izzy does the dance from the Backstreet Boys, bye bye bye, and say, get

[00:29:26] - [Speaker 4]
off. Right. Okay. When she

[00:29:28] - [Speaker 3]
does the bye bye bye dance. And so Cardi, like, freeze him it. She can't hit inside

[00:29:35] - [Speaker 4]
and sync more than I ever have in my entire layout just to make sure

[00:29:40] - [Speaker 2]
I'm sorry.

[00:29:40] - [Speaker 4]
Dance. But I mean, plan to it. I was like, maybe I do like this song. It's like, hi, guys.

[00:29:48] - [Speaker 2]
Okay. So I'll I'll reveal one of mine here. It's the like, one of my hidden gem, like, I absolutely love is the Backstreet Boys song where they have the the monsters in they they do a whole monster theme in the video. That they have they're doing this a lot.

[00:30:05] - [Speaker 3]
Clearly, I don't know the difference between Backstreet Boys and NSYNC.

[00:30:10] - [Speaker 4]
And NSYNC. I worked

[00:30:10] - [Speaker 2]
for NSYNC for a while, I have to know the difference.

[00:30:12] - [Speaker 3]
Oh, really? One is the one with the puppet

[00:30:30] - [Speaker 4]
So I was actively trying to avoid it at the time. Sure. And I look back at it and I'm like, you know what? There's some catchy stuff here. It's it's not

[00:30:39] - [Speaker 3]
the worst. I like anything you can dance to.

[00:30:43] - [Speaker 2]
No. I'm I'm totally the same. I'm totally the same. I think it was really weird because it's a surreal experience for me because, you know, it's a, it's a gorilla nature when you're working in, especially in the production and the music. So you end up working with like, Deftones and then Nsync, and it's just very, very strange to try to fit those things together.

[00:31:05] - [Speaker 2]
Well, I want to get into what you, what you don't see, what you were talking about there. You know, we, I don't want get too spoilery, but as a big fan of physical comedy, Jim Varney is absolute king me. Know? Sweet. Okay.

[00:31:18] - [Speaker 2]
I've got another fan, you know, Ernest Goes to Camp, Paratroop Turtles, like the absolute best. It's so good, you know? But you guys nailed some standout physical comedy moments in there. And that's something I don't recall seeing a whole lot, you know, in comics. You know, I'm going to assume at least, you know, you talked about Jim Varney there, the Switzerland trip, you know, Charlie Chaplin Museum.

[00:31:42] - [Speaker 2]
So so tell me about incorporating physical comedy into the comic book.

[00:31:48] - [Speaker 3]
Is that

[00:31:48] - [Speaker 4]
a new question? I'll I'll I'll start out. I mean, it's I think I'm trying to use any tricks I have at this point. Okay. You know, with with with the art, it's it's I'm always ripping off of what Joanne started with, And it's always funny.

[00:32:09] - [Speaker 4]
And I'm always just like, alright. How can I make that 10% more funny? And to me, it's not it's not slapstick per se, but it is like just body language. And so I'm always like, alright. If this preference slumps a little more, is that funnier?

[00:32:32] - [Speaker 4]
Or if it's I'm trying to think specific things from from I'm not trying to spoil too much, but

[00:32:40] - [Speaker 3]
There's the backdrop.

[00:32:41] - [Speaker 4]
There's a Jussie's shooting for sure.

[00:32:44] - [Speaker 3]
When the The body in the bed. Body falls out of the bed. Yeah.

[00:32:49] - [Speaker 4]
And and it's one of those ones, like, when Pierce saw that and they loved it. And I was like, alright.

[00:32:56] - [Speaker 3]
I was

[00:32:57] - [Speaker 4]
like, we got we got it with that one. And I'm really I'm always I'm always drawing everything for Joanne, honestly. And so I'm always like, if I said it to her, like, if she finds it funny or good, then I'm like, alright. I I know I'm on the on the right track.

[00:33:17] - [Speaker 3]
Yeah. And like, the way I write scenes like that, like, I'm very clear. Like, when we see this body, we don't wanna see the gore. Like, this is a comedy moment, you know? Like Yeah.

[00:33:29] - [Speaker 3]
Because it could it could go very wrong. It could go the other way and not be comedy, but I make sure that he knows when something should be funny, you know?

[00:33:37] - [Speaker 4]
So, you know, when you draw the body, it's just like I always just think of, like, when someone falls in Family Guy, it's just like the way they fall on me is like a arm this way and a leg this way. I'm like, that to me is so funny without needing a lot of words. It's just it's just it's there. It's it's it's like Chaplin. It's it's like watching, you know, Chaplin and Buster Keaton, guys like that, who just know just mastery over their bodies and can convey mood without saying a word.

[00:34:12] - [Speaker 4]
I think every every cartoonist should study guys like that because our our job is to tell the story without eating the words on the page, and then, you know, the the the speech in the in the bubbles and everything that Joanne adds at the end is is like, that's, that's the, the re reinforcement of what we're doing in the storytelling.

[00:34:37] - [Speaker 2]
I think that's why your, your art connects to me so much is because coming from the background as a professional photographer, everything that I do is sort of, you know, it's a snapshot. It's a freeze frame. There are obviously no captions to it or anything like that. So that is how I actually read comic books. You know, the successful ones are done.

[00:34:58] - [Speaker 2]
How how can we do this without words? So I try to see everything that without it first, and then I'll pull in, you know, the language for for the extra exposition to kind of fill in the gaps and stuff.

[00:35:10] - [Speaker 3]
So were photographed bands?

[00:35:14] - [Speaker 2]
No. No. Actually, so I got off the road, but promised my mom I would go back to school, finish college. So I did that. So I've been on the road for ten years at that point.

[00:35:27] - [Speaker 2]
Went back to school, got my degree in environmental science and anthropology, met my wife in the process. She was going to grad school. So we did follow her for grad school, was going to get an environmental science job, when we were in Colorado. That didn't pan out because I had all my experience in, guess what, the entertainment business. So I ended up back in that doing, doing it as a technical director there.

[00:35:49] - [Speaker 2]
Our son was on the way. At that time, I'm like, Oh shit. Like, I know what the business is like. The hours are absolutely brutal. So I'm like, I'll just switch careers entirely and go become a professional landscape photographer.

[00:36:02] - [Speaker 2]
So yeah, so that's what I did for a decade, until I developed lupus. That's a whole nother long story. So, not doing it anymore, but like that's, that's the storytelling, you know, for me, that's my root of it. So that's how I interpret, interpret comics and comics kind of were my first visual love. You know, that's probably six when I started with that, but that's a whole other tangent, but we won't get into that.

[00:36:30] - [Speaker 2]
But who are your favorite physical comedians?

[00:36:34] - [Speaker 3]
Oh boy. It's funny, we're doing a New Girl rewatch, and I don't think, most people don't think of like, Jake Johnson as necessarily like, a physical comedian, but oh my god, he does so much with his body.

[00:36:51] - [Speaker 4]
Not just him, everyone of them.

[00:36:52] - [Speaker 3]
Yeah. Oh my god.

[00:36:53] - [Speaker 4]
Schmidt is

[00:36:53] - [Speaker 3]
Schmidt is incredible. Yeah. That's such a good show. But I also Oh my god. I just lost my train of thought.

[00:37:02] - [Speaker 3]
Old. I'm sorry. Oh, people don't don't give him enough credit, but Channing Tatum is an incredible comedian. And like, he has that control of his body because he's like, he could dance, and that guy is so good. So good.

[00:37:21] - [Speaker 3]
I know this is not the classics like Chaplin, but like, oof. I mean, and then obviously the three stooches.

[00:37:29] - [Speaker 4]
Yeah. That's crazy. Sure.

[00:37:30] - [Speaker 3]
Sure. My

[00:37:31] - [Speaker 2]
question, Kari, would you be doing the new girl without Joanne? That's my question. That's, that's really what I want to know.

[00:37:39] - [Speaker 4]
And now that lots of shows on the world that I'd never would have watched about Joanne. And then I want something like, fuck, that's actually Yeah. That's really good. That's that's a really good show. I mean, look.

[00:37:51] - [Speaker 4]
We watch we sit around and watch Real House Smiles every single day.

[00:37:55] - [Speaker 3]
You watch so much reality TV.

[00:37:57] - [Speaker 2]
Really? Okay.

[00:37:58] - [Speaker 4]
Hey. You would you would not believe how much I learned about human interaction from watching these shows. It's just we talk about it all the time. Just like

[00:38:08] - [Speaker 3]
People ask me about, like, you know, when people ask me writing questions about how to, like, develop as a writer, and I'm like, I watch reality TV because you see people from different parts of the world, different parts of the country, different backgrounds from you, and they're constantly in conflict, conflict, which is what you're looking for in storytelling. So you learn about different people, how they speak, how they behave, and how they react to different situations. And it is like better research than anything. It's amazing. Watch The Real Housewives.

[00:38:45] - [Speaker 3]
As far as my

[00:38:46] - [Speaker 4]
language, I honestly, like, I learned everything from Tex Avery cartoons. Like

[00:38:53] - [Speaker 2]
Okay.

[00:38:54] - [Speaker 4]
I can can watch Tex Avery all day. He's like, wow. The way he can control a body through his his work is just incredible. And just a shout out to also Martin Lawrence. I think he's just incredible.

[00:39:12] - [Speaker 4]
Like, I just think that's the funniest man in existence and just

[00:39:15] - [Speaker 3]
So you always wanna watch Black Knight, and you don't wanna

[00:39:17] - [Speaker 4]
Yeah. Knights suck. Well, if you wanna watch the actual show Martin, we'll watch it all day long.

[00:39:25] - [Speaker 2]
Sure. Yeah. Yeah. I love Martin. That's a fantastic show.

[00:39:28] - [Speaker 2]
That's interesting because, to hear you talk about taking reality TV and incorporating that kind of into your work as a study of people. And I guess thinking about it is very interesting because the, I take Traders as an example, something that we end up watching and like the, when they have the celebrities versus what, because we got deep dive in that, you know, we're like Traders Australia and all that kind of stuff. And that's where they're taking normal people. And there's a, there's a vast difference between those two things where it is just people are so used to taking their personalities and amplifying that to just an insane degree with reality

[00:40:11] - [Speaker 3]
TV. And that's comics. It's like you want those kinds of big personalities. You want people who are, have, are fighting with somebody at each other's throats. You want to see what it's like when people are hurt, you know?

[00:40:26] - [Speaker 3]
And it really, it gives us a lot of inspiration.

[00:40:29] - [Speaker 2]
Yeah. Let's talk about amplifying something else here. Geographic physical elements that, you know, you, you talked about New York and you're selling New York and said, there's a lot of ways you can do that. You know, Carrie, you talked about the rain that makes perfect sense. You know, you could have chosen Broadway, but you did not.

[00:40:47] - [Speaker 2]
You chose the Gowanus Canal. Shout out to the Superfund site said, absolutely nobody. You know, lots of trite quotes about how love is able to bloom anywhere, but why there?

[00:41:01] - [Speaker 3]
Well, that was actually something I decided on because we needed somewhere for her to dump the bodies. Right? She can't just be leaving bodies all over the

[00:41:13] - [Speaker 2]
Sure.

[00:41:14] - [Speaker 3]
And because Gwannis' Canal is super fucking toxic, something's gonna happen to those You know, not to be too much of a spoiler, but they're going to be affected by that water, and it becomes, like, a big part of the story. So we really needed something that was just known to be filthy. Right? And it's funny in New York knows that the Gowanus Canal is disgusting. It's got gonorrhea.

[00:41:42] - [Speaker 3]
It's sewage. It's everything is in there. So

[00:41:46] - [Speaker 4]
And and it's it's actually a neighborhood that I know very well.

[00:41:50] - [Speaker 2]
Okay.

[00:41:50] - [Speaker 4]
Because for about ten years, I shared a studio right down the street from the Gowan's Canal with a bunch of cowhawk artists in New York City. So it's just it was something I would walk past every day. Walk past, somehow sensed, be like, this place is fucking disgusting. And so it's just it's like when a place is so amazing that you could smell it before you see it, you know it's a good character.

[00:42:16] - [Speaker 2]
Wow. That that's the visual right there. I went down a rabbit hole about this as, as a southerner, right? I've been to New York many times, but you know, I've, you don't get over into Brooklyn, you know, I'm like in, in Manhattan, you know? And, so I watched a YouTube video about the reclamation project on this, like $2,000,000,000 to clean up what they call black mayonnaise, which is like this toxic mix of coal tar and sewage and chemical waste and whatever.

[00:42:44] - [Speaker 2]
There was, I didn't even realize there were slaughterhouses on that thing too.

[00:42:48] - [Speaker 4]
Yeah.

[00:42:48] - [Speaker 3]
Like that is nasty. It's a very unique body of water. It has a lot of unique properties that are gonna help us in this story.

[00:42:57] - [Speaker 4]
And New York keeps trying to turn it into, like, a hip neighborhood too, and it's like, I saw it, guys. Your million dollar high rises are still overlapping, like, the worst piece of shit place in the world. Sorry.

[00:43:10] - [Speaker 3]
Yeah. It's funny, and this is a little unrelated, but we're seeing all the news out here because with the heat wave, the Danube Canal is drying up. And at the bottom of it is mammoth bones and World War II ships. It just makes me think if the, if the Gowanus dried up, that's not what you would find. You would find dead body in

[00:43:36] - [Speaker 4]
a tank.

[00:43:37] - [Speaker 2]
It's crazy. I think there's like six layers that they're trying to do, because my environmental science degree actually has to do with water resources. So it's really fascinating for me what they're having to do to try to cap this stuff. It's like clay and then sand and then concrete and then more sand, you know, just to try to filter this stuff out. And they've gotten through one of three phases at this point.

[00:44:02] - [Speaker 2]
And they're already discovering, oh wait, we're going to have to go cap that first phase again. Yeah, yeah. Go on us. Yeah. It sounds disgusting.

[00:44:12] - [Speaker 2]
Well, anyway, before I get completely lost on, on a tangent with that stuff, and our government not learning the lessons of history, we'll leave it there. For dinner date, we're talking about FOC as August 31. Is that still what we're talking about?

[00:44:27] - [Speaker 4]
That sounds right. Cool. All right. Yes.

[00:44:30] - [Speaker 2]
Everybody get the preorders in, you know, for what I'm calling, in advance, the best humor oriented comic of 2026. I absolutely loved it. You guys knocked it out of the park with this thing.

[00:44:40] - [Speaker 4]
Thank you.

[00:44:40] - [Speaker 3]
Thank you. And I do want to say, Ignition is a new publisher. They've only been around a year. They're smaller, so you really do have to ask for this book if you want it. Like, you can't assume that your store is going to have multiple copies.

[00:44:55] - [Speaker 3]
So if you're interested, please, please go do that pre

[00:44:59] - [Speaker 2]
I had a friend actually pick up the ash can who was at San Diego. That should illustrate how much I love this book, because I don't think I've ever done that before.

[00:45:09] - [Speaker 3]
Oh, that's a weird thing. Thank you.

[00:45:12] - [Speaker 2]
Absolutely. Well, before I let you go, let's quickly touch on some of the other projects you've got going on. I'd say the biggest one has to be an SCS San Diego announcement, the ongoing Vixen series that you're working on with Stephanie Williams. That's super exciting. Yeah.

[00:45:27] - [Speaker 2]
Yeah. That's that's huge. Right?

[00:45:29] - [Speaker 4]
It's it's it's huge. It's funny because I have been in talks with DC for probably the last six months about doing something over there. It it Okay. It was a few different projects, and it eventually became Vixen. That's what we landed on.

[00:45:49] - [Speaker 4]
And it's it's I've worked with Stephanie before, and so but we've never done, like, a series together. So I'm really just excited to, like, really go with it. She wants to take it some places, and I'm like, let's go. If that's where you wanna go, let's let's make that long. And I'm just excited to really get into her brain more and and and take her vision to the next step as well.

[00:46:20] - [Speaker 4]
And I think people will be really into that. But I I I'm it's it's I wanna hype it up, but I'm also like, I don't wanna I don't wanna people to not get excited about dinner dates. So I'm like, if you did it first Well, you know, go go

[00:46:37] - [Speaker 2]
to the By both.

[00:46:38] - [Speaker 4]
Billion dollar company after, but, you know, let's the indie indie joint first.

[00:46:44] - [Speaker 2]
But the billion dollar company is finally putting out, you know, a a black lead character headlining an ongoing series. And that, that is the real relevance and depth of this because the, you know, we had the recent, you know, DC blackout initiative that was trying to, you know, draw attention to how long it's been. And I think Vixen was originally supposed to be slated as the first ongoing, female superhero, black superhero starring in her own series. That was like 1970 So it's, it's been, been a long time coming.

[00:47:17] - [Speaker 4]
And and just a note about that. When when we're seeing all that stuff on on the Internet, we we had already Lixman was already worth it that point. Had to be.

[00:47:28] - [Speaker 2]
So yeah.

[00:47:29] - [Speaker 4]
I can't tell you how difficult it was to sit there and just keep my mouth shut when everyone's like, sure. We we want this. We want this. And I'm like, guys, we got it. Just hold.

[00:47:40] - [Speaker 4]
We got you. Just give us a minute. I promise you, we've got it. But I guess it helped us, because it created even more of a spotlight on our book now. So now, let's just can make sure we deliver with it.

[00:47:54] - [Speaker 4]
Oh, people can be really No pressure. No pressure.

[00:47:59] - [Speaker 2]
Well, Joanne, what else are you up to? You you mentioned, Streets of Shattered Glass there a little bit, but that's 2027, Yeah. I

[00:48:07] - [Speaker 3]
That's coming out. That's not coming out until summer of next year. Yeah. Because that is a scholastic book for ages nine and up, it's about four kids from different backgrounds living in Vienna in the days leading up to the Holocaust. So it's all the pressures building and how it affects these different children and the friendship that they grow.

[00:48:28] - [Speaker 3]
And that is that's like a 200 page graphic novel with art by Gabo. So I've been working on that one for a long time, decided to finally see it come out. And I am I can't tell you what it is, but I will also have a DC ongoing coming. So if you like me and you like comedy, keep an eye out. Hopefully, that'll be announced around New York Comic Con.

[00:48:56] - [Speaker 3]
Okay. And I'm working on our next Ignition book, although I have no idea when that's gonna come out, but I'm writing it. There will be more from us from Ignition.

[00:49:08] - [Speaker 2]
Awesome. Well, it sounds like an exciting year for you both.

[00:49:11] - [Speaker 4]
Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's, I mean, we're also just getting married.

[00:49:14] - [Speaker 3]
Yeah. But getting married also. Congratulations.

[00:49:18] - [Speaker 4]
But yeah, so that was pretty cool too.

[00:49:22] - [Speaker 3]
Awesome.

[00:49:23] - [Speaker 2]
Well, I always try to wrap up on a high note. So around here we do a shout out. This can be something that inspired you recently or someone that just did you a solid that you would like to thank. And I'll go first to give you a minute to think about it. And Kari, I'll, I'll apologize in advance.

[00:49:37] - [Speaker 2]
I don't want to make assumptions here, but mine is the gratitude for whoever makes the transfer decisions at Boston, and why they wanted Paul George cause we absolutely came out on the better end of that thing. And I am hoping my Sixers kill it this year, make a genuine title run cause we got Jaylen Brown and LeBron. So

[00:49:57] - [Speaker 4]
You know, I spent this season pumping up the Celtics, Celtics doing all this all the way for them, really being like, guys, let's let's bring it home. Let's get that championship. And then they dropped the ball, and then they traded one of the best players of Celtics who've ever had. It it hurts my soul. I don't even wanna talk about it.

[00:50:19] - [Speaker 4]
I don't wanna talk about it.

[00:50:20] - [Speaker 2]
That's fine. I won't I won't I won't rub in the I won't rub the wound. Yeah.

[00:50:23] - [Speaker 4]
I have one with it. Thank

[00:50:27] - [Speaker 2]
you. As long as the Knicks don't win, I don't I don't really care.

[00:50:31] - [Speaker 4]
I'm not sure if

[00:50:32] - [Speaker 2]
they We can't can have the Knicks win.

[00:50:34] - [Speaker 4]
There was something we watched recently.

[00:50:37] - [Speaker 3]
The challenge?

[00:50:38] - [Speaker 4]
Not the challenge. The challenge. I'm all living challenged too. Why are we? Oh God, there was something because it's I'll keep it simple.

[00:50:47] - [Speaker 4]
We finally started watching The Bear full.

[00:50:51] - [Speaker 2]
Okay.

[00:50:51] - [Speaker 4]
And to be honest, I don't I don't love every episode of The Bear. No. But I will say, as a creative person, I love the risks that that show takes. And visually speaking, there's a show that I can just watch all day long because they do a lot of amazing camera work. Some of the some of the the shots they choose, the the visual storytelling is just phenomenal.

[00:51:22] - [Speaker 4]
So I know I'm super late with this, but I'm glad that show exists, and it has inspired me quite a bit lately.

[00:51:30] - [Speaker 3]
Was it Spider Man? It was inspired. Spread you about

[00:51:33] - [Speaker 4]
Was it was a show, but I I might think of it later.

[00:51:36] - [Speaker 3]
Don't know. I like the bear, but I think it's a little self indulgent. It is. Yeah. Is.

[00:51:42] - [Speaker 3]
Should I I'm just gonna give shout outs to, like, the people that I love that have been influential to my career, I guess. Which would be Jimmy Palmiotti and Amanda Connor, who were, my first people in comics, and Amanda definitely taught me that you can be weird and funny, and still be a woman, and you know, get your stuff out and get respect. Andrea Shay, who is the best editor at DC Comics, Apologies to all the other editors at DC Comics, but she let me write Fire and Ice, and do every kind of weird thing with it. And, of course, the guys at dinner date Ignition, who let us do dinner date, because the guys at Ignition are so open to weird ideas. Jamie Rich just rolls with everything that I do.

[00:52:36] - [Speaker 4]
The list gets away with probably too much.

[00:52:38] - [Speaker 3]
Too much. This is gonna be a really weird book, and you're gonna be like, who let her do this? But also, I'm the person who wrote the Harley Quinn Fartacular so they knew what they were getting. So and shout out to Maureen J. Evans for making DC comics fun again and letting me do the Vartacular.

[00:52:57] - [Speaker 3]
So there you go.

[00:52:58] - [Speaker 2]
I love that. Yeah. It's comics is we had a great time. I was talking to Philip Kennedy Johnson about Midnight Spider Man last week, and some of the they just seeing, I think it was bleeding cool that broke the pages on that. And that looks wild.

[00:53:13] - [Speaker 2]
I have never seen a Marvel book that looks anything close to this. So publishers, I think, are recognizing that, I don't know, maybe it's your freak, let your freak flag fly or, you know, Right. Whatever, but You know, we've gotten to the point with, with major publishers now where they're willing to do it. And I think it's the medium's all the better for it, for sure.

[00:53:34] - [Speaker 4]
Yeah. Let the creators create, man. Just let us do our thing. We'll we'll give you some gold.

[00:53:39] - [Speaker 2]
Yeah. Cool. Well, Kari and Joanne, thanks for hanging out with me today. You've managed to convince me that rom com type of place on my shelf, and that is no small feat. So nice work.

[00:53:50] - [Speaker 3]
So thank you.

[00:53:52] - [Speaker 2]
Absolutely. Well, this is Byron O'Neil. And on behalf of all of us at Comic Book Yeti, thanks for tuning in, and we will see you next time. Take care, everybody. Peace.

[00:54:00] - [Speaker 2]
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