Jeremy Adams Interview - Green Lantern & Aquaman

[00:00:00] Your ears do not deceive you. You've just entered the Cryptid Creator Corner brought to you by your friends at Comic Book Yeti. So without further ado, let's get on to the interview.

[00:00:10] Hey everyone, this is...

[00:00:13] Hi Byron.

[00:00:14] Who is this?

[00:00:15] I'm your fairy godmother.

[00:00:17] I have a fairy godmother?

[00:00:18] Of course you do.

[00:00:20] I'm 50 years old, why haven't you shown up before?

[00:00:22] I appear when I'm needed.

[00:00:24] And I didn't need you in all these years?

[00:00:27] Do you want my help or not?

[00:00:29] Um...

[00:00:30] Sure.

[00:00:31] Exactly.

[00:00:32] I was just about to pitch our Patreon. Why would I need help with that?

[00:00:36] Because you're an idiot sometimes.

[00:00:38] That's hurtful.

[00:00:40] What were you going to put on there?

[00:00:42] We do comic stuff? So something along those lines?

[00:00:45] And this is why I'm here. You do know what people put on Patreon most of the time, right?

[00:00:52] Honestly, no.

[00:00:54] People need something a little bit spicy to entice them to support you.

[00:00:59] Nobody wants to see me shirtless.

[00:01:01] I doubt that's true. You are in pretty good shape considering your age.

[00:01:06] Thank you. Let's see. A little spicy. I've been bugging Jimmy to figure out what he's going to do.

[00:01:12] I know lately he's been playing around with his **** all the time.

[00:01:16] He loves to take it out and show it off. There's even a specific TikTok channel now. How's that sound?

[00:01:21] Not a bad start. People like Jimmy. What else you got?

[00:01:24] I told a story recently about being in a strip club with some of the four horsemen when I was working for WCW back in the day.

[00:01:30] I picked up an infection on my-

[00:01:32] Woo!

[00:01:33] From the experience, I hate strip clubs. Is that better?

[00:01:37] Getting there. But maybe spicy shouldn't include infections you get in strip clubs.

[00:01:42] That's not sexy. We'll workshop it.

[00:01:46] Like I need more meating.

[00:01:47] At least tell them where to find it while we figure this out. Mother goddess, help this poor man.

[00:01:53] You can find us on Patreon at Cryptid Creator Corner Pod. I'll put it in the show notes.

[00:01:58] Anything else you'd like to remind me that I'm bad at?

[00:02:01] How much time do you have?

[00:02:03] Why do you look like Rosario Dawson anyway?

[00:02:05] I appear the way you want me to look.

[00:02:07] Okay, that's disturbing. Wait, have you been showing up in my dreams?

[00:02:12] I'll never tell.

[00:02:14] And we're done here.

[00:02:16] Y'all, Jimmy the Chaos Goblin strikes again.

[00:02:20] I should have known better than to mention I was working on my DC Universe meets Ravenloft hybrid D&D campaign on social media.

[00:02:27] My bad.

[00:02:28] He goes and tags a bunch of comics creators we know, and now I have to get it in gear

[00:02:32] and whip this campaign into shape so we can start playing.

[00:02:35] Another friend chimes in, are you going to make maps?

[00:02:38] It's fair to say it's been a while since I put something together, so I guess, question mark?

[00:02:43] It was then that I discovered Arkhamforge.

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[00:03:04] Now I'm set to easily build high-res animated maps, saving myself precious time and significantly adding nuance to our campaign.

[00:03:12] That's a win every day in my book.

[00:03:14] Check them out at arkhamforge.com and use the discount code YETI5 to get $5 off.

[00:03:20] I'll drop a link in the show notes for you.

[00:03:22] And big thanks to Arkhamforge for partnering with our show.

[00:03:25] I think I'm going to make Jimmy play a goblin warlock just to get even.

[00:03:30] Hello, and welcome to Comic Book Yeti's Cryptid Creator Corner.

[00:03:32] I am one of your hosts, Jimmy Gasparro.

[00:03:35] And I'm very excited tonight because as I continue recording these episodes for the DC December,

[00:03:41] as we venture into some of DC comics that have recently come out and will be coming out as we go into 2025,

[00:03:48] I have a writer who's returning to the podcast.

[00:03:51] I'm super excited to talk to him.

[00:03:54] He was on here before talking about Flash Gordon.

[00:03:57] Now we're going to talk about a different Flash.

[00:04:00] But please welcome to the podcast or welcome back to the podcast.

[00:04:05] Jeremy Adams.

[00:04:05] Jeremy, how you doing?

[00:04:06] Hey, hey.

[00:04:08] I'm doing good.

[00:04:09] Great.

[00:04:10] Yeah.

[00:04:10] So I'm very excited to talk to you.

[00:04:12] I really enjoyed your Flash run.

[00:04:16] Thank you.

[00:04:17] And I mean, to start off, I and I think anytime I have a writer on here who's done indie stuff,

[00:04:23] but also, you know, writes for the big two, I'm just always amazed.

[00:04:28] It just seems like the most daunting task out of any writing in comic books.

[00:04:35] You know, I don't know if that's true or not, having never written for Marvel or DC,

[00:04:40] but you have to, you know, not only just come up with your story and work with the artist like you would in any collaboration or creator owned comic.

[00:04:49] You have to deal with, you know, decades of lore possibly or continuity.

[00:04:56] You have to fit in in the last story.

[00:04:59] You have to work with editorial in terms of where the story is going to go.

[00:05:03] And if like the job is getting handed off to somebody else eventually.

[00:05:07] Right.

[00:05:08] Right.

[00:05:08] Right.

[00:05:08] Right.

[00:05:09] I mean, it, how, I guess just like, how do you go about when you kind of get tapped to, to take on something like, like the Flash?

[00:05:20] And I know you had done some DC work before, but when you, when you're, you, you get to do like what could potentially be a longer run with Flash and, you know, now with Green Lantern and then moving into like Aquaman.

[00:05:33] Like how, how do you approach that initially when you get that opportunity?

[00:05:39] Well, I mean, this is the thing, like I had been doing film and television.

[00:05:43] Right. And that was, that's my big, that's where I, I made my career is in, especially in animation.

[00:05:50] And because I had done so much Warner Brothers animation, I was put on a list.

[00:05:53] It was doing this whole 5G thing.

[00:05:55] So I'd never done comics.

[00:05:58] I'd always wanted to do comics.

[00:06:00] Cause that was like my, the love, the passion as a kid.

[00:06:02] And my dad had drawn some comics.

[00:06:04] So I had, there was a little bit of like, um, not only just the love of it, but also stick it to them.

[00:06:13] So, you know, uh, when they finally, they put my name on this list and I went in, um, and I'm pitching and I think this is it.

[00:06:22] Oh my gosh, I'm going to get it.

[00:06:24] I'm finally going to get to do a comic book.

[00:06:26] And I think I was working on the show supernatural at the time.

[00:06:29] Yeah. Sure.

[00:06:29] Oh my gosh. I'm going to be able to get a comic book.

[00:06:32] And then, uh, you know, uh, Dan didio got let go AT&T imploded.

[00:06:38] And I thought, oh man, I was so close, but my name was still on the list.

[00:06:43] And then they asked me to do a couple of shorts because they had changed 5g into future state.

[00:06:47] And I had done two backups.

[00:06:49] One of Philip Kennedy Johnson's future state, uh, Superman world of war.

[00:06:53] And the other one was, uh, in a suicide squad right by Robbie Thompson.

[00:06:58] And that's, that was, that one was really my first one.

[00:07:02] My editor at the time was Mike cotton.

[00:07:04] Name was on a list.

[00:07:05] I think he, I think he asked my friend, Tim Sheridan about, Hey, there's some people on this list.

[00:07:10] And he's like, Oh, Jeremy's great.

[00:07:11] And so I did that backup where I introduced gold beetle and all this stuff.

[00:07:15] And I was just like, they let me make a character.

[00:07:19] Like I was just flabbergasted.

[00:07:21] And then afterwards he said, you know, I was not the first person that came to about the flash.

[00:07:28] I'm sure I wasn't the second person.

[00:07:30] I probably wasn't even the third, but he said, Hey, you have any ideas for the flash?

[00:07:34] And I'm like, bro, I'm a nerd of a certain age.

[00:07:39] I've got an idea for everything, you know?

[00:07:42] And I kind of pitched to this quantum leap and he just cried for a second.

[00:07:45] And he goes, well, that's better than what we got.

[00:07:47] So you get to take over the flash.

[00:07:49] And it wasn't, there was no indication it would last long.

[00:07:53] There was, if anything, I was told upfront, you'll be lucky if you get 12 issues.

[00:07:59] That was kind of like what they said.

[00:08:01] They said, usually we change creative teams after 12 issues.

[00:08:05] And, but I, I very early on, you know, there's a, there's a certain amount of like self-loathing and you know, this, this lack of self-confidence that writers had, but there's also a bit of an ego there too.

[00:08:20] And, um, I was doing this thing and I was, I was super excited about it.

[00:08:24] And I started working toward kind of retconning Wally.

[00:08:28] And I was also thinking in my head, I want to, and I said it, I said it once we were having, when we're doing Flashpoint beyond with Tim and Jeff.

[00:08:39] And I said, I really want to get to issue 800.

[00:08:42] That was my goal.

[00:08:43] I said, I really want to get to issue 800.

[00:08:45] And they, and, and I got chastised.

[00:08:48] It was like, you know, it's not going to happen.

[00:08:51] Oh wow.

[00:08:52] Yeah.

[00:08:52] It was kind of like, it was like, it was like, don't get, don't get over your skis buddy.

[00:08:57] And, um, but it kept going and fans seemed to respond to it.

[00:09:03] And I was just having a great time and it helped that, uh, the parent company kept shuffling.

[00:09:09] Like it kept getting bought out.

[00:09:11] People were getting fired.

[00:09:12] And I'm just this knucklehead nerd that's turning things in on time.

[00:09:16] And I think because I turned things in on time, there was a level of, uh, we don't have to worry about, you know, there are other books we can worry about.

[00:09:25] This guy's turning it in on time.

[00:09:27] Fans seem to like it.

[00:09:28] And so they just kept me on.

[00:09:30] Yeah.

[00:09:30] Then I got, then I got really, you know, uh, invested in it.

[00:09:35] So when they asked me to move off of it, I was devastated.

[00:09:38] I was pretty, I was really sad about it.

[00:09:40] Um, I was really sad because I, I, the first thing I said was, are the kids going to be okay?

[00:09:46] Like, cause I was so invested in Wally's kids.

[00:09:50] Yeah.

[00:09:50] Maxie.

[00:09:51] Well, I mean, look, as a comic fan myself and, um, you know, my, my growing up, I, my younger brother and I, uh, Bobby, um, I was always a Green Lantern fan.

[00:10:04] He was a fan of the flash and I've had different favorite Green Lanterns.

[00:10:07] He was always more of a, a Barry Allen guy.

[00:10:10] Um, yeah, but you know, he, he, I would collect Green Lantern.

[00:10:15] He would collect the flash and you know, I look there, they're comic books, right?

[00:10:21] I try not to be somebody I'm 45 years old.

[00:10:23] I try not to be somebody who's like screaming about characters on the internet, let them tell the story.

[00:10:28] But I will say that like when they, when in the continuity, when like Wally went away and then kind of came back and I guess it made for some good storytelling.

[00:10:40] Like he didn't have like his family or everything, but I was just like, to me as an, you know, and as an older person with like two kids, like, I always think like that was, that was more interesting storytelling as like an adult.

[00:10:54] Like, yeah.

[00:10:55] Like how does, how does somebody do that?

[00:10:57] How does, how does Wally deal with these things?

[00:10:59] Like, oh, and like have, you know, a wife and, and a family.

[00:11:04] Um, yeah.

[00:11:05] And, and I thought that was interesting because like nobody else was doing it.

[00:11:09] Yeah.

[00:11:10] In the DC universe, nobody was really doing it.

[00:11:12] It was like, here's the most well-adjusted superhero that has gone through absolute trauma.

[00:11:17] But I would back to your first question.

[00:11:20] I was just saying like, how do I do it?

[00:11:22] I didn't know how to do it.

[00:11:23] That was it.

[00:11:24] That was like me just learning on the job.

[00:11:26] I was just a huge fan and diving into continuity and diving into the history and trying to, to fill holes and just, you know, make these characters come alive for me.

[00:11:37] Like I very blessed because I, oftentimes I, I'm the first person that gets to experience these stories and they're not so much me going like, I'm not a careful planner.

[00:11:47] You know, I kind of have like, Oh, wouldn't this be cool?

[00:11:50] Or wouldn't this be cool that I try to like piece it together a little bit.

[00:11:54] Yeah.

[00:11:54] And, um, but working for the big two, I mean, that's all I've known really.

[00:11:59] Yeah.

[00:11:59] I did flash Gordon, but that, that came after, you know, that's from mad cave and it's still a big, you know, kind of IP.

[00:12:08] But, but all I know is the big two.

[00:12:10] I want to do more trade your own and indie stuff.

[00:12:13] But right now there's a little bit of the golden handcuffs.

[00:12:16] Like I'm not going to stop.

[00:12:18] Cause they've let me in the door.

[00:12:19] These fools.

[00:12:20] Right.

[00:12:20] You know what I mean?

[00:12:21] Oh yeah.

[00:12:23] You're letting me write green lantern.

[00:12:24] And now Aquaman.

[00:12:25] And like, I'm like, and I'm always gunning for the Batman, some Batman title.

[00:12:30] You've got 12 Batman titles.

[00:12:32] Just give me one.

[00:12:32] Yeah.

[00:12:33] It doesn't even have to be the main one.

[00:12:35] Like what do you got?

[00:12:36] What do you got floating around?

[00:12:37] It could be like the sort of tales of the dark night in the shadow, you know, it's like, I'm in whatever.

[00:12:43] Give me, give me something.

[00:12:44] But yeah, I, you know, I'm having a blast.

[00:12:47] And with like, with the flash, I was able to, I think it was more conducive to doing a lot of weird, wild things.

[00:12:53] I could do like a one off or two, two, one offs, you know, whereas with green lantern right now is it presented an interesting challenge because Jeff Thorne's run ended and there was a lot of like loose threads.

[00:13:07] And I found myself and it was funny because, you know, my editor was just like, just write a paragraph that says everything went back to normal.

[00:13:14] No, bro.

[00:13:15] Like I'm a nerd.

[00:13:16] Like, I'm a nerd.

[00:13:18] Like, my story is going to be about the loose threads.

[00:13:23] Like, I want to take that in.

[00:13:24] I, I love that.

[00:13:26] I know.

[00:13:27] I know for a fact there's some people that other writers that hate that they hate having to deal with the continuity before it.

[00:13:35] But I, it, to me, it presents not just a challenge, but a wonderful opportunity because that's what's so cool about comics to me is it is a continuous story.

[00:13:45] When I read the X-Men, it was fairly seamless growing up.

[00:13:49] It seemed like a writer change and just like, you know, they, they were continuing the story.

[00:13:54] And I think that's a cool, that's a cool way to go.

[00:13:57] So when, when the, you know, John split himself in two and the Green Lantern core or Green Lantern, the John Sturgeon Green Lantern series, and he made this giant source ball and I had no idea what it was.

[00:14:10] No one had any idea what it was.

[00:14:12] There was a lantern that changed colors.

[00:14:13] And I'm like, what could this be?

[00:14:15] And that, that propelled my story in a way.

[00:14:19] Um, so I love it.

[00:14:21] I love it when somebody gives me, and by the way.

[00:14:25] Uh, getting a character that hasn't been around for a little bit like with Wally, Wally hadn't been the main flash for long.

[00:14:32] And, uh, what a thrill, what a, what a real blessing for me to be able to be the guy who gets to write about Wally.

[00:14:39] And the same thing with how how hadn't been the center of the Green Lantern book for a long time.

[00:14:44] So being able to like, bring, uh, you know, Wally back, I mean, uh, how back on earth and, and do that has been so much fun too.

[00:14:55] And then with Aquaman, it's the same thing.

[00:14:57] I mean, I'm nervous because it's like, I, you know, Aquaman is hard.

[00:15:03] I mean, I, I feel like it's a hard character because I don't know how many people are like, yeah, Aquaman.

[00:15:08] There are some trust me, but, but I really want to make it a book that people enjoy.

[00:15:12] And I'm absolutely, every time I turn in a script, I'm just like, terrified, a, that no one will like it be that I'm going to get in a fight with my editor.

[00:15:23] You know, and I'm just, I'm just having fun and trying to do the best I can.

[00:15:28] And, and you know, they're like, they'll let me play with a lot of characters.

[00:15:32] Like, you know, I'll be like, well, what's happening with this character?

[00:15:35] Like there's a, in, I think one of the absolute power tie-ins that I did, I was like, well, what are you doing with Hawk and Dove right now?

[00:15:43] Can I just use Dove for a minute? And they're like, yeah, absolutely.

[00:15:46] I'm like, right.

[00:15:47] Yeah.

[00:15:48] And then what's terrible, what's absolutely terrible.

[00:15:50] And this is totally unfair to every reader is that I immediately start thinking of a story that, that is going on with Dove.

[00:16:00] And so I'll put a line.

[00:16:02] It's like, you know, after what happened to Hank and people are like, well, what happened to Hank?

[00:16:07] I'm like, yeah, I know.

[00:16:09] I have this whole other story that's going on.

[00:16:11] I don't even have that book.

[00:16:12] I don't even have the, there's no, nobody even saying like, Hey, you want to do a Hawk?

[00:16:17] I can, nobody saying that, but in my head, I've got another story going on.

[00:16:21] I've got a story with like, somebody mentioned the other day, like, Hey, why does the unseen

[00:16:26] and Oh, I keep talking about the star heart.

[00:16:29] I'm like, I know why, you know, it's terrible.

[00:16:32] It's terrible because I've got all these other stories in my head that someday I hope to exploit, but I love, I love, uh, planting Easter

[00:16:41] eggs and getting like really astute readers are like, wait, what was that?

[00:16:46] Like, wait, what was that?

[00:16:48] Like, get you excited about it.

[00:16:49] And I'm generally somebody that I'll keep bringing stuff back.

[00:16:53] Like I am terrible.

[00:16:55] I, nothing's wasted.

[00:16:56] I'm like, all right.

[00:16:58] Remember 12 issues ago.

[00:16:59] Time to pay it off guys.

[00:17:01] But see, I, I, I love that.

[00:17:03] I mean, I'm kind of, I mean, look, I'm up, I'm of two minds about, about continuity.

[00:17:07] I don't think continuity should ever stand in the way of a good story, but also when you can do things like that, when you can mention something in issue two and bring it back.

[00:17:17] However many issues later, like, you know, so that you can, you know, astute readers can pick up on that and be excited about it.

[00:17:25] I, I mean, I, I do love that too.

[00:17:27] And especially, you know, Green Lantern in particular, how Jordan's history and since rebirth and he came back all the different like iterations and the different things that have been done.

[00:17:40] It, it, it almost seems like, you know, a writer would be hard pressed to be like, all right, well, what, what hasn't how on the Green Lantern Corps and been Green Lantern Corps been through?

[00:17:52] I mean, they, they almost, they got, you know, there was the, the war of the first lantern and then like the third army, I think they were called.

[00:17:59] And then they, they broke through the source wall and then there was relic and like all these different things.

[00:18:05] But when I started your run and Hal's, you know, or the recent run and Hal's, you know, back on earth again after everything from like, from dark crisis.

[00:18:18] I, I really, I, I don't always like when they reset things, you know, so we can have a younger character.

[00:18:26] Like, I feel like Hal has been through this stuff.

[00:18:29] There is that history.

[00:18:31] Um, I love the scene with him and Barry investigating, you know, Ferris, uh, air when Sinestro shows up.

[00:18:40] Like there's just so many really great moments that I feel like, oh, these characters, they, they have been around.

[00:18:45] They, they still have that camaraderie and friendship.

[00:18:48] And, um, those moments I felt were really.

[00:18:52] Like exciting to read and to, to see.

[00:18:55] Um, and not to mention the fact that you get to play with all these other, you know, as the issue goes on and readers will see, you get to play with all these other different characters and start to.

[00:19:06] Right.

[00:19:07] You know, I think introduce these new elements with what's coming in January is the, is it the, the fractal lanterns?

[00:19:14] Yeah.

[00:19:14] Yeah.

[00:19:15] Yeah.

[00:19:15] For the fractured spectrum.

[00:19:17] Yeah.

[00:19:17] And we've kind of, we've kind of seen some of that with, uh, the appearance of Carol's ex fiance and, um, and start making sense of some of the stuff going on in the universe.

[00:19:31] But, you know, you never close off a story.

[00:19:34] You're it's like the story's ending, but there's another story behind it.

[00:19:37] Right.

[00:19:37] Yeah.

[00:19:38] And, um, but I agree with you with the Barry how thing to me, when I first started at DC, there was, there was the Monica, the Monica, it was like, Hey, uh, everything that's happened happened.

[00:19:51] That was kind of what they told me.

[00:19:52] I was like, well, that doesn't make sense.

[00:19:54] But you kind of like, you kind of pick your, you know, the, the greatest hits and for how, especially, um, like you said, there's all that stuff.

[00:20:03] And I don't see why we need to sweep it under the rug.

[00:20:06] I think it's kind of an interesting thing to keep going.

[00:20:08] I, I will say that.

[00:20:11] I think what's, what's really interesting to me is that you have all the silver age stuff.

[00:20:15] You have all of the, um, uh, the bronze age stuff, but really the next big shockwave is when Jeff, you know, Jeff Johns reinvented that character and reinvented the mythology.

[00:20:30] Oh yeah.

[00:20:32] I think will permeate the character until the end of time.

[00:20:35] And, and so, uh, you know, obviously I, I feel like that, that was when I were reading it really heavily.

[00:20:42] Yeah.

[00:20:43] So obviously I think my run is heavily influenced by the mythology that was set up there.

[00:20:48] Yeah.

[00:20:48] Um, but also I'm also trying to move a different direction when everybody else moves this direction.

[00:20:56] So I was doing WALL-E and it was a family book and it was, you know, it's becoming fantastic for at a certain point.

[00:21:03] And that was because there was nobody doing that.

[00:21:06] Yeah.

[00:21:06] Like everything, everybody, it was kind of like, you know, it wasn't.

[00:21:11] And then I don't think because of me, but like when I left that book, it was like the super family was huge.

[00:21:17] You know, Green Arrow's family was back.

[00:21:19] You know, it was, there was a lot of families suddenly and everybody was also focused on legacy characters.

[00:21:26] Like Nightwing was leading the Titans.

[00:21:27] And I thought this is interesting now because I'm now writing a character that's not a legacy character.

[00:21:35] Not really, you know?

[00:21:36] And, and so having that discussion with Barry is more of, Hey, look at us.

[00:21:43] We're getting older, but these guys are now stepping into their own as heroes.

[00:21:47] So where does that leave us?

[00:21:49] And with how, especially because he's this kind of like delayed adolescence, you know, it's like, Hey buddy, you've got this girl there that you keep leaving.

[00:21:59] And, you know, you love her.

[00:22:01] And, um, I, I mean, I was a little older when I got married and stuff because I was a knucklehead, you know?

[00:22:09] And I, I, I just, I just, I just feel like I could commiserate with, you know, it's kind of time to put some of those, because I don't know, part of the, part of the reason I was writing it that way was this guy probably had no money in his bank account.

[00:22:25] The idea that like, no one needs a test pilot anymore because no one's going to be making jets anymore.

[00:22:30] You know, it's all going to be drones.

[00:22:32] It's all going to, that's the, that's the way it is.

[00:22:34] So fundamentally that character is going to change.

[00:22:37] Um, and what does that mean for the character?

[00:22:40] And so his whole world's changing.

[00:22:42] And, um, anyways, it was fun because I felt like you get to put a little bit of more, more maturity on how in a way that he doesn't necessarily, he's never really had.

[00:22:53] He's a leader when it comes to his like role as a green lantern, but his personal life is kind of a mess generally.

[00:23:00] But it's been fun to explore and kind of think about, Oh, maybe he's maturing.

[00:23:04] Maybe some of that wisdom he's gleaned, you know, this guy's died, you know, in the specter business, didn't that, you know, I think it's interesting.

[00:23:13] I think it makes for an interesting character who's still willful and still a little arrogant, but.

[00:23:19] I don't know.

[00:23:20] I like exploring a little bit of that maturity, even though, you know, the entire universe is melting down right now in, uh, in the green lantern core.

[00:23:28] So I, I, well, I really like it.

[00:23:31] And then just to touch on something you said earlier, I mean, I was, I think I was, I was a way, you know, I liked comics as a kid.

[00:23:37] And then through school and high school, college, even law school, I got away from it.

[00:23:43] And it was, it was actually, I, I went to like a, just happened to go to a convention in, in, in Philly just for something to do.

[00:23:52] And I saw all the ads and like merch for like blackest night.

[00:23:58] And I was like, well, what is this?

[00:24:00] Like, this looks neat.

[00:24:02] And I was like, Oh, I always liked the green lantern.

[00:24:04] And then I, I, I went and bought like all the, the hard cup, the whole, the collected hard covers of blackest night.

[00:24:11] Of course I had to sit there reading them with like the internet open.

[00:24:15] Cause I didn't know who like 75% of the characters were.

[00:24:18] YouTube ketchup videos.

[00:24:21] Yeah.

[00:24:21] I tried to figure out, I really liked it, but then I went back and I started reading like all the stuff that I.

[00:24:27] I, you know, had, had, had missed out on most of it.

[00:24:32] Um, yeah.

[00:24:33] And then I got back to reading it.

[00:24:34] I have DC infinite and Marvel and limited just for that because there are huge gaps because exactly like you, like I, I came out here.

[00:24:43] I came out to LA after I graduated.

[00:24:45] I had no money.

[00:24:46] I couldn't spend it on comics.

[00:24:48] And, um, and then there was a moment where I had money and I was just like, Oh my gosh, it was like during the countdown to new 52 and all that stuff.

[00:24:56] And I was just like, this is so awesome.

[00:24:58] And I was buying everything.

[00:25:01] And it was like DC was doing that.

[00:25:03] And Marvel was doing, uh, I think it was, it was civil war.

[00:25:07] And I, I just, I was like, this is effing awesome.

[00:25:09] Yeah.

[00:25:10] And then I was buying everything.

[00:25:12] Just spending gobs of money, you know, that I didn't really have.

[00:25:15] Uh, and then, uh, and then, uh, there was like, it was like a two or three year run.

[00:25:21] It was just like, everybody was knocking out of the park as far as I was concerned.

[00:25:25] And then, um, and then life got, you know, and then you dip out.

[00:25:30] But I'm, I feel like there's, it's a real exciting time at DC right now.

[00:25:35] Uh, there's a lot of Marvel stuff I dig, but it's like it, Marvel's a little more impenetrable for me as a fan.

[00:25:41] Like it's hard to figure out where to read and what to start.

[00:25:44] And I'm not sure.

[00:25:45] And they keep doing number one.

[00:25:47] So I'm not sure which number one this is and what version of continuity.

[00:25:51] DC, I, I'm appreciative because I've started in some of the books, they have the legacy issue numbering, which I really like.

[00:25:59] But also like, uh, I feel like there's concerted effort between a lot of writers to try to keep, you know, try to keep the continuity going and talk to each other.

[00:26:10] And then I, I am the luckiest SOB because I get to work with like these freaking phenomenal artists that, um, you know, sometimes they get lost in the shuffle talking about these stories and stuff.

[00:26:23] But to me, like Zermanico on, on Green Lantern, he's undeniable.

[00:26:28] Like he makes fantastic.

[00:26:30] Yeah.

[00:26:30] He's, he's so cinematic.

[00:26:31] He's so good.

[00:26:33] And, um, I'm constantly like, what do you want to draw, man?

[00:26:37] Like, I want to keep you happy, bro.

[00:26:39] You know, and there's a whole thing with like the, the, the power battery and it's like in his hometown.

[00:26:46] I'm like, yeah, let's put it in there.

[00:26:47] You know, I, I'm all about, I'm all about stuff like that.

[00:26:50] Same with Will on Flash Gordon.

[00:26:52] I'm like, bro, what do you want to, what do you want to draw?

[00:26:53] He's like dinosaurs.

[00:26:54] I'm like dinosaur guards.

[00:26:56] Let's go.

[00:26:56] You know, I'm, I'm constantly doing that.

[00:26:58] I'm doing that with John Timms.

[00:26:59] Like, what can I help?

[00:27:00] And Fernando Passerin, who, um, he is so excited to do Green Lantern Corps that he's just like,

[00:27:08] whatever you want to do.

[00:27:09] I'm like, no, Fernando, like you're my man.

[00:27:11] Like, what do you want to do?

[00:27:13] You know?

[00:27:14] So it's been great.

[00:27:15] It's been great to like work with these guys that just, there's so much better than my stupid words.

[00:27:22] So it's like, it's, it's such a thrill because there's, there's such a, I said this before, but you know, I'm, I'm superficial.

[00:27:31] If I, I, even if I hear a book is really, really good and I open it and the art sucks.

[00:27:38] I don't know if I'll keep reading.

[00:27:40] Like I'm very, I'm superficial like that, you know?

[00:27:43] No, it's, I get it.

[00:27:45] Oh, it's so great that.

[00:27:48] But, you know, I know they're going to steal them from me at some point and I'll cry and cry, but I'm really grateful.

[00:27:56] I'm really, really grateful.

[00:27:58] All right.

[00:27:58] Let's take a quick break.

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[00:30:23] Yeah, the artwork in terms of, because I think you worked with a few different folks, but I mean, the artwork in Flash, and I've just, like I said, I've gotten through Volume 1.

[00:30:35] I really loved it, so I'll get Volume 2.

[00:30:39] Yeah, but I read the Civil Corps one shot, and I mean, I could pick up what was happening, what was going on.

[00:30:47] I love, I love.

[00:30:48] Well, it helps because you did all the fill-up stuff, you know.

[00:30:51] Philip and I were for a long time.

[00:30:52] Yeah, I know the War Journal stuff from Jon Stewart, so yeah.

[00:30:58] Yeah, I mean, there was a big conversation when Philip and I were talking a lot, and I'm just very much like, you can't, you know, you just did a big run.

[00:31:08] Like, we can't just leave that stuff.

[00:31:10] Yeah.

[00:31:10] You know, and so it's kind of crazy, because people that were just reading Green Lantern are probably like, what is happening?

[00:31:18] You know, he's got a construct of his dead sister and like the soul of his mom and a ring and Dark Star Ring.

[00:31:26] Like, if you weren't reading it, you're like, what is happening, you know?

[00:31:29] Yeah.

[00:31:29] It is a lot, but I mean, it's a lot.

[00:31:33] I love seeing the scenes of everybody, like some of the Lanterns together.

[00:31:38] You know, there's a couple of moments in the Civil Corps, there's, you know, with Jon and Hal and Guy and Shepard.

[00:31:48] And I really love all that stuff.

[00:31:50] So to see, like, to think that we're getting a Green Lantern Corps book and it's going to have, and, you know, some of the other Lanterns like Joe Mullen and Jessica Cruz, I think has become my new favorite Lantern.

[00:32:07] I love whenever she shows up, so I'm excited to have her back.

[00:32:12] I think she's cool.

[00:32:13] I think what's hard is, you know, fandom's hard because their expectation is that every Lantern, like, you know, this is what I hear.

[00:32:23] It's like, there's too many Earth Lanterns, but you better give everyone, you know, enough time.

[00:32:31] And then also some aliens.

[00:32:33] And you're like, you know, so I think what Morgan and I have thought of is like, we're doing these like mini arcs that the A story is concentrating on.

[00:32:43] You know, John and the B story will concentrate on, you know, Guy or whatever.

[00:32:49] And then we'll flip it and we'll go, OK, well, this one's about Baz and Kelly, maybe.

[00:32:55] And then the B plot will be about something else.

[00:32:58] And so we're trying to evenly distribute it.

[00:33:01] And yeah, there'll be alien lanterns, but like it's hard.

[00:33:07] You got a one book every month and it's going to tie in closely with what's happening in the Green Lantern book.

[00:33:13] So they're both going to be kind of the meta narrative or the macro narrative is going to be similar.

[00:33:21] They're both having to deal with the fallout or the fractured spectrum stuff.

[00:33:25] And it's going to be really interesting.

[00:33:27] I'm excited.

[00:33:28] You know, I'm excited to.

[00:33:30] You know, my goal and what Morgan and I have talked about and what my goal with Green Lantern and not just Green Lantern, but Green Lantern core is like,

[00:33:38] I want this to be the space that if you want to know what's happening with space characters, you come to Green Lantern.

[00:33:46] You want to see space cabbing?

[00:33:47] What's happening with the Omega Man?

[00:33:49] Like, I want you to like everything that's going on, because sometimes sometimes I think there's been runs of Green Lanterns where it gets so siloed.

[00:33:58] It's just Green Lantern and it's just emotional spectrum.

[00:34:02] And it's like, yeah, but what about the reach?

[00:34:04] What about like all these planets?

[00:34:06] What about these other aliens?

[00:34:07] What about the Thanagarians?

[00:34:08] What about the Rainians?

[00:34:09] Like all that stuff.

[00:34:10] It's like, what's the Star Trek of it?

[00:34:12] What's what's happening?

[00:34:14] And, you know, all that stuff, which, by the way, is hefty.

[00:34:18] There's a lot.

[00:34:19] Yeah.

[00:34:20] Well, I mean, you have to tie into what's going on with, you know, you know, the United Planets and all that storyline.

[00:34:27] And I'm an idiot.

[00:34:30] That's what this comes down to.

[00:34:31] Like, because, again, it comes down to I could have wrote wrote a paragraph that said everything back to normal.

[00:34:38] You know, I had to sit there and and it's funny, like people were given some crap to about Jeff Thornton.

[00:34:46] I know there was differing opinions.

[00:34:48] I enjoyed it.

[00:34:49] I thought it was this really I read it in a sitting.

[00:34:52] And I actually think as a book, if you read it as a singular story, I think you would be like, man, this is this is really ambitious.

[00:35:03] Sci-fi, like high concept sci-fi.

[00:35:05] I just felt like it was just something that I hadn't seen, especially in a Green Lantern book in a while.

[00:35:11] And look, I've said it before on this podcast.

[00:35:14] Something may not work.

[00:35:15] It may not be for you.

[00:35:17] I did like it as well.

[00:35:18] But I'll always appreciate a writer, an artist, whatever, taking a big swing, you know?

[00:35:24] Yeah.

[00:35:24] And that's what I felt like.

[00:35:26] That's what I agree.

[00:35:27] I agree.

[00:35:27] I'm the same way.

[00:35:28] And there were so many interesting little Easter eggs in there that, you know, whether it was the United Planets, whether it was the Guardians off the table.

[00:35:37] I'm like, you know, I talked to him a couple of times at convention way before.

[00:35:43] I think I think I was doing the Flash, maybe.

[00:35:46] I don't know.

[00:35:47] But I haven't seen him or talked to him since then.

[00:35:50] But I'd be, you know, you always have to be sensitive, too, because it's like, hey, I took all those ideas that you had and I did my own thing with them.

[00:35:57] I mean, I don't want to feel, you know, Mark Wade told me after after he wrote the Flash for ages and said afterwards it was it was couldn't read it.

[00:36:08] He said he was too close to it.

[00:36:09] I feel the same way.

[00:36:11] Like, I can't.

[00:36:12] I think Simon not only is incredibly handsome and intelligent, like I met him, I was like, hey, knock it off.

[00:36:20] Like, you can only be you only get so many points on your D&D character, buddy.

[00:36:25] Right.

[00:36:25] He's tall, Brit guy.

[00:36:27] And I'm just like, geez.

[00:36:28] But like, I can't read this.

[00:36:29] I can't read this.

[00:36:30] I can't read it now because I'm just too close to it.

[00:36:33] Yeah.

[00:36:33] I'm just too close to it.

[00:36:34] And I bet in a couple of years ago, well, I'll go read it now.

[00:36:37] You know, and I'll probably love it.

[00:36:38] But but I can't do it.

[00:36:41] I mean, I get it.

[00:36:42] I think it makes sense to stick with your Flash run real quick.

[00:36:45] There was something I did want to say in terms of in terms of the end, the time heist storyline.

[00:36:53] Oh, yeah.

[00:36:53] Yeah.

[00:36:54] Which was rushed.

[00:36:55] But yeah, I mean, but what I wanted to say is it screamed to me like a creative team that was having a ton of fun.

[00:37:05] And as a result, like I like I just love I loved every character that showed up that I didn't necessarily like expect.

[00:37:12] And, you know, the villain of it all.

[00:37:16] Like Omega Man Man.

[00:37:17] Omega Man Man.

[00:37:18] Did you are you credited as like one of the creators of that?

[00:37:22] That's like the first time that guy ever showed up, right?

[00:37:25] You've not read the issue of The Flash when the Wham, the wrestlers across the multiverse land on Earth?

[00:37:31] It's just like.

[00:37:34] I literally have a custom belt on my wall I made with like the Grant Morrison map and it has all this stuff.

[00:37:42] And I my mentor, Jim Craig and I in the in the garage Warner Brothers, I thought, you know, we were it was before New York Comic Con.

[00:37:52] I go, dude, you got to help me.

[00:37:53] I'm going to let's cut a wrestling promo for this issue.

[00:37:56] And I got like a mullet wig and I did my best almost like, all right, brother, you know, whatever.

[00:38:04] And we did this this wrestling promo.

[00:38:07] We thought, oh, my gosh, people are going to lose their mind.

[00:38:09] I think two people have seen this promo.

[00:38:12] No one, no one watched this promo at all.

[00:38:17] And we posted it about, you know, right before I think I was on the flight to New York.

[00:38:24] And I thought when I get off this flight, people are going to be like, oh, my gosh, this is amazing.

[00:38:28] No one, no one said it.

[00:38:30] And so, oh, no.

[00:38:32] Yeah, I did this thing.

[00:38:34] And and so when Omega Batman showed up there, what's hilarious is if you read Green Lantern, there's a Green Lantern backup in which I explain how Omega Batman got knocked out of the stratosphere.

[00:38:49] And and because I was like, I got to I got to keep this continuity going.

[00:38:54] I love Omega Batman.

[00:38:56] I love Gold Beetle and I love the terrifics.

[00:38:58] And I had a whole like six issue arc.

[00:39:02] And I left it back door, obviously, because you can see that last couple of frames where Wally has like a beard.

[00:39:09] And like and he's like, someday I'll tell that story.

[00:39:12] I think it's hysterical.

[00:39:13] I think it's a great story.

[00:39:14] I know exactly what it is.

[00:39:15] And I think it'd be really, really funny.

[00:39:18] But yeah, with all that, those crazy characters and that is just lunatics.

[00:39:24] And I mean, I just thought it was great.

[00:39:26] And I wasn't like when they first showed up, I just didn't.

[00:39:30] You know, the I just it felt like something that could have been like in an issue in like 86 or 87.

[00:39:39] And like you just like put it in.

[00:39:41] You know, I'm like Googling.

[00:39:42] I'm like W.A.M. Omega Batman.

[00:39:44] Man's like, is this like, no, no, no.

[00:39:48] Just me.

[00:39:49] And in fact, when I wrote it and I sent it out, I was like, son of a gun.

[00:39:53] That would have been a great independent comic.

[00:39:56] Like what am I?

[00:39:57] I just I just handed it over to the multimillion dollar conglomeration, you know, and I this guy that, you know, because he's the, you know, wham belt holder.

[00:40:08] He gets, you know, they enhance his power set.

[00:40:11] But like, you know, it's so stupid.

[00:40:13] I mean, the fact that I got a custom belt and I was I was actively trying to challenge wrestlers to a match like, hey, you want this belt?

[00:40:23] You got to fight me for it.

[00:40:25] Like, like, you know, but it was so I love it.

[00:40:30] I mean, your whole run.

[00:40:32] But that that that wrap up.

[00:40:34] Yeah, I really I just I just felt I just really enjoyed it.

[00:40:39] Like seeing Wally, you know, react to everything.

[00:40:43] Granny goodness.

[00:40:46] Who else?

[00:40:47] Metamorphose, their plastic.

[00:40:49] Yeah, everybody in that last issue.

[00:40:52] I just think it just I just felt it was a really great issue.

[00:40:58] The funny thing is that was the story.

[00:41:01] The.

[00:41:02] The original conceit for the story was.

[00:41:07] I knew I had known that our man had the robot.

[00:41:11] Our man had disappeared off of continuity and I was reading all the stuff and I've been doing this stuff.

[00:41:17] If you if you go back, it's really interesting that I like gold beetle and time point and planet flash and all the stuff that I seeded from my very first issues where, you know, the moment where he sees.

[00:41:30] Irie.

[00:41:31] Later on, and like he sees his future daughter and his daughter goes, come with me and you see planet flash.

[00:41:36] And from that time, I was like, yeah, planet flash is actually time point.

[00:41:40] And that's where they're going to do all their stuff.

[00:41:42] And I was seeding that or over years.

[00:41:45] Yeah.

[00:41:45] And.

[00:41:46] Oh, wow.

[00:41:47] And I had this kind of like just thinking about.

[00:41:52] All of that.

[00:41:53] And so the story where Wade is born.

[00:41:58] I remember pitching this.

[00:42:00] It was to my first editor.

[00:42:01] I said, yeah, I want to do an issue where it opens with Wally and he can't slow down and he can't slow down and he's haggard and everybody around him is kind of frozen.

[00:42:10] And you realize he's been he's been running because his kid is like there's an explosion in the delivery room.

[00:42:17] And he knows the minute he slows down and he doesn't have enough energy to go back in time.

[00:42:22] He knows the minute he slows down.

[00:42:25] His kid is dead.

[00:42:27] And and then I go.

[00:42:29] And then, of course, at the end of it, he he falls from exhaustion.

[00:42:33] Place explodes.

[00:42:34] And then I was like, and then the next issue, you know, the Titans are there with with them at the at the grave site, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah.

[00:42:42] And then suddenly they turn on the machine.

[00:42:44] Our man shows up and says, your kid's not dead.

[00:42:48] He's been abducted.

[00:42:50] And at the time, I remember my editor going, nobody wants to see a kid's funeral.

[00:42:56] I was like, whatever.

[00:42:58] You know, you don't know drama.

[00:42:59] Click, you know, and I hung up the phone.

[00:43:01] I was like, it was like within seconds.

[00:43:06] I was like, yeah, but I love the idea that speedsters run so fast that everything slows down.

[00:43:12] Wouldn't that be interesting if somebody attacked them in a way that was so fast that they are just normal speed or at least, you know, even a little heightened speed.

[00:43:20] That's where the one minute war came from.

[00:43:22] So then after that, where I introduced Wade in that because Wade is in that having been captured by the fraction and then really push the whole gold beetle saving everybody from heroes in crisis time point, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah.

[00:43:40] Now it's planet flash.

[00:43:41] You know, I was really trying to butt things up because I was a few issues into one minute war when they told me that I was, I was, I was a few issues writing one minute war when they said I was going to be like, take it off the book.

[00:43:58] Right.

[00:43:59] So that time heist, I knew I only had a couple of issues and I had this whole bigger idea.

[00:44:04] And I was like, I'm just going to, I'm just going to speed through it a little bit because the whole idea with Donna's kid and Mr.

[00:44:11] Triffik's kid.

[00:44:12] And, uh, uh, there was one other, it was, uh, there was another kid who was it, uh, Donna's kid, Mr.

[00:44:21] Triffik's kid.

[00:44:22] And I think it was Aquaman's kid.

[00:44:25] Maybe.

[00:44:25] Okay.

[00:44:26] No, no, it was Garth's kid.

[00:44:27] It was Garth and Dolphin's kid, I believe.

[00:44:29] And so the fact that granted goodness was plucking these heroes, children out of time and the training would be these male furies.

[00:44:36] I thought it was super cool.

[00:44:38] And at the time when I was thinking about it, I had reached out and asked, like, everybody seemed to be fine with it.

[00:44:50] And then suddenly I did it and they're like, you have to say these are from another universe, except for Mr.

[00:44:55] Triffik.

[00:44:56] They said, I could, I could keep fair play.

[00:44:58] And I was trying to make this kind of like interesting autistic son of Mr.

[00:45:02] Mr.

[00:45:02] Terrific.

[00:45:04] And, um, which still has gotten me in a lot of trouble hilariously, but, um, I, you know, I thought, oh no, you know, I, I couldn't tell that story.

[00:45:14] It was fun when I did the Jay Garrick miniseries.

[00:45:19] Pairing fair play Mr.

[00:45:20] Terrific son with quiz kid, which is a golden age character from that.

[00:45:25] Jeff Johns brought back.

[00:45:26] It came to life.

[00:45:28] And I was like, oh my gosh, these two are awesome together.

[00:45:30] They are awesome.

[00:45:31] And even in green lantern, it's been really fun because everybody is seeing these characters.

[00:45:37] Ellie, who's the construct of John's dead sister has met Kelly inside her mind, who is teen lantern.

[00:45:45] Yeah.

[00:45:46] And there's something there that, that sparks.

[00:45:48] It's just like having a sort of kid flash and, um, impulse writing them together.

[00:45:55] And suddenly I'm like, oh my gosh, I love these two together.

[00:45:57] Right.

[00:45:58] I love these.

[00:45:58] So there's something about some of those pairings that really sparked for me as a writer being like, oh my gosh, they're great.

[00:46:04] I love having these two.

[00:46:05] And the same thing with Ellie and Kelly.

[00:46:07] I'm, I'm finding them to be really interesting.

[00:46:11] Oh, that's awesome.

[00:46:12] Um, I, I, I can't wait.

[00:46:14] I'm really excited for more, for more green lantern, but, um, yeah, I did just want to mention I, I, about your flash front.

[00:46:21] I, I really do.

[00:46:22] I mean, I can't believe they let me like gold beetle and Omega band man go after like the ant, like the, the most powerful creatures in all the DC universe.

[00:46:34] Yeah.

[00:46:35] And we don't even get to see their fight.

[00:46:38] We just see them like, yeah, we beat them.

[00:46:41] I was like, I absolutely thought when I threw in the anti monitor, that's somebody was coming back.

[00:46:48] Like, no, Jeremy.

[00:46:50] Right.

[00:46:50] They can't beat up the anti monitor.

[00:46:54] But no one did.

[00:46:56] Oh man.

[00:46:58] Um, so just to, to talk, to turn a little bit, I know, because we have, we have the continuation of your green lantern run.

[00:47:06] We have the green lantern core.

[00:47:09] Right.

[00:47:09] Um, and Morgan, with Morgan Hampton, uh, also writing.

[00:47:13] And then now, and you know, we mentioned Aquaman and yeah, I agree with what you said earlier.

[00:47:18] I think Aquaman can be, you know, a tough character.

[00:47:20] I mean, um, you know, that was another character that Jeff Johns with the, the new 52 going back to 2011 kind of really, I think had another reinvention of that character when he came out of 52.

[00:47:34] And then there's been a, uh, you know, a ton of writers have taken the reins of, to try and tell, you know, a cohesive Aquaman story with various degrees of, uh, success.

[00:47:47] Uh, some I've, I've, I've really liked and, um, yeah, but now I've read the solicits for like your first two issues and it, it sounds like.

[00:47:56] Yeah, don't read those.

[00:47:57] They don't make sense.

[00:47:59] Even if they only make sense a little bit, it sounds like you are again, take, taking on a lot here in terms of the world of Aquaman.

[00:48:09] Yeah.

[00:48:10] I mean, sort of, I'm, I think with like all those characters, like whether it was Wally, Hal, or now Arthur.

[00:48:17] It's like, I, I try to, I try to strip it down to be about that character, at least at the start.

[00:48:23] So that, that the reader gets very invested in who this guy, who these people are as people.

[00:48:28] And then it gets bigger, right?

[00:48:30] It always gets a little unwieldy with this, with this run.

[00:48:35] I can say that I have three, three acts of it, three stages that I want to tell.

[00:48:44] Okay.

[00:48:45] Um, whether or not.

[00:48:48] I get to tell them is all going to be about sales.

[00:48:50] You know, like if people are on board by the second issue, if people are like, uh, Oh, we're, we're in.

[00:48:57] Then I think I'll be okay.

[00:48:59] But I think the second issue is going to be a big, uh, departure for Aquaman in a lot of ways.

[00:49:05] Okay.

[00:49:05] And I think, I think, uh, you're either going to like it or you're not going to, you know, and, uh, and, and, but it's not, it's not, it's not, it's not, it's not Aquaman just, you know, saving people off of a ship.

[00:49:21] You know, and it's, it's definitely, there's more of a high fantasy feel to it, I guess, a little bit.

[00:49:28] Oh, okay.

[00:49:29] A little, a little Conan the barbarian vibe going on.

[00:49:31] Um, so I'm, I'm having fun with it.

[00:49:35] Uh, I know what I want to do with it personally, but again, you know, you always have to, you're dealing in a collaborative universe.

[00:49:45] You're dealing in a continuous universe.

[00:49:48] Um, and I don't know, man, I, I, I hope fans and I hope readers go, wow, this is great.

[00:49:54] I want, I want to read more of this.

[00:49:56] Um, but they may not.

[00:49:58] So, you know, so I may only get act one of the two acts, the three acts I want to do.

[00:50:05] I don't know.

[00:50:06] I hope not.

[00:50:07] I really, I really think if, if it does well, I really think there are going to be three acts that are going to be like, oh my gosh.

[00:50:14] When you look back on you, you'll go, that's, that's really wild that he did that.

[00:50:20] Well, I, I, I hope, uh, well, I hope you get to do it.

[00:50:23] I mean, I've just, I love your writing.

[00:50:25] I mean, I told you when you were on, on the green lantern, you were involved in the, I mean, supernatural is one of my favorite shows of all time.

[00:50:32] And I, I said this before, but if any listeners didn't hear the green lantern episode, uh, you were involved with the, the Scooby natural episode.

[00:50:39] Yeah.

[00:50:40] Which I really, I felt when I first, I told you this before.

[00:50:44] So this is really just for the listeners who didn't hear that last episode.

[00:50:48] Um, I had no, I, I was excited about it cause I like Scooby doo and I like supernatural had no idea how it was going to work or if it was going to be just a little too.

[00:51:01] Gimmicky.

[00:51:01] Gimmicky.

[00:51:02] And it worked, it worked so well.

[00:51:07] And especially for a show that had been on so long.

[00:51:10] And you, you know, I'm sure there was a contingent that was like, Oh, they've, they've done so many episodes.

[00:51:16] Now they're doing a cartoon, but damn, if it wasn't a delightful episode of TV, it worked so well.

[00:51:26] And it didn't work so well in spite of like the, the, the mixture.

[00:51:32] It like, it just, it just, it worked so well together.

[00:51:36] It was unreal how good of an episode.

[00:51:40] Um, it was so, so sir, I will, I will, I will follow your, your, your flash, your green lantern, your, your Aquaman.

[00:51:49] Um, when they, when they give you your Omega band man, black label series, I'll be there.

[00:51:55] I have a bitch.

[00:51:56] I have a bitch.

[00:51:58] I'm ready.

[00:52:00] So, um, but yeah, Jeremy, I really appreciate you coming on to talk.

[00:52:04] Yeah.

[00:52:05] You see comics with me.

[00:52:06] I wish you the best of luck with the, uh, the green lantern and green lantern core and, um, and Aquaman.

[00:52:12] Uh, so listeners, uh, let us, let me know what it is you're reading, especially if you you're picking up green lantern or Aquaman, let us know that you like it.

[00:52:21] You can find me on blue sky or, or Tik TOK with pictures of, uh, I, you know, I talk about comics on Tik TOK and also there's plenty of videos of my, my new puppy, Barry.

[00:52:30] He's a golden retriever.

[00:52:32] Um, so there's a lot of run, Barry run being said in my house.

[00:52:37] Yeah.

[00:52:37] Good, good.

[00:52:39] Uh, but yeah, thank you, Jeremy.

[00:52:41] I really appreciate it.

[00:52:42] Um, thank you listeners for listening and I will, uh, I'll see you next time.

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