Skylar Patridge and Jordan Alsaqa talk Our Sins Are Scarlet

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[00:01:29] Hello, and welcome to comic book yet. He's cryptid creator corner

[00:01:33] I'm one of your hosts Jimmy Gasparo and I have two two returning guests to the podcast

[00:01:39] You may remember this particular writer Jordan Al Seca

[00:01:44] We talked about cooking with monsters and also I have Skyler Patrick and

[00:01:51] Skyler was on and I think we were just talking about

[00:01:54] I think the second arc of resonant was was was just wrapping up. So

[00:01:59] but Jordan and

[00:02:02] Skyler welcome back to the podcast

[00:02:03] I'm so excited to talk about you have a new Kickstarter

[00:02:06] Which is launching or will have launched by the time this episode airs on February 29th

[00:02:12] So if you're listening right now in this episode comes out on March 5th

[00:02:15] You can go to Kickstarter. There'll be a link in the show notes and back it but it's called our sins or scarlet

[00:02:20] It's kind of like a spy thriller. I'll let the two of you describe it

[00:02:23] I was telling you before we started recording. I was like riveted going through it. I just

[00:02:30] Absolutely loved it. I don't know. I love spy thrillers. I've always been a big fan

[00:02:34] I don't feel like there's a ton of them in comics at least not that I've come across and I just thought this was

[00:02:40] Fantastic, so yeah Jordan and Skyler welcome back to the podcast and really excited to dig in and hear more about our sins or scarlet

[00:02:51] Yeah, thank you for having us. Definitely. It's it's surreal. We've it's been in production so long

[00:02:56] It feels weird

[00:03:01] We have had the red light green light a little bit for the last couple years, so

[00:03:06] We're going we're going with the green light now. Hopefully this actually

[00:03:10] Is successful and people are excited about it as excited as you have been Jimmy

[00:03:14] Well, I would say I did click over to the you know your your prelaunch campaign page and

[00:03:20] You know because that's kind of a big deal with Kickstarter for any listeners and if you've listened to this podcast

[00:03:25] we've had several folks on here with crowdfunding campaigns and

[00:03:30] The things I've learned in doing this podcast and then talking to folks that have crowdfunded stuff

[00:03:34] Especially on Kickstarter like that project. We love badge can be really big

[00:03:38] A lot of creators I've talked to said that you know a lot of their backers don't necessarily come from like social media

[00:03:45] But come from within Kickstarter itself and they talk about that

[00:03:49] You know prelaunch campaign like having a lot of followers who are going to get the emails and get the notices and

[00:03:56] The last time I just checked your you know how many days before launch like a week before launch and you have

[00:04:02] 420 followers so I mean in my mind. That's you guys you got folks excited

[00:04:09] The vibe is good

[00:04:14] For years of sort of teasing people for a very long time

[00:04:18] So there's a lot of material that we can kind of get people excited about so we've been kind of sharing

[00:04:23] various memes that Jordan and I have made over the years and various

[00:04:29] Suggestive artwork I've done over the years. So it's it's a trimming up a lot of excitement

[00:04:33] So it works. We're very happy to see people signing up for the notification

[00:04:37] Yeah, one of the one of the bonuses of it having been in development so long as we've been able to tease so much

[00:04:42] And we still have a lot but like we're a week out. We haven't shown our second variant cover yet

[00:04:47] We haven't we haven't even shown our logo yet. So we we've been able to like

[00:04:51] Uh, and I don't think we've actually posted like the full cover. So I mean we've uh

[00:04:56] We've gotten a lot of mileage just off of of like six

[00:04:59] Well, probably not six years of teasing but four or five years of us like posting about it vaguely

[00:05:06] What has kind of like been the biggest challenge that I mean in terms of like

[00:05:11] I guess kind of like the long gestation period of this and and not just like the stops and starts of it

[00:05:16] Which I'm sure can be you know frustrating like those highs and lows

[00:05:20] But are there difficulties in terms of trying to like promote it and tease something out for for that long or kind of like

[00:05:27] Heat momentum going because crowdfunding campaigns seem to be a lot about momentum

[00:05:34] I I think to me

[00:05:37] The frust any frustration because I I know we've we're very lucky that people have said they're very excited for it

[00:05:42] And have wanted to see it for years

[00:05:44] Um and to anyone who has been frustrated by how long it's taken. I promise we're just

[00:05:51] You know, this is this is a book that

[00:05:54] We were waiting a long time because um

[00:05:58] We were talking about it behind the scenes and it was something we were we were developing

[00:06:02] But Skyler was super busy for a long time

[00:06:04] deservedly so and then we were able to get the pitch together and had the good fortune to get picked up

[00:06:11] And we're ready. It's all ready to start talking about it probably like six months ago

[00:06:15] And that's just about with um, it wasn't idw and adw had their big

[00:06:20] We're just cutting everything originals move and so

[00:06:24] We had to we had to pivot and try pitching it again and then finally just go

[00:06:28] I guess we're just gonna crowdfunded ourselves. So it is not a path. We would have chosen

[00:06:33] But we're we're happy that it's finally hopefully gonna gonna have a happy ending

[00:06:37] Well, I mean to go a little bit off of what you said, jimmy like there aren't a lot of spy stories

[00:06:42] um, especially sort of sapphic leaning spy stories

[00:06:45] In the market and I think that was kind of a hard sell for us. Well when we went back to pitch

[00:06:50] um, and so

[00:06:52] yeah, we weren't successful our second time around but

[00:06:55] The interest is there just from talking to people and telling them that we were kick starting it

[00:07:00] I think that you know comics has its own community and then there is

[00:07:04] Kickstarter's own community and comics within that and so it's it's

[00:07:08] A lot of crossover and you kind of run into different audiences that might not have gotten from a traditional publisher

[00:07:14] So we're hoping that it winds up being the right move for this story

[00:07:17] At this point, I feel like we kind of talked about it recently

[00:07:20] We do feel like it it is hopefully the right avenue um because we have a lot of

[00:07:25] We have a lot of world that we want to

[00:07:27] show people and we've got

[00:07:30] at least two arcs that we are

[00:07:32] tentatively building and so we've got a lot of story we want to tell

[00:07:39] Yeah, I mean I I'm gonna encourage everyone to

[00:07:42] To turn out for it and I you know not not that I would say that reading it and I thought oh

[00:07:46] I understand why this you know would be a hard sell

[00:07:48] um, I didn't at all but I I do it's an interesting time in comics right now

[00:07:53] And like I certainly understand and I have no like hard data on this just my own

[00:07:59] anecdotal perceptions, but there does seem to be the

[00:08:02] Community of folks that are going into the comic book shops and then folks that might read digitally and folks that

[00:08:09] crowdfunding and I don't know what the ven

[00:08:11] Like I do it all so I I'm like in the middle of that pen diagram

[00:08:15] But I don't know exactly what it looks like but certainly on social media

[00:08:19] You know platforms like twitter whenever there's this type of like like especially sapphic content seems to be

[00:08:27] To say like it's popular right now, but it does seem to get it gain a lot of traction just from my perception

[00:08:33] um

[00:08:33] But but more so than any of that it was just a really great

[00:08:38] story

[00:08:39] And I mean skylie. I love your artwork. I mean you you still every time I hear your name

[00:08:44] I just think of that that I think that the steamiest issue of resonant

[00:08:50] Like instantly comes to mind, but then you've done so many other things since then as well

[00:08:57] And even within this issue, uh, there's just a

[00:09:01] You know the spy element is great. Some of the the action scenes

[00:09:06] The fewer are really good

[00:09:08] um

[00:09:09] But there's also not just like an overt like in your face

[00:09:13] Sexiness there's like a sultryness to these characters when it's called for especially in this kind of subterfuge spy

[00:09:21] Genre when I think alaina has to carry out like a particular mission that I feel like

[00:09:27] um

[00:09:28] Is very

[00:09:29] Deftly handled and I just I don't think any just anybody could pull that off

[00:09:33] And I thought that really added to the elements of the story

[00:09:37] Thank you. Yeah, when we're I personally feel like Jordan and I have that has been a concern for us is because we have shared so much

[00:09:44] of the sexier stuff that

[00:09:48] We're excited to show people that we have a story that there's really substantial story there and that that it's more than just

[00:09:55] You know the sexy bits and those are fun too

[00:09:57] And Jordan and I've had a lot of fun with that as well

[00:10:00] But we've also really feel like we built a substantial world and and characters

[00:10:04] I think that people will be invested in yeah

[00:10:07] Yeah, that's kind of one of the the big things we wanted to emphasize because when we when we move to kickstarter

[00:10:12] We did some things to go

[00:10:14] Yeah sex sells pretty well on kickstarter. We are aware of that

[00:10:17] I think you could just go look at some of the popular campaigns right now and see how well they're doing

[00:10:22] But we so so like we we did a new cover

[00:10:24] Which is the cover that's on the campaign to kind of speak to that a little more

[00:10:27] But we also wanted to really balance it that it is

[00:10:30] There there's I think we are both very pro smut but but we are not like we're making erotic

[00:10:36] We're making something that that has sexy moments, but is also very character driven and

[00:10:41] Uh, that's what we hope people will get hooked for I mean if if the sex sells

[00:10:45] I don't think we're opposed to that, but we hope that people will will get attached

[00:10:48] We'll take whichever readers want

[00:10:50] Yeah, but we'll try to deliver. We'll try to deliver and I think we are delivering

[00:10:56] a substantial

[00:10:57] Story there's there's substance behind all of the

[00:11:00] Sassiness all the spice

[00:11:02] Oh, I mean a hundred percent and there were just I was like hanging on

[00:11:08] A couple of uh a couple of the panels. There's there's a the character later on that is in like

[00:11:14] A couple of panels and uh at first I didn't

[00:11:19] You could I read it so quickly because I was like

[00:11:21] So excited by but then

[00:11:23] Towards the end I was like hanging on the panels and I realized like oh this character

[00:11:27] Shows up earlier on and you know, uh, some of those things. Um

[00:11:32] Just really enjoyed that that aspect of the story to it

[00:11:35] But even some of those close-up panels between Elena and like other characters. I there

[00:11:41] There's so much emotion

[00:11:43] I really love that aspect to it. Uh, Jordan. I also wanted to compliment in terms of the the dialogue

[00:11:50] Um when you're your other character that's introduced

[00:11:54] Harper agent Donovan when she is in there with Snelling and I think Glover. I mean it I

[00:12:02] Instantly felt a connection to that character, right?

[00:12:04] Because and it's tough you have like you you introduce different characters at different times

[00:12:08] but I instantly kind of like liked her and um

[00:12:12] I I was ready to like reach into the comic if he called her like little lady like one more time

[00:12:17] Like your dialogue is like just dripping with this like typical

[00:12:22] alpha male

[00:12:24] misogynist like treatment of her

[00:12:26] I was like angry which like then endeared me even

[00:12:30] War to her. I know it was just it wasn't too much. It just it felt

[00:12:35] It felt frustrating

[00:12:38] Like normal

[00:12:39] um, and I like yeah instantly uh felt a bond with um

[00:12:45] With Harper like felt for for her and just wanted to know a whole lot more

[00:12:49] I I just loved how the the two your two main characters Layne and Harper were kind of like weave together and how we see them interact and

[00:12:57] um all that story aspect to it. I

[00:13:00] Was just thought was great

[00:13:03] Thank you so much. That really is it

[00:13:06] Yeah, and and it's good to hear that it's working and that it because it could very easily be over the top

[00:13:11] I think

[00:13:13] We wanted it to be

[00:13:14] Real because I mean honestly it could probably be more over the top and still be realistic, but we also wanted it to

[00:13:21] scan and

[00:13:23] Just I think we've that's that's been one of the co the highlights of co-writing it is

[00:13:28] I think there have been times where we've both maybe

[00:13:31] Hold each other back

[00:13:32] from

[00:13:34] And pushed each other. Yeah, it's been a very times

[00:13:36] Yeah, where it's like maybe one of us was a little too like conservative

[00:13:39] And the other one was like no, no, no, let's let's make her say something really fucked up

[00:13:45] Yeah, you're fine. You're you're fine. We'll put a we'll put an explicit content on

[00:13:53] So yeah, it's it's that's been one of the highlights, which is also the other thing that I think really works

[00:13:57] Uh because I'm biased

[00:13:59] I will say that I think this is some of skyler's best work because I have such a personal attachment

[00:14:03] but I also think

[00:14:05] she has a very intimate familiarity with

[00:14:08] The world because we co-wrote it because we've been plotting it out for again like six years figuring the story out

[00:14:14] So there's a lot of stuff that we can just

[00:14:16] I think

[00:14:17] Because when I was scripting I could always be like well, we're gonna go through this together

[00:14:21] And then I could leave a lot of things

[00:14:23] That was actually one of the problems with with editorial sometimes because I would be a little too vague in the script

[00:14:27] And I'd be like I promise

[00:14:29] Skyler knows exactly what to do here

[00:14:32] Well and Jordan was Jordan was awesome about

[00:14:38] Listening to my input on you know things like dialogue and pacing and stuff like that. And so it's I feel like

[00:14:45] We've had a really good co-writing relationship and just collaborative relationship in general

[00:14:50] telling the story and I feel like

[00:14:52] 99% of the time on the same page is where we think a character is coming from what their motivation would be like

[00:14:59] It it has worked really well and it's been a blessing to work with Jordan

[00:15:03] Yeah, and I mean even in that 1% where we disagree. I think

[00:15:07] And part of this comes from how long we've worked together is even if we get a little heated

[00:15:11] We know it's from a place of of caring about the story and I don't think it's ever it's never been like

[00:15:17] More than like a little tits. I think which is nice because it could obviously be worse

[00:15:21] Yeah, I'm sure it can be kind of tough, you know if you do have

[00:15:29] You know strong disagreements about something to kind of figure out, you know where where where you're going to land

[00:15:36] But yeah, I mean the finished product seems like you've navigated all those well

[00:15:40] You know that it doesn't feel like disjointed

[00:15:43] You know in terms of the writing in terms of the art in terms of creating it together

[00:15:47] There isn't any one panel that i'm like, oh, that's that's an odd choice

[00:15:51] You know, there isn't anything like that that stands out if you you know, you might think that there's collaborators that

[00:15:56] You know have too strong of a personalities or aren't able to like figure it out that you'd end up with maybe

[00:16:02] Comic like either in the panels or something that doesn't quite connect. But there's there's none of that here

[00:16:08] I mean it is smooth

[00:16:13] I mean, I really liked it. I just I feel like I haven't read like us, you know

[00:16:16] I mean, I know that

[00:16:18] There's james bond comics that are still out there and I know there's you know

[00:16:22] There there are some things if you like kind of like spy stories, but I don't know

[00:16:26] this just felt like it felt like

[00:16:28] a little familiar and but but really fresh and um, yeah, I was excited by it

[00:16:34] Thank you. Yeah, I think you know

[00:16:35] Jordan and I talked a little bit back when we were kind of really getting into the nitty gritty whip this first issue

[00:16:40] about how

[00:16:41] We really wanted it to be its own thing like to to exactly what you said to pull

[00:16:47] familiarity from from other media from james bond

[00:16:50] From killing eve like we wanted it to feel

[00:16:53] Sort of familiar but also have its own

[00:16:55] Its own flavor and so kind of taking those genres and turning them on their head a little bit

[00:17:01] um and

[00:17:02] Just kind of making it fun at the same time, you know, I think some of some of the comps we've

[00:17:07] given for it have been

[00:17:09] Like Hannibal meets killing eve meets velvet meets lady killer like kind of all of those things kind of crossing together

[00:17:15] so you get this mixture of

[00:17:17] a good time with

[00:17:20] A lot to say like a lot of story and hopefully a lot of intrigue at the same time

[00:17:25] Yeah, it was always our goal

[00:17:27] Which is my goal really in all of my work is I just want to make something

[00:17:31] That I would want to read

[00:17:34] And it was a little different than this because so much of it was co-written

[00:17:36] But I always write towards the artist as the first audience

[00:17:40] Um because I've always I always want the person I'm working with to

[00:17:43] Have fun making it and I think that goes without saying skylark was was having fun on this. I hope

[00:17:50] But we also just yeah the spy they're outside of brew baker and rucka and even then there

[00:17:57] Hasn't been a lot of scott spy stuff

[00:17:59] I think even brew baker and phillips have mostly been doing stuff like reckless and pulp for the past few years

[00:18:04] so

[00:18:05] Um, it just felt it felt untapped. Uh, it does feel like maybe it's rising again

[00:18:11] And there's gonna be more spy fiction. Hopefully

[00:18:14] Um, just because it's fun

[00:18:16] um

[00:18:17] But I mean a lot of the big ones are off there hasn't been a james bond and once it's been three four years

[00:18:21] And there's still like no progress on another one

[00:18:24] Uh, a lot of the but there are spy movies coming out. However poorly stuff like our guy might be received

[00:18:30] um, it does exist, uh, there is an interest for it and

[00:18:33] And we hope again, yeah, we're just hoping there's an audience

[00:18:39] Yeah, I well I I think in terms of the pre-launch followers and you know having read it

[00:18:45] I definitely think the you know the audience will will show up and it certainly doesn't hurt at least

[00:18:51] The I mean I think on twitter. I've seen I don't know if it's the full cover or like

[00:18:57] Uh part of it there's definitely been pictures that the both of you have have shared that um

[00:19:04] I think have generated a lot of interest. Um

[00:19:08] Skyler draws women really like really well

[00:19:11] and

[00:19:12] But in terms of I don't I'm trying to figure out if there's like a

[00:19:17] I don't I don't want to sound they have to say this but in terms of stuff on Kickstarter that sells and you say like sex sells

[00:19:24] but sometimes

[00:19:25] You know, you'll see

[00:19:27] disproportionate

[00:19:29] Female bodied characters, which I mean it look if it works for whoever I'm not

[00:19:36] You know, I'm not yucking anybody's yum or whatnot, but it's not necessarily for me of I

[00:19:43] And I I'm again just going to call back to resident and then especially you know Elena in this

[00:19:48] I really like how Skyler draws like women. Um

[00:19:52] She does a very nice job of that

[00:19:55] I don't uh

[00:19:58] Echoing gordon. Uh, I draw what I would want to look at

[00:20:05] You know

[00:20:08] Yeah, um, thank you. That's a huge compliment. I appreciate it, but there's it's something just about

[00:20:14] It's not sometimes

[00:20:16] Things can be you know so overt and I don't know to me to me personally

[00:20:21] I'm not speaking for anybody else to me sometimes that can be a bit of like a turnoff and it's just like I get it

[00:20:27] I get it. That's what that's what you got. That's your gimmick

[00:20:30] You know, there's just um

[00:20:33] There's an there's there's an added moment in terms of the characters that you draw

[00:20:39] That has like the an emotionality behind it. There's not just an overt sexiness

[00:20:46] It's also like a sultry nest. There's like some subtlety at play that I think

[00:20:51] Can be you know missed sometimes like there's one panel

[00:20:56] in in particular, um

[00:20:58] That I think only has like a hand in it and a bit of a glass that is just

[00:21:04] it

[00:21:06] I don't want to like say exactly what it is to give it away

[00:21:08] But I mean there the the panel after that and and what happens in that aftermath

[00:21:15] Is just handled so well and it's um, yeah, I just loved it thought it was great. Thank you

[00:21:22] Yeah, and Jordan and I talked a little bit about

[00:21:24] That's well not that scene specifically but you know how to tackle some of the sexier moments in the book and throughout

[00:21:32] because I think both of us find

[00:21:34] Again, not yucking anybody's yum, but the overt

[00:21:38] Very very obvious stuff is can be a little distracting for me personally in story

[00:21:43] And so we wanted to be able to have that flow and and build that kind of tension build that kind of

[00:21:48] sexuality and and sultryness without

[00:21:51] distracting too much from what was going on

[00:21:54] um

[00:21:55] Because there is a lot happening. I think between the panels too and that's kind of how we want to keep telling the story

[00:22:01] We've got a lot going on in between stuff and within the backgrounds and so

[00:22:06] In just like in a lot of a lot of espionage stories. There's a lot of parts

[00:22:11] So we don't want too much focus being on once on one thing too much, you know

[00:22:16] We kind of want to tell a very um multifaceted story here. Yeah

[00:22:21] Uh, go ahead Jordan. You're gonna say oh, yeah, I was just gonna add like even

[00:22:25] in later issues where I think there is more

[00:22:30] Uh, certainly more sexually charged scenes more explicit stuff. I think we still worked very hard to be like

[00:22:37] We didn't want it to just be

[00:22:39] titillation for titillation's sake or be overly

[00:22:42] um

[00:22:44] Yeah, overly explicit, but we still wanted to have very sexually charged moments

[00:22:48] that

[00:22:49] Again, hopefully we'll we'll we'll you know heat people up

[00:22:52] Uh, but we wanted it again

[00:22:54] We wanted to be presented in a way that is still very much about the characters

[00:22:57] Although again, it kind of goes back to the ongoing sex scenes and movie discourse

[00:23:00] It's like people sometimes things could just be sexy. It's yeah, uh, that's fine

[00:23:05] Anybody's young thing like I'm got no problem with just things being sexy for sexy sake, but we also have more going on than just that

[00:23:13] Oh, yeah. Yeah, definitely. Uh, yeah, I don't know if I

[00:23:17] I have seen some of that

[00:23:18] I I hate the word discourse, but now I guess it's in the lexicon. Um, uh when we talk about things online

[00:23:24] But yeah, it's also something came up on tiktok about why are there sex scenes in movies and um,

[00:23:30] I don't know. I don't I don't know if i'm ready to wait in on the podcast in terms of

[00:23:35] my thoughts on that because I

[00:23:38] Certain folks had a had a point in terms of things that are gratuitous

[00:23:41] But somebody that you know says like they're they're they never

[00:23:45] Like involve the plot or character. I mean, I kind of

[00:23:49] Take issue with but and any of that

[00:23:52] I

[00:23:53] The one thing I'll and this is because it is a spy thing and it it comes to mind is I was rewatching

[00:23:58] I've been watching through all the James Bond's recently and obviously the earlier ones with like, uh, connery could get a little

[00:24:05] Super problematic in terms of sexual content

[00:24:08] But you get to like the 90s when movies were just more

[00:24:11] erotically charged and could just casually do that and there's an entire scene in golden eye where he just has like this

[00:24:17] Very like sexually charged

[00:24:20] Fight in a sauna with a female like operative and it doesn't go anywhere

[00:24:24] It's just like you don't have to have this seat at a slotty, but it's very fun. Yeah, it's very like

[00:24:29] Charged and that's that's kind of the peak vibe. I think we're going right. It's like we're not sanitized

[00:24:35] But the characters have the agent

[00:24:37] To do what they want. Yeah, is that with fam kajansen? Is that who that is in that scene?

[00:24:42] um

[00:24:43] I think so

[00:24:45] No, i'm forgetting. I saw like a week and a half ago. Um, there's some there's multiple

[00:24:50] She's in one of them. There's there's a lot in the brasman. Yeah, the brasman movies got uh,

[00:24:55] Got a lot more steve and then

[00:24:57] Uh, well actually go casino royale still has a little bit of that but anyway, like when you think I think for some reason

[00:25:03] I keep coming back. I think it was because it was just on tv recently like

[00:25:07] die hard specifically die hard too like

[00:25:11] Incredibly sexually charged with the villain like there's and I feel like that's the same and in uh

[00:25:17] A lot of the 80s and 90s films like I feel like it wasn't

[00:25:21] Everything was just a little sexy or everything like everybody was

[00:25:26] I don't know. I kind of missed that. I wish that we had a little bit more media

[00:25:30] Like that at you know, we don't have to have it everywhere, but I feel like there's definitely been it's it's diminished. I think in the last

[00:25:38] 15 years

[00:25:39] You know, I think some I think somebody

[00:25:42] Was talking about recently on twitter and they were saying like

[00:25:45] There's maybe two percent of films that are coming out now in the united states market that have much sex in them at all

[00:25:52] But there's more discourse around it, you know that there is too much than there's ever been which just seems kind of counterintuitive

[00:26:00] Yeah, I I agree. I mean and again, I don't it's just my just perception, but it definitely seems like

[00:26:07] You know in the 80s and into the early 90s that there was just a lot more of that

[00:26:12] Uh in film whether or not it served the plot or not sometimes but yeah some of it. I mean

[00:26:20] But yeah, uh, yeah, I kind of missed some of that in in movies, you know that were

[00:26:27] um, yeah, they're they're they're just a

[00:26:30] difference

[00:26:31] All right, let's take a quick break

[00:26:35] What in the sam hill is happening right now? What is that?

[00:26:40] You like bars? Yeah

[00:26:43] Oh, you like band of bars. It's not my fault you muffle

[00:26:50] That makes sense. They're dropping some great new series right now

[00:26:53] There's that one about a heavy metal guitarist in the 1970s with monsters working class wizards

[00:26:59] You know how we love monsters around here and my friend, dakota brown. He's working on a project

[00:27:05] Grandma tilly's hell tech mech with lane void. I saw the preview for that. That is crazy

[00:27:11] jimmy even contributed to their anthology from the static and had matt sumo on the podcast to talk about his project

[00:27:17] the bardic verses which

[00:27:19] Makes a lot of sense that the project landed there

[00:27:23] Where can you find them?

[00:27:25] You need to get out more they are in previews or you can visit their website band of bars.com for all the latest

[00:27:31] Can we turn the music off now?

[00:27:35] Thank you no more surprises minstrels or anything like that or i'll rent you out to the ren fair as a children's ride

[00:27:43] Let's get back to the show

[00:27:45] Jordan in terms of this, you know the comics that you just to kind of take a turn

[00:27:50] Um, but the comics that you've done, you know, you were on here last time. We were talking about cooking with monsters

[00:27:55] I mean, I know you've been involved with like bullet adventures in terms of superheroes and now

[00:28:00] So I know this has kind of been going on for a while

[00:28:04] Um, but how did exactly did you get to the two you get to like a spy story?

[00:28:10] so

[00:28:11] the the original impetus was

[00:28:14] Just that

[00:28:16] I mean, I think it's there but uh, skylar posted fan art of dr poison from wonder woman

[00:28:22] Um and expressed a desire to see more of the character and I think I just commented something to the effect of yeah, I agree

[00:28:28] um, and then we just started talking and

[00:28:32] I think over the next year we sort of

[00:28:35] Touched on it a little bit and then then it was I spring of 2019. I think when we seriously started working on it

[00:28:43] and it wasn't even a romance at first. I think we just had this idea for a character uh in elena and

[00:28:51] We started developing it. We started the developing the idea of

[00:28:55] Maybe there was a handler or some character that she could be manipulating and then

[00:29:00] It it just like harper took on a life of her own and we we had a whole lot of things

[00:29:04] We wanted to say with her and

[00:29:06] That's just sort of

[00:29:08] The vibe we got where it's like we wanted a cool assassin

[00:29:11] um, and

[00:29:13] Then we we ended up with this big sapphic romance

[00:29:17] Yeah, it happened naturally honestly like when you really think back on it

[00:29:20] I think it's fun to say like it started with wonder woman because that's essentially where it started

[00:29:26] But yeah, it was originally we wanted this sort of like elena was was

[00:29:30] I think much more when we first started talking was much more maniacal

[00:29:35] Yeah, okay, and she's still a force and still threatening and still

[00:29:39] and

[00:29:41] Kind of alluring and more

[00:29:43] uncertain of her intentions and motivations

[00:29:46] But I think she was a lot a lot more off the off the cuff when we first started developing this

[00:29:53] um, and harper just sort of came about

[00:29:56] Very naturally and it's I feel like they're

[00:29:59] The way that their relationship fit together in the way that we developed them

[00:30:05] Felt very natural. I felt

[00:30:07] Do you agree with that Jordan?

[00:30:08] Yeah, I think it was just a case of if if you would if you'd asked us maybe in like

[00:30:15] Before we started like developing the pitch proper. We'd have said, oh, yeah

[00:30:18] Yeah, she's a villain

[00:30:20] And here's a a good person who would maybe gonna try to stop her

[00:30:23] But I I think yeah, they both became more complex

[00:30:26] I think for me at least especially there was also a certain amount of

[00:30:30] Her being this force of like tearing the government down that just sort of felt naturally like

[00:30:35] I don't entirely disagree with her worldview after a certain point of just

[00:30:39] being alive for the past six years

[00:30:43] But also it was just a matter of

[00:30:47] Really grounding her because again, yeah, the first version was very maniacal very much of

[00:30:51] Bondi and supervillain

[00:30:53] Vibe

[00:30:54] Which is just less interesting if you're going to make a whole book about them

[00:30:57] So I think we just were naturally

[00:30:59] finding reasons to empathize with her finding things that

[00:31:03] Had inspired her figuring out why exactly she was in this position

[00:31:07] um

[00:31:08] Yeah, we were never I think

[00:31:10] Again, we talked we've talked about the market probably wanting a book like this, but I don't I don't think we we

[00:31:16] Heard about that. I think we were just riffing on story ideas for the longest time and having fun doing it and

[00:31:22] uh, there's just like

[00:31:24] Miles of twitter messages leading into discord messages that it was just us

[00:31:29] Spitballing back and forth on random like weeknights. Well again while we were both working on other projects or things

[00:31:35] It's just we were always coming back to it and talking through the characters

[00:31:38] Yeah, I feel like jordan and I are both very owls too

[00:31:41] And so it'd be you know, I'd be working on something like two in the morning and get a message from jordan being like what if

[00:31:49] And then I'd be like yeah, and then this and then I'm off in another world and he's off in another world

[00:31:54] We've created arc too. That's how that happened

[00:31:58] What about in terms of like the the you know the character design like was there

[00:32:05] I'm curious in terms of the look of alana and the harper

[00:32:09] Was there any like particular?

[00:32:11] You know individuals or touchstones or certain things you were looking for a certain features that you were like

[00:32:16] I she's gotta have this or

[00:32:19] I feel like um

[00:32:22] Going off what I just said

[00:32:23] I think jordan was the person who sent me a message randomly and was like what about

[00:32:29] uh

[00:32:32] My brain went off the futa patella and free larson and I was like done

[00:32:40] So those were sort of our touchstone our experiences

[00:32:44] Um, and then they've they've since you know morphed a little bit from the original original designs

[00:32:49] but those were sort of the

[00:32:51] The two actresses that came to mind when we first started

[00:32:54] Dreamcasting that's like

[00:32:56] Yeah, and for me I think

[00:32:59] um

[00:33:01] Again unless I have very specific ideas

[00:33:03] I'm

[00:33:04] Not I go back and forth with character design across projects, but for this one. I was very much

[00:33:09] I think we were we were having touchstones in the real world and there's there's like probably I would say in each

[00:33:14] Character

[00:33:15] Maybe half a dozen actors or actresses that at some point we were like what about that because we were always fan casting our road work

[00:33:21] Uh, but I think the biggest thing to me was um, and I think I said this with cooking. I'm palestinian

[00:33:28] I wanted there to be representation for that with one of our leads

[00:33:31] The feeble patella isn't palestinian, but she is um

[00:33:34] Part middle eastern so that's where she was one of the touchstones and then just generally from that

[00:33:39] It was a character that I thought would be interesting to write on it's obviously something that

[00:33:43] I mean i'm thinking about it now more than ever because of palestinian character in a government position

[00:33:48] 2024

[00:33:50] I want to make sure that we handle that well because i'm thinking about that stuff every day

[00:33:56] That's the reality of the world. Um, and so that's something I think about especially with our long-term plans because

[00:34:02] um, again, we we've gotten overly ambitious part of which i'm going to blame on on idw a little because they gave us more issues

[00:34:09] than we were asking for and that made our book too

[00:34:12] For the other publishers

[00:34:15] Um, or at least that's the vibe I that's what i'm telling myself

[00:34:18] It wasn't that nobody wanted it. It's like we were just we got too fancy for the the market

[00:34:25] When we were really I think that's

[00:34:27] I'm really fortunate. I think that we were really fortunate to

[00:34:31] Even though it was short-lived get that chance to have

[00:34:34] Some of the editors that we did at idw. I feel like they helped us pace and sort of figure out

[00:34:40] Coming at it from an outsider's perspective because Jordan and I have spent so much time in this world

[00:34:45] We were concerned that there would be loopholes that we missed and we were just too close to it and that

[00:34:51] Dots that we'd connected in our minds already because we know all the backstory

[00:34:55] That a reader might not and so you know having editors like megan brown and reilly farmer and jake williams

[00:35:02] They were really really helpful in getting pacing

[00:35:05] um

[00:35:06] And making sure that we were looking at it with

[00:35:09] outside her eyes as well

[00:35:12] Yeah, I'm just glad that you were able to kind of you know come up with a plan and because that's got to be rough

[00:35:16] You're somewhere at idw and I know

[00:35:19] I saw some other artists and

[00:35:22] writers when that first happened who were saying you know

[00:35:25] When when idw canceled their like originals line who were like well, what do we do now?

[00:35:30] And you know not everybody's able to kind of like pivot and go to crowdfunding

[00:35:34] And it's got to be tough to think oh, we're set up here

[00:35:37] you know because um

[00:35:39] There's always discussions, you know with uh, how to break into comics how to do this like what do I need to do to get there?

[00:35:46] You know and then to have a situation where you get into you know, you have your book lined up somewhere and then

[00:35:52] You know for business reasons or whatever the purpose

[00:35:55] I mean, I know there's and it just it's just a strange time. It seems the past few years in the

[00:36:00] Comics industry probably even before the pandemic it shook things up and you know you have

[00:36:08] publishers like aftershock and you know

[00:36:12] Just I think only had some issues, but now they're they're kind of seem to be

[00:36:16] Doing some some cool stuff again. I know they just announced the ec thing. So I'm just glad that you were able to kind of

[00:36:23] um, you know persevere

[00:36:25] Uh because I I think folks are gonna love this

[00:36:28] Thank you. Yeah

[00:36:30] Crowdfunding has always been in the conversation

[00:36:33] But it is a topic we never really wanted to talk about because neither of us really wanted to do it because

[00:36:38] I think it is valid when people talk about crowdfunding in the sense

[00:36:42] It gives you freedom. It lets you own everything

[00:36:46] And and this is not to say those people don't acknowledge this but it is also a lot of work

[00:36:50] And it is a lot of prep and it is a lot of making sure that your numbers

[00:36:55] look right because

[00:36:57] There is no safety net if you are the person on the hook for this stuff

[00:37:01] I think some on the whole the community can be very forgiving and understanding when there are delays when there are issues, but

[00:37:10] it is also

[00:37:11] Having run I've run five and I've been part of a lot of them for bullet adventures

[00:37:16] Um, which I'll do my due diligence bullet adventures is on Kickstarter right now too. That is run by the publisher

[00:37:21] But I'm gonna throw it out there because it is also live right now

[00:37:24] Uh, but the thing with Kickstarter is it's it's a job. I mean we've been working on this

[00:37:29] Because we we basically we pitched it around and you know, we knew I don't think we knew for sure

[00:37:34] We were both going to be tabling at bc yet

[00:37:37] But we were like, you know, if we if we do that and we launch it then

[00:37:41] Then we can make a really big push

[00:37:43] Tabling together doing something special for the show. And so it was I think beginning of

[00:37:48] December that it was like, all right, we we're gonna we gave like a deadline if we don't hear back or nobody's interested

[00:37:54] We're just gonna do this. Um

[00:37:57] And we've been working on it for three months of just

[00:38:00] Figuring out how to fit it around our other stuff because we do still have other projects that we're working on

[00:38:05] And and getting the page ready and figuring out the budget

[00:38:08] I mean, we're still figuring out like details because you right up until launch

[00:38:13] You need to be as on top of it as possible. So

[00:38:16] it puts us in a position where if we are successful

[00:38:19] and

[00:38:20] you know, we're fortunately working in a genre or or at least a

[00:38:24] Age range that does kind of have a better chance of doing well in crowdfunding

[00:38:28] We're in a position where if we are successful

[00:38:31] And we can keep doing these campaigns

[00:38:34] You know, we will probably make more profit than we ever would have at a traditional publisher

[00:38:40] But the upfront work is just a lot higher. Yeah

[00:38:44] Yeah, for listeners if you don't know, uh, you know, because we sometimes don't get into the nitty gritty in terms of crowd funding

[00:38:51] but you know

[00:38:53] You know, you have to

[00:38:54] Get your your pre-launch page together. You got to get everything set on Kickstarter

[00:38:59] Your there's a ton of promotion that you have to do and then

[00:39:03] You know, luckily if you're are successful, you still have to get everything printed

[00:39:09] You have to fulfill all those campaigns. You have to worry about things like, you know, you're your own business now

[00:39:16] So there's taxes on everything that you would have made in terms of the Kickstarter

[00:39:21] Like there's so many things and so many details. So yeah, you get to own everything and that's great

[00:39:27] You're kind of in charge of your own destiny as far as that's concerned

[00:39:31] But it is a lot of a ton of upfront and then and back end legwork

[00:39:37] Not to mention you got to make a comic book

[00:39:42] Which was that was the unfortunate part of this campaign is uh, we pretty much already done that for this one

[00:39:47] Anyway, I mean most of the work on the first two issues was done

[00:39:51] Um, which led to us being like let's just do it because we honestly we'd wanted a double issue in the first place

[00:39:57] That was one of the few places where where the you know, we never quite got that. So we were like

[00:40:02] Let's just do let's just do a double issue

[00:40:05] um, we'll finish up the second one and and connect them

[00:40:08] um

[00:40:09] And that would I ideally that's our our hope going forward is we could just do double issues just so

[00:40:15] Also, so we're doing less campaigns because they are exhausting and we want it to come out on

[00:40:20] It's obviously it's not going to come out on the the time frame

[00:40:22] It would have had a traditional publisher, but we still hope that we can get through our first arc

[00:40:27] Uh reasonably quickly so that if the success is there we can

[00:40:32] You know do more and and just keep making the book we want to make and then if it is successful potentially

[00:40:39] Find a publisher that could could put it in traditional markets, but but negotiate from a place of actual

[00:40:45] um

[00:40:46] power

[00:40:49] Yeah, um

[00:40:51] I wanted to ask I know we you taught we mentioned james bond and some other things but just in terms of like

[00:40:56] You know because we talked to movies a little bit but specifically in terms of spy movies

[00:41:00] um

[00:41:01] Just whenever I think of like a spy story. I I think of you know kind of like intense ones like uh

[00:41:08] tinker tailor soldier spy that was based off of like the john carrey novel and then

[00:41:12] Everything from uh speaking of 80s movies spies like us with chevy chase and dan acroyd, which was a favorite of mine as a child

[00:41:19] Which I probably watched it way too young

[00:41:22] but uh

[00:41:23] Were there you know other than something like james bond were there any other like non traditional spy movies or

[00:41:30] um things that you kind of drew inspiration from or books it doesn't have to be

[00:41:36] Just curious if there was anything else out there

[00:41:38] Um for me I I would say

[00:41:43] On the book side it and skylar mentioned this but I think velvet is

[00:41:48] Uh, maybe both at least mine. It's my favorite thing brew baker and phillips have done. Um, I I just feel like it is

[00:41:56] It's like a distilled for everything they did with criminal and incognito just like to still down to a really tight

[00:42:02] I think it's 15 issue arc

[00:42:04] Um, so especially in terms of writing a spy comic that is one of the big touchstones for me

[00:42:09] um, and then as far as

[00:42:12] movies I

[00:42:14] It's weird. I was trying not to watch anything

[00:42:16] I like too much because I didn't want it to rub off in the work. I think it still happens a little inherently

[00:42:22] But I'm also I will say in terms of bond

[00:42:24] I'm I'm non traditional in terms of bond because I my favorite james bond is the george lasin v one

[00:42:30] Oh, wow

[00:42:32] Which which is a very like character like that's the one

[00:42:36] I'm not gonna say the one time you feel for bond because I think the daniel kregera sort of humanizes him in a way

[00:42:42] most of the movies

[00:42:44] Free brosnan don't

[00:42:47] But I just like that idea because there's there's a romance

[00:42:51] That for me in that movie actually works with james bond whereas I think most of the time

[00:42:57] At best the the bond girls are are competent at worst. They are like

[00:43:03] Um props so uh, I I really like it for that reason

[00:43:07] um

[00:43:08] And then yeah, I I just

[00:43:12] Uh, oh born I think we we talked about the born movies a lot. That was another one. Um just for

[00:43:18] I think

[00:43:19] the

[00:43:20] They they do a good job of showing some of the mundanity of being a like government agent

[00:43:25] But also having really

[00:43:27] Sick fight scenes one of which we would really like to riff off if we get the chance

[00:43:32] Um, so those are some of the big ones for me

[00:43:34] Yeah alias. I think was also kind of early on

[00:43:38] I've shown for us as far as um just kind of not knowing who's the good guy. Who's the bad guy and just the the push pull of

[00:43:46] How corrupt?

[00:43:48] intergovernment agencies can be

[00:43:51] And so that I think that would be probably my contribution in addition to what jordan has said and also

[00:43:57] Come from comics perspective in addition. I would say lady killer

[00:44:00] Yeah from the the fun element of it where you're we're dealing with something very dark

[00:44:05] But we also wanted to be kind of fun and

[00:44:07] So lady killers also a good good touchdown for this

[00:44:11] Yeah, I would also I'm a big fan of like sillier spy movies

[00:44:14] Like I really like the first kingsman, but I wouldn't say that that is not at all the toad we're going for

[00:44:19] No, yeah

[00:44:20] And then the one other one I would note that I I'm a big fan of is the um the cw nakita. I really like that show

[00:44:27] I've actually been rewatching it recently. So

[00:44:29] That's another one that I think actually kind of works in a similar

[00:44:33] um

[00:44:34] story space of like

[00:44:36] Trying to break out of the the like agency that's trapped you. Um, so so yeah, that's that's sort of I think the big ones

[00:44:45] Yeah, I I was when um

[00:44:48] When your two characters meet when elna and and harper meet reminded me there's uh

[00:44:54] I'm gonna forget. I was trying to look it up. I'm gonna forget the name of it

[00:44:56] But there's I think a colin farrell

[00:44:59] Like al pechino movie that colin farrell's in like the cia

[00:45:04] And you can't tell like I think al pechino is supposed to be his mentor and you can't tell if like al pechino is actually

[00:45:11] Like a good mentor or the bad guy

[00:45:14] um, and I was

[00:45:16] Try wondering if I was trying to see if I was like picking up on like how the

[00:45:20] Between elna and harper would play out and like, you know thinking about it going on to the future issues

[00:45:26] I just really like that dynamic and when folks get ahold of it and back it and read it

[00:45:31] they'll see what i'm talking about because I was just kind of like

[00:45:34] You know, what really is like going on here. There was still a bit of

[00:45:38] Mystery edge. I couldn't really, you know tell who's in who's gonna end up in what camp I just

[00:45:45] That confrontation

[00:45:46] Between them or that first meeting. I thought was just great

[00:45:51] That's yeah, that's really good to hear. I think that was our biggest

[00:45:54] Concern with this first and again, it's why we're happy to be doing a double issue and to get more time with them

[00:45:59] But it's sounding like it's working. Uh, so so maybe the what issue wouldn't have been bad

[00:46:03] but we wanted to make sure that they both got introduced and established

[00:46:07] So that when they do meet

[00:46:10] You feel like not that they're necessarily on equal ground because I think it's

[00:46:14] Pretty apparent who comes out sort of on top of that first encounter, but

[00:46:18] Yeah, the idea that that you can connect to both of them and and want to see where both of their head spaces are at

[00:46:26] And and because that's that's the thing we we want there to be not to give too much of the game away

[00:46:31] um, but we want there to be some push and pull between

[00:46:35] Who people are like necessarily connecting with it any given time or who who's like

[00:46:40] Who seems like the protagonist I guess at any particular moment

[00:46:44] The recruit it's the the movie I couldn't think of with Colin Farrell and

[00:46:48] and uh

[00:46:50] Al Pacino Colin Farrell is like a young cia agent, but I don't remember that's all that's the only little bit

[00:46:56] I remember the movie. I know I saw it, but that's that's all I got

[00:47:00] Uh, something else that entered my brain and pushed whatever the rest of the plot was in the recruit out

[00:47:08] Um

[00:47:10] So, um, not that doing, you know, all the things with uh

[00:47:15] Our sins are scarlet and running the Kickstarter isn't enough, but you know before we wrap up. Is there anything else?

[00:47:22] Uh, the two of you are involved in that you want to mention to listeners

[00:47:26] I know bullet bullet adventures for folks to check out and I'm sure you can still get

[00:47:32] Cooking with monsters which um, I absolutely love

[00:47:36] Uh by 11 year old Charlotte. She got it for Christmas and she was real excited about it. So, um always

[00:47:43] Graphic novels are a great. She loves manga too

[00:47:46] But I still throw in some graphic novels for and so cooking with monsters

[00:47:50] I felt was kind of like a nice bridge between our two worlds

[00:47:54] So thank you. Yeah, that's the hope

[00:48:00] Um as as far as stuff i'm doing yeah cooking with monsters book two is available for pre-order

[00:48:05] It's coming out in october

[00:48:07] Again, yeah bullet adventures issue five is live on Kickstarter as well through ultra wist comics

[00:48:13] Uh, and you can catch up on the whole series there

[00:48:16] and then

[00:48:18] The only other big thing I have recently was I wrote um, which is time like as the borderlands movie trailer just came out

[00:48:26] I wrote a tiny teen is wonderlands a coloring adventure

[00:48:30] That is coming out in october

[00:48:32] Um, and I had a lot of fun with that sort of like pick your own path sort of book. Uh, so those are I think the big

[00:48:40] Things i'm probably gonna forget something major

[00:48:42] um

[00:48:44] I think those are all the announced things uh, and then all of my old work is on you know

[00:48:47] It's on my portfolio site jordan else a good com

[00:48:50] Um, and a lot of that will also be available as like bonus digital rewards for this campaign

[00:48:54] So you can kind of one stop shop and get a bunch of stuff over it

[00:48:59] Nice skylare

[00:49:00] Um, right now i'm working on mostly covers. Um, I've kind of paired down a little bit of my interior work while we're doing this kickstarter

[00:49:09] Um, so mostly covers coming up. I'm also going to be in the kiltopia. Dave cooks kiltopia nano jams Kickstarter that awesome

[00:49:17] Yeah, I believe it's about to launch or has launched already. I think it's about to launch

[00:49:22] Um, so i'll be in there, um with working with scott brine wilson. He's writing the short for that

[00:49:28] Um, oh I love scott brine wilson true paul's one of my favorites a him and uh, uh, uh, liana kangas. Yeah

[00:49:37] Yeah, yeah, so working with him for that. Um, and then it's not i got something happening later in the year

[00:49:45] With image, but it hasn't been announced yet. So that's my little vague comments

[00:49:48] Okay

[00:49:51] This past tuesday as we record this i interviewed um db andry and tim

[00:49:57] Daniel and marco finnegan and i

[00:50:00] When folks are listening to this that episode i think even though i recorded it before comes out

[00:50:06] The next week a week after but i know that you did i really love the cover you did for for morning star

[00:50:12] I think you did one of the covers for for that looks really great. Love all the red and uh, yeah

[00:50:18] Fantastic can't wait for folks to see that when that comes out at the end of mark

[00:50:24] Um, all right. Well, uh, I got i can't thank the two of you enough for coming on the podcast

[00:50:30] Uh, I love having people return because that makes me feel like I do a nice job when

[00:50:38] Thank you for having us again. Um, yeah

[00:50:42] I appreciate the uh the return trip it it means a lot to this old man. Um, but yeah listeners

[00:50:49] I'm telling you you're you're gonna love this you absolutely are

[00:50:53] Our sins are scarlet if you're listening to this

[00:50:56] Um when this episode comes out or probably anytime in march

[00:51:00] I'm sure the campaign is going to run through. I would imagine the entire month. Um, you should be able to uh

[00:51:08] Go on there'll be a link in the show notes and and and back this book. Um, yeah

[00:51:13] If you're into any type of

[00:51:15] Uh spy story if you love skylers work from the second arc of resident

[00:51:21] um, yeah, if you're a fan of uh,

[00:51:24] Jordan's writing

[00:51:25] Especially if you've checked out bullet adventures, but I really think that this is it's just

[00:51:30] Something that something like this comes along and it has some familiar elements

[00:51:34] But does something in a way that we haven't quite seen before or there's not a ton of on the shelf

[00:51:41] And I just think it's a fantastic story. It looks great and um, I skyler I think draws the

[00:51:48] sexiest women in comic books right now that look like

[00:51:53] Real real ladies

[00:51:56] But but I mean that in like like a real life people not like

[00:52:00] I'm not

[00:52:03] You know what I mean like they look like thank you

[00:52:06] You know they look

[00:52:08] Real they look like it's sexy and it's sultry and it's yeah, um

[00:52:14] I saw I wish you guys that

[00:52:16] Sorry, there's a lack of cantaloupes in this issue

[00:52:19] Yeah

[00:52:21] What I was going for I

[00:52:24] Um, but yeah, I I really uh, I think folks are gonna love it

[00:52:27] So thanks again for for coming back on the podcast

[00:52:30] Uh to Jordan and and skyler. I really appreciate it. Thanks a lot. Absolutely. Thank you

[00:52:36] All right listeners, um, you know if you like it

[00:52:39] For the podcast that is rate and review us and and once you back the campaign and once you get it come back

[00:52:45] You know, you can find me on twitter or I want

[00:52:48] Tiktok sometimes yelling about comics and let me know what you like because um

[00:52:53] I I love comics and I try and tell you about things that I think you're gonna like and um, yeah

[00:52:59] This is something I think it's going to do

[00:53:01] Really well and I think you're not gonna want to you know miss out on it. So um, please check it out

[00:53:08] Our sins are scarlet campaign will be live as you listen to this. So again, Jordan and skyler. Thanks a lot

[00:53:13] I really appreciate it. Oh, uh, shout outs with my brother bobby the cryptic creator corners number one most dedicated listener

[00:53:18] I do that every episode because bobby listens to all my episode and he tells me he really likes when I say his name

[00:53:23] um so

[00:53:25] And uh, yeah as you're listening to this bobby and I are going to be on our way to Ireland

[00:53:29] Where we're going to spend my 45th birthday and we might dip into Dublin comic con. So, uh, you know, we're really excited about that

[00:53:37] um, but that's all and uh, thanks for listening and I'll see you next time. Good night

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