Travis Gibb talks Cthulhu Invades Fairy Tales

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[00:02:48] You know fairly quickly because you are right in the midst of the Kickstarter campaign for

[00:02:53] Cthulhu invades fairy tales it just recently reached its funding goal

[00:03:00] but there's I think some really great, you know stretch goals and this is the Ringo

[00:03:07] Nominated Cthulhu invades. I think Cthulhu invades

[00:03:13] Wonderland was nominated for a Ringo award

[00:03:17] There's some absolutely fantastic

[00:03:19] Creators in this and I want to talk all about it. I first wanted to figure out

[00:03:25] I don't know if we if it came up last time just what was you know, what was the impetus with Cthulhu meeting?

[00:03:32] I know I know one of it is like a something in the public domain. So you've done

[00:03:38] You know, you've done Oz and Wonderland

[00:03:42] Neverland was the last one and now we're into fairy tales

[00:03:47] Well, um, Cthulhu for a bit dominated Keckstar

[00:03:51] It really did so when I first started as a creator

[00:03:54] It was just dominating the scene

[00:03:57] Anybody who made anything Cthulhu was doing really well

[00:03:59] I do think the Cthulhu market

[00:04:03] Both in comics and in games have kind of chilled out because there's a lot of that now

[00:04:07] But if you go back five or six years, that wasn't the case. It was hard to find

[00:04:12] Good Cthulhu material they had a couple of games and a couple of movies, but nothing substantial

[00:04:18] So I needed a trade to get to my table as quickly as possible. So I was doing broke down afforded bodies

[00:04:26] I was that issue. I think two working on three and I was like, I'm not gonna get to the trade

[00:04:32] For like because I was putting out a book a year at the time

[00:04:35] I wasn't as fast as I am now didn't have the team didn't have the you know pay

[00:04:40] Payroll to do it. So it took was taking me longer. So I said I need a trade and my wife said well

[00:04:45] What do you think would sell the best and I said I think Cthulhu would sell

[00:04:50] Sell the best anything Cthulhu but a lot of people doing Cthulhu stuff and as I thought about it

[00:04:54] I talked about public domain with my wife and what it is because I had to explain what Cthulhu was

[00:04:59] I had explained why we could use it in public domain and when that conversation the trend came of all these other things that are public domain

[00:05:06] I was like, what have we had them invading it? So I literally called

[00:05:11] Everyone I knew who I felt was higher level than me in college

[00:05:16] Like nobody

[00:05:19] Who was nice at a con I'm gonna ask you to be part of this thing and

[00:05:23] The majority of them said yes, and so we make it through limits Oz and

[00:05:28] At the time I don't think I realized how important it was and how excited like people really got about it

[00:05:34] Not just creators, but as fans because let's be honest Jimmy. I know you write comics a little bit

[00:05:39] I write comics, you know a lot. I know you want to write more a lot

[00:05:43] But odds of us writing spider-man or Batman or anything's a very very luck

[00:05:49] And even if we do because of our age not to call us out. Yeah

[00:05:56] Amazing Spider-Man or Batman, right? We will get you know Batman universe eight pages, you know, I'll get

[00:06:06] Spider-Man I'll get bedroom verse. I don't actually get to write spider-man, but I'd create a new venom that attacked

[00:06:12] You know Harry Osborn, you know, Jamaica so I

[00:06:18] Realized so many people have that and when we started creating these public domains

[00:06:21] This is the chance for you guys create something that you love and that will outlast you

[00:06:27] Much like a spider-man in a Batman

[00:06:29] So it really became more and more important and I also

[00:06:34] Take it very seriously like I make sure that everything's in continuity. There's a con if you read the books

[00:06:40] This is in continuity. It was a little more tricky for us because there's like 25 books, but

[00:06:46] But making sure it had a part here's where it starts

[00:06:49] Here's what we're using and what we're using what's in up our continuity before and after

[00:06:55] It's it's unique. Oh, yeah to talk a little bit about some of the you know

[00:06:59] The ones that came before this especially with

[00:07:01] Cthulhu and Bades Neverland. I really liked, you know, you

[00:07:06] What's what connected all all of the stories together because you have a bunch of different creators and artists?

[00:07:13] You know to do this but for like Neverland it you had, you know invasion day

[00:07:20] 77 invasion day like 106 and like a little update as it went and

[00:07:25] It not just you know in continuity

[00:07:28] But it really felt connected like it really felt like you were getting like a complete graphic novel and just a bunch of

[00:07:36] disjointed. Oh

[00:07:37] Here's Cthulhu and Tiger Lily like it really felt it helped to really make it feel all connected

[00:07:43] Which I think has to help, you know readers when they're yeah

[00:07:47] That was 100% my intention so Oz Wonderland and Neverland not only are they

[00:07:55] All in continuity there there is a through line throughout each of them

[00:07:58] So there's a beginning middle and end to your story you may not like the beginning middle and end

[00:08:02] But there's we get a little head

[00:08:03] They do some bad things to some of these characters and we actually intend to make a final like a final that that wraps all

[00:08:10] That stuff up has those books together

[00:08:13] And even fairy tales is incontinuity to Oz goes or in the end of Oz and spoiler for those who haven't read it came

[00:08:19] 2020 you've had four years. Yeah

[00:08:23] You're safe I think right

[00:08:26] Dorothy gives him a bunch of books so and that's where he finds never landed

[00:08:30] He's really so fairy tales incontinuity to but we're not doing the same structure because they're all like mini universes, right?

[00:08:38] You know, I know Shrek has mixed them all together, but the average doesn't mix them together

[00:08:43] So we do that so yeah creating that in one of the things that I am good at

[00:08:49] I come from a lark background. Are you a lark bird? You know about larp Jimmy? Is this I know what it?

[00:08:54] I don't do it. I know what it stands for a lot live action role play, right?

[00:08:59] Yes

[00:08:59] so I used to run a vampire and werewolf which is a big thing but a

[00:09:04] Lot of people can say they ran those things. I ran them for like 300 to 400. Oh my god

[00:09:11] I ran

[00:09:13] Now see that seems unmanageable

[00:09:15] Well, you know, this is stuff like that but

[00:09:17] What that does and what that made me be able to do is

[00:09:25] They all have their stories and I'm really good at connecting their story

[00:09:29] So it's a unique skill that I have as a writer that I don't think an average writer has because I think you got to be put

[00:09:34] No scenarios because when you play those role playing you make a character

[00:09:37] You write a background about your character

[00:09:39] You have all these things and my job is to make my big story tie in with all their little stories

[00:09:45] So adding a little Easter eggs and making experience more fun for the player

[00:09:49] So it's the same thing I did with all the creators here making their story

[00:09:53] Connect to a bigger hole and one of the biggest tricks

[00:09:58] To any of these things. I'll tell you the trick. I do it those days

[00:10:02] And why we put those days in because it helps us transition from the arch

[00:10:06] If the artist is drastic the other thing it does it allows if things don't quite flow

[00:10:12] You know time has happened

[00:10:14] And you're willing to forgive it. It's a trick with movies too

[00:10:17] Why they do flash forwards or flashbacks

[00:10:19] You're you're willing to forgive some things because they're like, oh well, I missed some time

[00:10:24] Something must have happened that I missed and your brain puts it in there and you can go on

[00:10:28] So the neat little writing trick I learned

[00:10:31] Yeah, yeah, I mean that makes a lot of sense here in it. Uh, very you know, it's smart to do it that way and

[00:10:37] um, yeah, I can't wait to see how the first volume of uh, cthulhu and bade's fairy tales

[00:10:43] Comes out. I wanted to go through the list

[00:10:47] I mean some of the creators in this and I just shot over to the uh

[00:10:51] The Kickstarter page, but um in addition to yourself

[00:10:56] Uh clay Adams, um

[00:10:58] Reg a lisi chuck sadderley

[00:11:01] farrell mullin

[00:11:03] Um dan schmid david burn

[00:11:06] Jerome ganyan you're the the famous uh orange dome productions letterer

[00:11:11] Yeah, um ben humania

[00:11:14] Um devon r scott david westhoff heather gibb

[00:11:18] stony williams

[00:11:19] um, I mean yeah kurt belcher. I recognize a ton of names on this

[00:11:26] Uh

[00:11:27] You know especially being in indie comic circles

[00:11:31] Uh, so it's very exciting to see everybody involved in what they're going to do with

[00:11:36] All the different fairy tales and how cthulhu is going to invade

[00:11:40] I mean, I I think the series is

[00:11:43] Really great

[00:11:44] And you got some really cool covers too. I know peter collins is doing one and there's um

[00:11:50] I don't know if they say what i'm saying the first name right jack deon that cover is gorgeous

[00:11:55] I mean it all the covers I think are are either pop right you got carlin cover a who's you know former buffy

[00:12:02] Uh fray creator did a lot of stuff with venger dureena then you got peter collin and peter like this is a

[00:12:08] Tough cover, you know, I said hey I and I don't think when I asked him to do it

[00:12:14] That I really put it in my head when I was asking to do I was just like, you know

[00:12:17] In breaking a mirror and just put like the 20 stories that are in there just

[00:12:22] Yeah, yeah

[00:12:23] If you can fit 20 stories in a broken mirror with cthulhu

[00:12:31] It might look good too. Please, you know, don't

[00:12:33] Yeah, yeah, I had to like when he was done

[00:12:36] I was like

[00:12:37] There's no way I can pay you what I said I would pay you because that would be very unfair to you

[00:12:43] We need to work something out. I'll take care of you because

[00:12:46] Wow, uh, because he just blew it away and then uh, we signed for cover a and cover c

[00:12:51] We love both of them so much. We did a um a three book contract for both of them

[00:12:56] So you're gonna see their covers

[00:12:57] How about what we did for um the other cthulhu's because cover a was at the end and cover c was cow will the same thing

[00:13:03] just different

[00:13:05] And yeah, so uh when I guess when the campaign like all wraps up

[00:13:11] um

[00:13:12] Like how long does it take in terms of your production time to actually put something like this together?

[00:13:19] I'm kind of curious like when did you start putting the call out to

[00:13:22] The creators to kind of get something going to the point where you think

[00:13:26] You know your estimate is to when?

[00:13:29] Yeah, it'll get in people's hands. So we the estimate on the campaign is you

[00:13:35] Um, I am trying really hard to get it for christmas to get a table and for christmas. That's that's a goal

[00:13:41] um

[00:13:42] All stories there was only three stories that aren't complete art wise

[00:13:47] Um, you know so that but all of them are supposed to be done before the end of the campaign

[00:13:52] So I always um my rule of thumb the way I do this. So I do a couple of neat tricks

[00:13:58] Um, there's some of my anthology tricks here. So one of the things I do

[00:14:03] Just to jump in here if anyone listening wait when you hear

[00:14:07] Some of travis's tricks that I think he's going to tell you about but if you do not follow his newsletter

[00:14:11] I will put a link to the to travis's newsletter the orange cone production newsletter because he just

[00:14:17] There are very few creators out there who are doing newsletters

[00:14:21] Like travis does where I feel like he gives you a really inside baseball look of comics and also is very personal about

[00:14:28] What's going on with comic production? I mean my two favorite newsletters. I think are like cullen bun and travis give

[00:14:35] Or like one one and two on the list of like the 20 to 25 newsletters. I get but but but sorry

[00:14:43] I appreciate and i'm doing one of those emo ones that people really love

[00:14:48] That's my next one. So later on this week. So people love it when I get personal when they find the dramas of my life

[00:14:54] They seem to really like that

[00:14:58] Um, so so one of the tricks for anthologies is the biggest trick is a

[00:15:03] And this sucks for creators and i'm going to tell you reality

[00:15:07] You can't get paid with your what your worth and i'm sorry like I know it seems like a lot like we're at 24k right now

[00:15:13] That's not a lot of money when you factor in the amount of pages

[00:15:17] What that would cost production lines if I was paying everyone an average comic book costs about

[00:15:23] 220 a page like I can't pay that if I paid that

[00:15:27] You know with 20 creators at 160 pages. I don't i'm not gonna math. Well, what's that math?

[00:15:32] Yeah, I gotta cover it. I got the 160 times 200

[00:15:38] Uh, 30 30,000 so that'd be 30. That's just for production

[00:15:44] That's not counting printing shipping

[00:15:48] Covers any of the other she can't do that. So that's the first thing. So what you do is entice them another one

[00:15:54] Um is make a preview book. So we always do a preview book

[00:15:58] So we do the first five people who were done get a preview book that gets people excited and gets things going on

[00:16:03] Build a community around the anthology. So they're excited to be part of it

[00:16:08] So they're sharing art because if someone's sharing art and your team hasn't started

[00:16:12] You're gonna harass your team to get it started

[00:16:16] So many anthologies that i'm part of there's no communication and then I see a book like seven to eight months later

[00:16:22] And yeah, it's good. But I also see the emails. Hey such and such dropped out

[00:16:27] Hey, such and such dropped out because no one's excited about it, you know and being part of it

[00:16:32] And then the the other thing is I tried to do incentives and do it

[00:16:36] as we're as we're going

[00:16:39] To get people excited to get people part of it and know that it's something bigger

[00:16:43] So I think that those are the things that I do that kind of do it

[00:16:46] There's a whole bunch and I just did a anthologies news on it

[00:16:49] But those are the big ones that I think

[00:16:51] Really helped put these things together. In fact, we're already working on two

[00:16:55] As you know, jimmy

[00:16:58] We're already started volume two and it's gonna be the same thing

[00:17:01] Basically the way it's gonna work. I've already submitted it people. I know people right now are racing. I've seen

[00:17:07] art for two

[00:17:09] Because they got a head start because they got their scripts in them a little bit earlier

[00:17:14] So they're already working on art because they want to be in that preview book

[00:17:17] And then when I have five of those five done, I'm gonna green light volume three and keep going

[00:17:22] You know, so there these things is it's how we keep it going how we keep it fast

[00:17:27] And going back to my lateness that I talked about

[00:17:31] The people who are late and and this is also inside baseball. It's me and my wife

[00:17:36] It's because we're doing all the other things

[00:17:40] We just never got around to writing our script. It's me and my wife were late

[00:17:45] So our team is doing it. I mean we're allowed to be late because we we make the book

[00:17:50] But yeah, you're like everyone who had the schedule they mostly

[00:17:55] They mostly are part of it. They they're excited to be part of

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[00:18:59] One of the other things and and having been you know a part of some of the the stuff that you've done before

[00:19:04] You gave me an opportunity to do a story for the uh the christmas in july

[00:19:09] And um, yes, you just just mentioned

[00:19:12] me and uh artist

[00:19:15] Joe covis is working on um a story for volume two, but

[00:19:20] And now sir, what do you got tell him who you got jim?

[00:19:22] We're doing a fairy tale the lady or the tiger, uh, which I was not familiar with it until

[00:19:30] like just a few months ago and um

[00:19:32] It wasn't a fairy tale that I was familiar with but I kind of became like obsessed with it because the

[00:19:37] If you're not familiar with the lady or the tiger like a real quick breakdown of the fairy tale is that a princess and

[00:19:43] the kingdom falls in love

[00:19:46] Her dad the king doesn't like that

[00:19:48] And so everyone in that kingdom who's accused of a crime

[00:19:51] Goes to an arena and they get to pick the door and behind one is a lady

[00:19:55] They get married on the spot behind the other is a tiger

[00:19:57] And in the original fairy tale it's left undecided like the princess points to a door

[00:20:04] And that's it. It like it ends and it's left up to you

[00:20:07] Like did she pick the the right did she pick the door to see and marry to somebody else?

[00:20:12] Did she pick the tiger and um, I just love that

[00:20:16] And that you know that ending where it kind of leaves things up in the air

[00:20:19] so Joe and I are working on uh on that story and um, I

[00:20:24] am excited to be a part of it

[00:20:26] and

[00:20:27] Just to go right into what I was going to say is that I'm

[00:20:31] Part of the excitement and talking about getting creators like involved is you have a facebook group for all the creators

[00:20:37] There's your active on facebook

[00:20:40] You're you know active on other social media like twitter

[00:20:43] You have an orange cone productions discord. You have a comic creator hangout discord and like I I cannot like keep up

[00:20:51] But if I ever have like a couple minutes to spare you can go on and see people looking for

[00:20:57] help or advice with different comic creation

[00:21:01] Uh projects everybody is like very helpful in terms of giving advice

[00:21:07] Or if you need a colorist or a letterer

[00:21:09] And everything from from talking about someone being upset that the acolyte got isn't getting a season two

[00:21:17] Someone to be someone being excited that it's not gonna see some

[00:21:23] It's just it's just great that there's so many opportunities

[00:21:27] For people like not only like all over the u.s. Probably all over

[00:21:31] You know the world anyone that has access to it

[00:21:33] And it really does fuel that you know excitement. There's like a self promotion

[00:21:39] Channel for people to promote their work promote their Kickstarter

[00:21:43] You really do

[00:21:46] Give comic creators a lot of opportunities not just to be involved in products but

[00:21:52] Projects but just to just to connect so on that level from the comic book community

[00:21:57] You know, thank you because I think it's wonderful

[00:22:01] Yeah, yeah, I love it. I love our community over there. It's a lot of fun

[00:22:04] I actually don't get as enough time to spend in fact

[00:22:07] They started calling me the grumpy dad recently because I only come to yell about things

[00:22:12] Just busy promoting other things and I have a fake beef with frank martin

[00:22:16] Uh, I don't really have a beef with frank martin. I actually like him a lot

[00:22:20] But in the discord I call him out because he didn't like ultimate spider-man and I feel that that is a

[00:22:25] Uh a hangable offense. So I call him out

[00:22:29] Not liking jordan than hickman because it's it's an absolute tragedy that you would not think jordan than hickman is anything but a genius

[00:22:36] So I just I don't understand

[00:22:38] Yeah

[00:22:38] I mean look at everyone has their line in the stand, you know

[00:22:43] With certain with certain things and you gotta you got to stick up for those things but

[00:22:48] The thing I like about it is it all it all it is all kind of like good nature

[00:22:52] I haven't really seen

[00:22:53] I haven't really when I checked in and I'll go through some of the channels

[00:22:57] I've never really seen anybody being you know like aggressive or no thing your thing is crap or

[00:23:03] You know, everyone throws up their opinions frank's got a lot. I don't know frank

[00:23:07] But I've I've seen his name pop up in discord frank's got a lot of opinions

[00:23:10] I don't I don't agree with many of them, but you know, he's

[00:23:14] He's usually pretty good about it

[00:23:16] Yeah, the only time we we actually please say what's really cool is we don't have aggressive mods

[00:23:21] We let conversations happen

[00:23:23] so we let them happen because

[00:23:26] One of the positive things about our group is not only me, but we have people like pat shan and charlie stickney and

[00:23:31] People who've done a lot in this industry

[00:23:35] Will pop in and give advice

[00:23:37] And I think because of that

[00:23:39] I think people are very respectful because they don't want to lose the opportunity or or get close to these

[00:23:44] Graders who are gonna actually help them and give them real advice and real

[00:23:48] Real help on their projects not just blowing smoke like real help

[00:23:52] So I think I stopped the only time we've ever came closest of the death of ed piscor

[00:23:56] And I just think there was a lot to that

[00:23:58] But even that it was still respectful. It's just that was the only time we've ever had to come in and go. Hey

[00:24:04] We need to heal a little bit

[00:24:07] You know because we're all very very stuff

[00:24:09] And I think there was a lot of hurt. There was a lot of shock to a lot of us

[00:24:12] Oh, yeah, I'm sure um

[00:24:16] You know that was terrible

[00:24:18] I didn't know. I mean, I didn't know ed

[00:24:21] But yeah, I mean

[00:24:23] Not something we have to get into now, but um, yeah, that was you know a terrible situation

[00:24:29] Yeah, it's it's a tough thing and you've seen it verbally throughout

[00:24:32] You know, you know, we did they did an event forum at sandiac hamacon

[00:24:36] So his impact in comics is is not being forgotten

[00:24:39] And it's sad that he didn't see that he could get through it, you know

[00:24:43] That he could see through it or find a way through whatever situation is, you know

[00:24:47] I think everybody's redeemable. I mean maybe just because i'm a christian like I think everybody's redeemable

[00:24:52] You just got to do the work, right regardless of what happens and I don't even I'm not even saying

[00:24:57] How I feel about the epitaphs or but I feel regardless of what happens or whatever people say about you

[00:25:03] There's a path to redemption. You got to work through it. It's going to be hard

[00:25:06] But you got to work through it, you know

[00:25:08] Yeah, yeah, I mean no, I I definitely you know

[00:25:11] I definitely agree with that with with that aspect of it

[00:25:14] I think sometimes when something terrible happens and you know if

[00:25:20] Someone's accused of something or there's some type of allegation if folks

[00:25:25] There's maybe it's more of a social media thing

[00:25:27] But I think it happens in the real world too if you if you say like oh, that's terrible

[00:25:31] Somebody thinks like you condone whatever it is like may or may not done and it's like I can hold both thoughts at my head

[00:25:37] I can think that

[00:25:38] Oh, hey, I want to protect the comic community from anybody that is a predator

[00:25:43] If that's the case and I'm not you know, I'm not calling ed that I'm just saying I

[00:25:48] You know, whatever the allegation is but also

[00:25:51] If somebody commit suicide that's terrible and somebody was clearly going through a that's not a rational decision

[00:25:59] Really someone's going through a mental health crisis and that's an awful thing and I can hold space for both of those

[00:26:06] Thoughts. I'm also not someone that feels the need on

[00:26:09] social media

[00:26:11] to

[00:26:11] To make my like opinion known or have the last word or or get involved in a situation where I don't know

[00:26:18] You know all the facts

[00:26:20] And that's probably just because I'm a lawyer and that's you know, I don't

[00:26:25] You know, I don't I don't do that. I'm like client comes in and they're like, hey, this is my situation. I'm not

[00:26:31] You know running off all you know and saying this that and the other thing

[00:26:35] I I want to I want all the facts. I want all the details. I want to come up with a plan

[00:26:40] Because that's what I do in my day-to-day work whenever something happens on, you know, social media

[00:26:45] I'm

[00:26:46] I don't need to like weigh in or make people know my opinion and

[00:26:50] um

[00:26:52] You know, maybe that'll bite me in the ass one day if somebody's like I can't believe you didn't stick up for this

[00:26:57] Or didn't say this or that but it's just not my

[00:26:59] I mean, I think for social commentary and a bunch of NAS, but not in real life. Like I think it'd be all right

[00:27:06] And remember I I won't go back to my discord. I wrote a big post about it, you know and how I felt like, you know

[00:27:12] Both sides, you know, because I I do feel you should always trust victim, but I also believe that

[00:27:17] Uh, this guy loved comics, you know to what a point that I don't that I don't even love comic

[00:27:22] And there's very few people who I can look at and go

[00:27:26] You love comics more than me

[00:27:28] That is odd because I really believe in my heart of heart

[00:27:31] I love comics so much like seeing someone who just loves it so much and wants the history and just so excited about the history

[00:27:38] And just fascinating to me

[00:27:40] People people in general fascinate me, but someone who loves something that I love that I can generally say

[00:27:47] You love this more than

[00:27:50] Yeah, no, no, that is remarkable. Yeah, and also

[00:27:54] Also like twitter and other forms of social media aren't aren't great with nuance

[00:27:59] Right

[00:28:00] Like that's the other problem like, you know when you're dealing with those types of issues

[00:28:04] It's not, you know, or those things come up in the community. It's not

[00:28:09] It's not great to try and like hash something out everyone just wants to say a thing and move on or once uh

[00:28:15] Here's the answer. Here's this and somebody have very definite opinions about things and you know, but um

[00:28:23] Yeah, I mean I read everything you you know, you wrote about that and um

[00:28:28] I mean you've been involved though in a couple of it seems

[00:28:32] uh

[00:28:33] Twitter, twitter beefs. I guess this is what they're called like you get a little you get a little fired up sometimes you get a little bit

[00:28:40] I do

[00:28:43] So as I've shared um, I come from a very trashy household

[00:28:47] So I got sometimes it comes out. Sometimes I forget uh and

[00:28:52] I think

[00:28:56] Comics are an art

[00:28:58] An art is an expression of something and at least the comics that I wrote are expression of my soul. I'm not writing

[00:29:04] Power fantasies very often, right? Like you've read a lot of my work. I don't write real power fantasy. I'm not writing

[00:29:09] I wish I was super strong like I I know not normally what I write. I read broken people trying to figure it out

[00:29:16] Yeah, even when even like when you mix when you get close like I mean if anyone hasn't read granite state punk

[00:29:22] I mean

[00:29:24] I don't I don't a little bit. Yeah, I don't have that so um

[00:29:30] When I see something of injustice or

[00:29:33] Or someone has done me wrong

[00:29:35] I'm very quick to call it out and maybe I shouldn't all the time I admit maybe I shouldn't but i'm not afraid to call it out

[00:29:42] Um, and when I do call it out

[00:29:45] I I never um, I I'm quick to admit what I'm wrong

[00:29:48] So I'm quick to admit like if I do something like wrong

[00:29:51] But I'm also I'm gonna call somebody out. I'm not gonna be afraid of the like I'm not gonna be afraid

[00:29:56] I'm not worried that DC or Marvel may not want me for something of that nature

[00:30:01] Stuff and you know, there's tons of times I get screwed over, you know

[00:30:04] Anybody's done any amount of publishing you guys have seen what people do

[00:30:08] Imagine the stories were not shared like

[00:30:11] Of course, there's things that I don't but when when someone makes it too personal like I'm gonna call out

[00:30:16] But you know what most of my beefs I get along with them

[00:30:19] You know one of the I'm gonna detail the guy but there was a guy who literally like

[00:30:24] Put evidence that I was comic skate and like all this stuff and I am definitely not coming to it

[00:30:29] And but who knows me does not commentate and I called him out

[00:30:32] But you know a year later, you know he

[00:30:34] It was all stemmed from a conversation that I had with this gentleman where I said he was doing behavior

[00:30:40] That I said was comic skate light and he felt that that was a threat to his career

[00:30:44] Like he was an up-and-coming and he thought my staying that because of my platform of where I was compared to where he was

[00:30:51] Could be a threat

[00:30:52] So he felt threatening when he saw a time when he could attack he attacked back. So it's all like

[00:30:58] It's all a cycle of people who've been hurt trying to hurt other people

[00:31:02] Like right that it's all just hurt people hurting hurting hurt people, you know damaged people who hurt different people

[00:31:08] So yeah, I'm not afraid to go out and do that stuff

[00:31:11] Um, and I think it happens because we um, we love this media

[00:31:16] So we're gonna go to war if we need to because it's art like you're you're not saying when you when you come at me or come

[00:31:23] out one of my books

[00:31:25] You're saying that my heart's not right or like you my because I put my heart and soul in it, right?

[00:31:30] It's it's way more personal when it when it comes to this stuff, right?

[00:31:34] So, yeah, I mean, you're yeah, I mean, you know, we're not talking about like constructive

[00:31:39] criticism type right

[00:31:41] Really comes at you've poured all your your time and an effort into something, you know

[00:31:47] I have a tough time, you know criticizing things like that just people put out there

[00:31:53] I I tend to go I'd rather not say anything because like even like a bad movie a bad comic like somebody

[00:31:59] Generally, you know, we spent a lot of time on it

[00:32:02] And when you know, you get dismissive folks or just like oh, that's crap

[00:32:07] Bullshit and you're just like man. Come on

[00:32:10] You know, but when you do see it sometimes and it's I mean, I get it

[00:32:16] In terms of it being, you know feeling feeling personal, but um

[00:32:19] I I want to say this because I just came to this realization the other day

[00:32:23] And it's part of my post that i'm going to do tomorrow, but one of the things that people don't realize about comics

[00:32:29] We're one of the few platforms

[00:32:32] In the world in my opinion where we can say whatever we want in the way we want to say so

[00:32:38] If I have something that's a little controversial and and I don't but let's say I did for for argument argument sake

[00:32:45] If I wanted to make that movie

[00:32:47] I'm going to have to tone that down to get the money to make that movie to make the budget that I want to make

[00:32:53] I'm going to have to take some concessions to meet in the middle to get the mass amount of audience

[00:32:58] In comics, it's okay to have a small niche audience for a thing

[00:33:04] Myself I made a book about a new hampshire punk like you can't get any more niche than

[00:33:09] You know, uh obviously resonates with more people than that

[00:33:11] But we you can niche it niche it down

[00:33:14] And I think the ones that have found success are the ones who niche it niche it down

[00:33:18] And then eventually like oh, I like this and then more people like oh

[00:33:22] That niche really speaks to me and they just gravitate to that and do it

[00:33:26] Great example is like bitch planet right from Kelly. Yeah, like that

[00:33:31] resonated with female

[00:33:33] comic readers who are like I want to read comics. I don't understand

[00:33:38] Why they reboot all the time and all these things I want to be a part of this thing

[00:33:41] But I can't like and like being angry about it and like it being stressed

[00:33:47] Any of the early like bendus stuff, you know, it was

[00:33:51] Uh, hey, I want to really you know get into this crime gritty quintarantino

[00:33:56] Strong dialogue quintarantino Kevin Smith. I think we can do that in comics and I found a niche and it worked

[00:34:03] I mean it it's a whole graph. It's like the reissues before ultimate spider-man becomes spider-man

[00:34:09] That's wild to me. Yeah

[00:34:12] And that marvel said yeah, man. We trust you

[00:34:16] He did a black and white book called jinx and goldfish. Like why would you trust him to do this? But he did it's it's why

[00:34:23] Um, so that's what I love about the medium is we're allowed to do these niches and really speak food audience

[00:34:30] um

[00:34:31] And I think and this is why I get frustrated especially when uh, you look at the Kickstarter audience and even look at like

[00:34:36] direct market

[00:34:38] We're trying to uh

[00:34:42] We're trying to be more encompassing but less encompassing at the same time, right?

[00:34:45] We're making cover

[00:34:46] We're making books that are less passionate about and more what what covers you're going to sell

[00:34:50] You know instead of like things that really speak to people, you know, we don't have x machina right now

[00:34:56] We don't have uh, you know, why the last man why the last man?

[00:34:59] The reason why the movie didn't make is that book does not translate to today's society when we have different opinions about

[00:35:05] Gender and things like that

[00:35:06] But back in that day that spoke to that issue coming like that it's coming around the belt

[00:35:12] We didn't have he didn't have the terms to make it cool. In fact, I would love him

[00:35:16] to like

[00:35:17] Rewrite the whole thing with today's you know knowledge of that something'd be so fascinating

[00:35:22] Like just tweaking and the stuff, you know, I don't know. I I want to run it there

[00:35:27] We're far off topic. I think jimmy. I don't know

[00:35:30] It's fine. I mean whatever topic we're we'll we'll make our way back. Um

[00:35:35] but

[00:35:37] No, so

[00:35:39] So yeah, let's so let's make our way back to

[00:35:41] Uh cthulhu invades fairy tales and orange cone productions. So let's chat about some of the other stuff

[00:35:48] I want to go through this. I do want to say one thing about fairy tales just because it's very important to the yeti

[00:35:53] Have you heard about my rumpel skillson story?

[00:35:57] know

[00:35:58] so

[00:36:00] Rumble skillson as we know is a story about the name right figuring out rumpel skillson's name

[00:36:04] If you say his name, you know, you you know, you'll health no longer harass you or you'll get free gold

[00:36:09] I don't remember. I I do remember but you

[00:36:11] Well in this story hp lovecraft wrote that one of the first fiction stories about the yeti

[00:36:21] It's it's basically yeti. Yes, absolutely

[00:36:24] It's called the howl of wind. I believe it's the name of the book. We don't quote me 100 on that

[00:36:28] he wrote it

[00:36:31] But he didn't name the yeti

[00:36:34] The yeti was named

[00:36:37] Four or five books later passed his death. Those are not public domain

[00:36:42] So I have this really unique story

[00:36:46] Using an hp lovecraft created character. It's basically a yeti for the for those stuff

[00:36:51] But not being able to name it because of the public domain thing

[00:36:54] I think that that's very clever

[00:36:56] And only people listen to this podcast and any other programs I do

[00:36:59] It's ever going to know that I did that but I feel very clever in doing so

[00:37:03] And I need to share it as often as I can now we talk about other orange

[00:37:06] No, I I think that's great. I love it. Oh now I can't wait. I'm even more excited

[00:37:13] Um

[00:37:13] Yeah, so let's talk about some of the orange cone stuff

[00:37:16] So anyone who you know didn't listen to the last episode or for some reason isn't you know might not be familiar

[00:37:22] um

[00:37:24] Some of the orange cone stuff

[00:37:26] You have broke down in four dead bodies and I think you're working on a broke down in canon city, right?

[00:37:32] Yeah. Yeah, so with it already funded. Um, we have a lettering

[00:37:36] Uh a full lettering done of it and it's uh waiting on my wife's desk to fully edit get it printed and shipped and that's that's it

[00:37:43] Jimmy we're actually

[00:37:44] Uh done with broke down. We're gonna take a break from it. Um, we're okay

[00:37:49] And so with all your your granite state stuff you had granite state punk you had granite state

[00:37:55] I want to try not to look and and remember uh breaking edge granite state the coven

[00:38:00] And granite state the most recent one was like only posers fall in love. Yeah

[00:38:10] Yeah, yeah, yeah, so artists go for everything it hasn't fully been lettered again that'll go to my wife

[00:38:15] But we're trying to wrap that up the coven

[00:38:18] Coming out in diamond in november

[00:38:20] So uh, so it'll be in diamond the next next previews you get so

[00:38:25] Probably this week actually probably this wednesday is when previews will come

[00:38:28] You'll be able to order the coven if you want the scout version and it'll be slightly different. They make us make some edits

[00:38:33] um, but yeah, you'll get the coven uh in that and then

[00:38:37] For the bows who backed the kick starter for only poses fall in love

[00:38:40] You'll get that probably um go back tober

[00:38:44] Okay, we just um

[00:38:47] We we just confirmed that he's gonna start production of the next one in october

[00:38:53] Um, and i'm hoping to launch it um around the end of the year

[00:38:57] It's called the pilgrim is the next one

[00:39:00] Uh, and it's um, we're gonna study uh

[00:39:03] How new hampshire was affected by the mayflower what happened if you anybody's lived in new england or comes from new england like

[00:39:08] the mayflower

[00:39:11] Is is our thing like like everyone in school has to study it you have to go to the like experience

[00:39:18] so every day, you know, plentiful plantation has a

[00:39:20] Has a 24 7 they they they do Thanksgiving every day

[00:39:25] You know there's actors and all that stuff. So it's a big thing

[00:39:28] So we're gonna talk about that and that's gonna wrap up the first volume

[00:39:32] So that's gonna be like the trade

[00:39:34] Other before we start to volume two, but yeah, that's gonna wrap that up and i'm super excited. I your guys are

[00:39:40] Are not prepared for what you guys are gonna see in that and what I plan on doing to wrap that up

[00:39:45] And then we're gonna start what I call season two of uh of granite seponka next year

[00:39:50] Oh, that's fantastic. I I mean, I really like the first granite state punk. I thought breaking edge

[00:39:55] um

[00:39:56] Was really good as well. Uh, I just I I like

[00:40:00] the

[00:40:01] Um, I kind of I just like the arc of the character. I just I like how it

[00:40:06] You know his personality

[00:40:10] everything leads to

[00:40:12] A worse consequence. He's kind of just taking it on the chin

[00:40:17] I think the opening of like breaking edge. He gets like punched by his uncle. So sometimes literally taking it on the chin

[00:40:24] Um, yeah, I just I I really like it. I uh, I think it's

[00:40:29] Patrick, uh, is the artist right that's a brewmeyer. Yeah

[00:40:33] He tells it, um, I think I shared in the last interview

[00:40:35] But it's the first book that I ever got to pick like this is the guy who I want to drop

[00:40:41] And no offense to Patrick and I don't care if he hears this

[00:40:44] He draws my book better than any of

[00:40:47] Like there is something about punk rock that really resonates that he tends to draw a lot of dark fantasy

[00:40:52] Which is great for him, but

[00:40:55] Gotta stick with punk rock man. Like the way he does

[00:40:59] Yeah, I just feel like it has his art style

[00:41:02] It has a very like almost

[00:41:06] Underground indie comic kind of like look to it, you know, like

[00:41:10] Like the the police were at the door and you were trying to finish up this sketch before they

[00:41:16] Before they they broke it down with a battering ram and it just works so well for the story you're telling

[00:41:23] I I love it. I think it's great. So I can't wait to see the rest of it and see how it gets all wrapped up

[00:41:29] Yeah, I feel he's got a uh like a mix between steve niles

[00:41:35] Okay, like like a seavan now. He's got like the strokes the big the big dark strokes of

[00:41:40] Steven Niles, but um, he uh his his big influence is um

[00:41:47] My god, I'm sorry about Ramos

[00:41:49] Not a Ramos. Oh, okay

[00:41:51] Which is why like he had which which you can tell you can't tell because he doesn't draw like him

[00:41:56] But his questions are big and the faces are kind of big in the hand

[00:42:01] Like the bodies look a little bigger than they should like yeah

[00:42:05] Yeah, I I think it's I mean I I think it's great and I think for a book that um

[00:42:11] His facial expressions are like very good very, you know, necessarily, you know, exaggerated

[00:42:17] So, yeah, that's a really fun series and put it very deep as well

[00:42:22] I just feel like it hits a lot of notes and I

[00:42:24] Yeah, I'm not a punk rock person, but I just I just I think it's

[00:42:29] Super entertaining. I I I kind of connect with the character in certain ways and um

[00:42:37] I just really enjoy reading it. I think I get something different out of every time I I go through it again

[00:42:43] I mean, there is something about a guy who seems like just the worst at times

[00:42:48] But you're kind of rooting for him a little bit, you know

[00:42:51] He's that guy that you all we all have

[00:42:55] He's an asshole. Yeah, but he's your but he's your asshole, right? Yeah

[00:43:00] He he can be a dick to people and like but you're like, but he's good to me

[00:43:05] Like so you give him excuses

[00:43:08] I think everyone has one in their friends group. They're like, he's a prick. Like I totally get why you don't like him

[00:43:13] They wouldn't we've relationships don't work. You're like, of course they don't work. He's an asshole

[00:43:18] Right, but you you love him and you want him around. He always gets invites

[00:43:22] Like it's something about that guy. And that's the guy who I write

[00:43:25] Yeah, yeah that there there absolutely is and I really yeah, I feel like that character is someone that

[00:43:31] You know people understand you universal

[00:43:33] And that's a good way to put it someone who you're like, oh no, I what he's done totally indefensible

[00:43:39] Your honor. I'm sorry, but you're just like, yeah, no, he's coming over sunday. We're gonna watch we're gonna watch the game

[00:43:46] I know he robbed you but he's never robbed me. He would never do that to me

[00:43:51] Yeah, we yeah

[00:43:53] We we make excuses. I I get it

[00:43:57] And so I think you're doing a hospice

[00:44:00] Folks don't know about was this really cool project that you did with different stories being told by multiple

[00:44:07] creators

[00:44:08] Yeah similar theme and is there going to be like a trade of all of those collected now?

[00:44:13] Yeah, we're gonna collect that in short trade. Um, I believe that that is

[00:44:17] Hopefully next month. Hopefully in september we're gonna launch that in july

[00:44:20] And get that going on you guys have waited for it too long

[00:44:23] A lot of people have wanted it because I uh, they missed one or two

[00:44:26] Of the issues because you know, they all came on at the same time with a lot of money to spend

[00:44:30] You know if you bought all of them, I think our minimum was 20 bucks

[00:44:33] So you had to spend 100 bucks and that's a lot a lot for your heart reflection, right?

[00:44:38] Yeah, yeah, certainly. I mean that's that's a week for me

[00:44:41] But for most people like I found that that is not the case

[00:44:44] Yeah, that can be that can be a lot when you're

[00:44:47] So we're gonna get that trade get a nice little trade on it. We've got a couple of uh covers for it

[00:44:51] It's gonna be a lot of fun. So that should be awesome the next thing on the on the pike and hope I think we can get that

[00:44:58] Directly out to people because everything's been individually edited

[00:45:01] We may need to go through it a couple of times just just to make sure that it's up to orange cone standards

[00:45:06] Is my love with the room aside, but nothing major

[00:45:10] Nice and then one of the other things i'm excited about because I really like the holiday spirits anthologies

[00:45:16] Which you've done. I think three so far, but you're doing a like a monster special. Is that right?

[00:45:24] We are um, so

[00:45:26] It is up in the air right now be honest, you know, this is part of the negative comics and I don't mind sharing it

[00:45:32] You know we had

[00:45:34] Four main four big names all four of them had to drop because of big opportunities

[00:45:41] Okay, place the four big but we still if everything works out and everything's good. I do plan on launching it in december

[00:45:48] um

[00:45:49] But uh stuff and this is would be monsters and unlike our normal ones

[00:45:53] It's gonna be just what do monsters do during the holiday? What does frankstein do for christmas?

[00:45:56] What is uh, yeah, see I that I love that that concept of you know

[00:46:02] what

[00:46:04] This isn't exactly like a parallel, but one of my favorite

[00:46:07] I don't know if it's a genre of things talking about talk about a niche by

[00:46:13] I really like supernatural stuff

[00:46:15] But when there's like a level of like bureaucracy, you know

[00:46:20] So like whenever my brother and I watch supernatural like every episode

[00:46:24] but whenever supernatural like went to hell or heaven and it was like

[00:46:29] You know there was a book and there was like an administrator

[00:46:33] Whenever they take something like that

[00:46:36] um

[00:46:37] I often think of like douglas adams with like hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy like science fiction too

[00:46:43] you have like this other planet and

[00:46:46] You know, they're trying to do some you know get somebody out of jail and it's just like

[00:46:51] Un like needlessly complicated. I like those types of things and

[00:46:57] that

[00:46:58] That the holiday spirits monster special kind of gives me like a little bit of that flavor when you're talking about monsters

[00:47:04] And terrifying and then you're but you're you're adding in this like almost homey comforting element of the holidays

[00:47:12] You know like because do they scare? Do they terrorize? Do they do they do they just

[00:47:19] Do they make eggnog? Like what do they do?

[00:47:22] Yeah, I got the idea because someone came up to me and they bought holiday spirits

[00:47:25] They had a frankenstein shirt and frankenstein was just looking out the window. That was a whole shirt

[00:47:29] And I was just like imagine him in a Christmas sweater the coffee

[00:47:36] I was like, I want to make that book. That's that book. That's fun

[00:47:41] Yeah, and it gets all the things that we've been doing cthulhu

[00:47:45] Over on the holiday spirit side and see what we could do

[00:47:48] Uh to do that and then the year uh next year as well just to give me a little bit

[00:47:53] We're gonna do the july so on 20 25 schedule is our christmas and july trade

[00:47:58] So we're gonna combine your story and all the other stories into one night that we've done for the three volume

[00:48:04] Adding a fourth volume that kind of ties it all together to get a nice trade. Right awesome. I love it. Well, uh, I hope it happens

[00:48:11] I hope the uh

[00:48:14] You know, you're uh the holiday spirits

[00:48:17] Uh monster monster idea happens. I really love it. Um, yeah

[00:48:22] It's what it's also one of those things like that's fun like

[00:48:25] Instantly, you know when you think about it like there's like an idea pops into your head when you hear something like that, you know, you're just like, oh

[00:48:34] Monsters at the holidays and it's just like so many different different ways it can go. Um

[00:48:40] Yeah, and then uh

[00:48:42] I guess the only other thing is uh, you were working on a project that I've heard about I think on the discord

[00:48:48] And as well in your newsletters, um a graphic novel for the federalist

[00:48:53] Yeah, yeah, yeah, we've been working on the federalist for a little bit

[00:48:56] You know, we've got uh a few pages done. We've got about 15 pages done done of it

[00:49:01] Our rollings um, and uh, we're hoping to launch that before the end of the year

[00:49:04] Our schedule's getting tight and lost some of that out of the year. So I don't know. Yeah, that's possible

[00:49:09] We want to make sure we catch up a little bit to get everything stopped

[00:49:12] But I really want to get the federalist out this year has been a rough year for orange cone not not like

[00:49:18] Financially or anything. It's we looked at our schedule

[00:49:20] We looked at what we've been producing and we realized that

[00:49:24] We need to clear some stuff off of the table

[00:49:27] So we can put out a lot of new stuff

[00:49:29] Because we want to have a lot of new things and bring new things to the platform

[00:49:32] To do that, we got to wrap up voodoo nations. So voodoo nations got to go

[00:49:35] You know, that's one of our books. We got to get that off the shelf broke down

[00:49:38] We still had those stories were done. We had to get that off the shelf

[00:49:42] Even granted say punk it's not leaving the shelf

[00:49:44] But we want to give it a trade have it kind of on the shelf

[00:49:48] So we can we can put it aside a little bit so we can do some new new ip

[00:49:53] And one of them is the federal so federalist is going to be a small

[00:49:57] 65 to 70 page graphic novel and it's going to be a hard car hard back one one shot just out and it's about

[00:50:05] Uh, there's a thing in the the federalist papers. Uh, if you haven't if you don't know what those are

[00:50:10] There's a series of documents that

[00:50:13] um

[00:50:14] Madison and Hamilton and a couple other guys are writing to

[00:50:19] kind of get everyone uh excited about having a universal banking system

[00:50:23] So but in that just like today, like if you listen to trump or your it's all about the republicans fault

[00:50:30] So the democrats fault that always blamed it. Well back then they didn't they weren't fighting amongst each other yet

[00:50:34] The british so the british did this to you the british did this to you

[00:50:40] And I had this idea of

[00:50:43] old grizzled

[00:50:46] ptsd

[00:50:47] general

[00:50:48] War hero writing it who fought in the revolution or war

[00:50:52] Who thinks these are coded messages from his generals because they are written from his generals

[00:50:56] Just so you know, the federalist papers weren't labeled as

[00:50:59] As as those guys we didn't know that they were until later. So he feels that these are yeah

[00:51:04] Yeah, it was what uh, yeah, james madison alzander hamilton

[00:51:08] Uh gumbry and one other person wrote one more

[00:51:13] Right, but they kind of wrote them, you know in secret they were to help get the country behind the

[00:51:19] The begging system constitution and the yeah

[00:51:24] So so if you read those if you read them straight through it sounds like there could be british coming to kill you all the time

[00:51:29] And that's what they're trying to imply. So you sign this document and get excited about the constitution

[00:51:34] This guy feels the british are coming. So he starts hunting british of people who he thinks are spies and

[00:51:40] Sometimes he gets it right sometimes he gets it wrong. How right is he? How wrong is he you'll have to read the book to find out

[00:51:45] all right

[00:51:48] Nothing like a nothing like a late 1700s can conspiracy theorist thriller

[00:51:55] He's he's a revolutionary war punisher. It's what I call okay

[00:51:59] There you go. All right

[00:52:01] I'm like the punisher. He doesn't know if he's quite doing it right and I'll I'll promise you he's doing it right sometimes if wrong the other time

[00:52:08] okay

[00:52:10] Yeah, well that I mean

[00:52:12] That sounds wild. So I can't wait till that stuff comes out

[00:52:17] I'm just I'm really impressed with like your you know, not just we talk about your openness

[00:52:22] Your outlook the things you've done for the indie comics community

[00:52:26] Um, but yeah, but I really think you have to be one of the more

[00:52:29] You know productive individuals that are really trying to you know that are making this happen

[00:52:33] Doing all these things with with orange cone and I just think the opportunities that you give to people

[00:52:40] and

[00:52:42] the

[00:52:42] you know your sense of

[00:52:45] fun your writing and

[00:52:47] you know taking

[00:52:49] Some of the things that you've gone through in your life

[00:52:52] To to put into your work like you've done a lot of fun stuff

[00:52:56] But you've done a lot of stuff that's also deeply personal when you look at some of the comics you've written like, you know

[00:53:02] uh

[00:53:02] Garnet state punk granite state punk and then you know read your newsletters like the one you wrote this past year

[00:53:08] I think it was for father's day

[00:53:10] um

[00:53:11] I just i'm such a fan of not only you as a writer

[00:53:15] But like you as a as a person that I've come to know

[00:53:18] You know it through your comics and interacting you with you online

[00:53:24] There's just been a real joy for me to get to you know talk to you and even be

[00:53:29] of a part in in any of these projects is just

[00:53:33] You know has been wonderful. Well, thank you. I mean it's

[00:53:36] for me um

[00:53:39] You know growing up I came from a drug and alcohol family and I um

[00:53:43] I I was it was best to not be seen

[00:53:47] Right, I did they you know it's best to just just just sit in the back room

[00:53:51] Because then you don't get involved in the nonsense and you don't get hit or you don't um

[00:53:56] stuff, uh, but

[00:53:59] One of the things that I don't talk about a lot that I was really blessed with my extended family being more normal more traditional

[00:54:05] Right, so I knew that something was amiss and not everybody has that opportunity right a lot of people come from

[00:54:12] And I'm not trying to insult people in trail back. I grew up with trail park

[00:54:15] Trail park trash on mom's side trail park trash on dad's side. So that's all they know, right?

[00:54:19] That's all they know generation and generation. I didn't have that. It was very lucky

[00:54:24] um, but

[00:54:26] As I grew up, um, I needed to survive and the way I survived was my

[00:54:31] Comedy and and in getting along with people and being passionate about people and and comic books

[00:54:36] You know comic books taught me right and wrong how to do these things. I share about that a lot

[00:54:40] but um

[00:54:43] I have I've always had this gift that I can connect with people and I hate it

[00:54:47] I hate this gift. I love that this gift because if I care about you and I really get to connect with you

[00:54:51] It's the best thing in the world

[00:54:52] But sometimes I connected people who I I don't

[00:54:56] And I'll go away and they'll message me on facebook and say remember when you did this for me

[00:55:01] And they'll tell me this thing I did for them that I don't remember

[00:55:04] Because I'm so used to connecting

[00:55:07] Um on this this emotional level and I realized that

[00:55:10] I really need to put it in writing

[00:55:12] So I don't hurt people because it really hurts people when they're like, oh you connected with me

[00:55:16] And I don't remember it and sometimes I lie and pretend I do and sometimes I don't and be like

[00:55:21] I'm sorry to remember that and of course the people who are actively in my life

[00:55:25] They all remember it know it but I it's such a coping mechanism is like what can I do to so you see value

[00:55:32] And I know it's like a brokenness in me, but it's also an extreme gift

[00:55:35] So it's trying to figure out how to do that. It's because I can

[00:55:39] I can see you guys need a community. I'm really good at talking to people

[00:55:43] Let me get you into a community. Let me help you show your part of my own thing

[00:55:47] Let me get you some opportunity so you can grow and do your thing because I want you to grow because I don't see you as

[00:55:52] competition because I want to do this and I

[00:55:56] You know we talked about earlier how much I love comics

[00:55:59] It's no like I love comics to a point that I know a lot of people don't and it's okay

[00:56:04] You don't need to love it as much as me

[00:56:07] um

[00:56:08] But I also want to say something to the world

[00:56:10] So everything I write has something extra to like, you know, budu nations is about my wife, you know, uh, you know

[00:56:16] We uh

[00:56:17] I was drinking a lot and my because my mom died and I didn't know who I was and my wife

[00:56:22] Was just sticking by me. She hadn't married me

[00:56:24] But I know I drastically changed from one person to a different person

[00:56:29] And I could never go back to that person because I don't know who that person is

[00:56:33] And I think everybody who's going through the death

[00:56:35] Does this I did a little bit more to the extreme

[00:56:37] And just having a wife so that's what that story is about is about a woman who sees this man change and deciding to still love them through

[00:56:44] What does that look like? How does that do and I literally have to write a fictional

[00:56:49] Fictional version of why that happened because it doesn't make sense to be in real life

[00:56:55] Great to say because my brokenness, you know really showing my page showing brokenness. Um, but also showing the

[00:57:04] How lovable broken people right, you know, you know, I say I come from our drug and alcohol family

[00:57:10] There's so many people in those communities who drew drugs and do horrible things

[00:57:15] But I love them for so many reasons and they're so good at this thing or the stuff that asshole

[00:57:20] And I want to bring that to light, uh, you know of like these things matter and and these things matter in our real life

[00:57:26] You know, my wife does a child welfare and I do a lot of community help and because we actively care about people in communities and

[00:57:35] Trying to make the world better and um, I try to do it in my craft, you know

[00:57:40] Yeah, I think it comes through

[00:57:42] Thank you. I really do

[00:57:44] Um, well, I I

[00:57:46] I mean, I I think that's like kind of a perfect spot to

[00:57:49] Yeah, and this conversation on travis, but I I really appreciate you coming on

[00:57:54] I'm glad to see that as we're recording this cthulhu invades fairy tales is funded

[00:57:59] And I'll put links to everything in the show notes and listeners. Check it out

[00:58:05] You're not going to be disappointed the the other ones. I've read cthulhu invades wonderland

[00:58:10] I don't know if I read us. I read wonderland and neverland

[00:58:12] Um, they're fantastic and really any of these projects in particular

[00:58:19] Granted state punk though. I just a special shout out for because it is my first I feel it's my best

[00:58:25] Like I know you shouldn't have a favorite, but I do I do feel I rule

[00:58:29] I think it's really great. I would encourage listeners to check it out

[00:58:32] But I'll put links to all that especially travis's

[00:58:35] Um newsletter as well and check out all the other orange cone stuff

[00:58:39] Um travis I really appreciate you coming back on the podcast and um, I just really on behalf of the indie comics

[00:58:47] community

[00:58:48] Thank you. I think you do a really nice job and you do a lot for other people and um, thanks for coming on and

[00:58:54] Chatting with me for the past hour

[00:58:57] All right. Well, thanks a lot jimmy

[00:58:59] All right, uh for comic book yeti. I am uh in the cryptic creator corner of jimmy gasparo

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