Joe Corallo and Butch Mapa talk Kardak the Mystic

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[00:02:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Hello and welcome to comic book yeti's cryptic creator corner

[00:02:54] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm one of your host Jimmy Guis Barrow and I have two guests for the podcast today

[00:02:59] [SPEAKER_03]: One of returning guests that I'm very excited to talk about

[00:03:01] [SPEAKER_03]: And I've met in person oddly enough in Dublin at Dublin comic show

[00:03:08] [SPEAKER_03]: And another first time guest to the podcast

[00:03:11] [SPEAKER_03]: I think and we're going to be talking about Archie Comics one shot for Cardic Domestic

[00:03:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Which just came out August 14th, but please welcome back to the podcast Jo Corralo

[00:03:20] [SPEAKER_03]: And welcome to the podcast for the first time, but Jo, but how are the two of you doing?

[00:03:26] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm doing well and thanks for having me back

[00:03:30] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, doing good over here in Manila. Thanks for having us

[00:03:35] [SPEAKER_06]: No, I didn't realize that you were in Manila

[00:03:40] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, no, I've been up for a few hours, but it's early morning over yourself

[00:03:45] [SPEAKER_06]: Okay, excuse the hair

[00:03:48] [SPEAKER_03]: No, you're fine. Find head of hair there, but

[00:03:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Nice to hear that

[00:03:55] [SPEAKER_03]: All right, so the two of you along with Ellie Wright and Jack Morelli

[00:04:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Collaborated on Cardact Domestic which I told both of you before

[00:04:08] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I'm aware of Archie Comics generally, but for whatever reason it wasn't anything

[00:04:14] [SPEAKER_03]: that I really came across, I don't know too much about the history

[00:04:20] [SPEAKER_03]: But in doing a little bit of research that I did for this podcast

[00:04:24] [SPEAKER_03]: I understand Cardact was like a character originally from the 30s

[00:04:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Is that right? Who is kind of in the was like a magician superhero?

[00:04:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Does anyone know if you're a punk?

[00:04:38] [SPEAKER_02]: No, that's more or less. He first appeared in very early top notch comics

[00:04:47] [SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, in a similar kind of vein to some of the other kind of

[00:04:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Mediation superheroes that were popping up at the time

[00:05:00] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, and top notch comics itself like most golden age comics

[00:05:04] [SPEAKER_02]: was this sort of anthology series where there would be multiple

[00:05:08] [SPEAKER_02]: So Cardact stories anywhere from, you know, I'm just basically

[00:05:15] [SPEAKER_02]: I thought my head, but like 68 age kind of story

[00:05:20] [SPEAKER_02]: In a comic that you know had more like 56 pages

[00:05:26] [SPEAKER_02]: And you know there would be like 68 or whatever

[00:05:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Stories and there were other superheroes that there were not superhero stories in it

[00:05:37] [SPEAKER_02]: And Cardact would deal with some interesting things like fish people monsters

[00:05:46] [SPEAKER_02]: And you know, other kinds of bizarre things as well as gangsters

[00:05:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Because everyone dealt with gangster robbing banks in the light

[00:05:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Right, everyone had gangsters in the 30s.

[00:06:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, absolutely. I'm blanking on which DC comic it was. It might have been like

[00:06:05] [SPEAKER_02]: One of the old like starman or sandman like gold age comics

[00:06:11] [SPEAKER_02]: But it was like a truck hit like a bump and all these jetpacks

[00:06:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Came out of the back of the truck and these like you know, pinstriped suit gangsters

[00:06:20] [SPEAKER_02]: We're like, oh man, we got these jetpacks now. He can like rob banks

[00:06:26] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's like, I don't know. I feel like jetpack technology and like the 30s or 40s

[00:06:32] [SPEAKER_02]: You'd probably make more money selling that than robbing most banks

[00:06:37] [SPEAKER_02]: But all right. Yeah, I mean, maybe it would be more useful if there was like

[00:06:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Something not enclosed, like maybe some type of open air robbery, you know

[00:06:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Sorry about that. No, it's a very good.

[00:06:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Like playing some, playing some tones for us.

[00:06:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry. Now, but yeah, and there were other things that were, you know, unique to Cardact

[00:07:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, Lorna the Beyonce who I also used in this story and you know,

[00:07:19] [SPEAKER_02]: But Chen, you know, Ellie and everyone helped bring to life and make her

[00:07:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Interesting and unique because it was very popular.

[00:07:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I'm trying to think, you know, I don't have all of the statistics in front of me

[00:07:34] [SPEAKER_02]: But like the amount of heroes that were either like dating or you know,

[00:07:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Interesting to win. But like, you know, this early on, so like be very committed to like a

[00:07:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Beyonce probably stood out a little more than some of these others because usually

[00:07:53] [SPEAKER_02]: You have these like bachelor sort of characters with these characters with like long term

[00:07:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Girlfriends who are like waiting to get engaged to said hero.

[00:08:04] [SPEAKER_02]: So, so there was something I thought interesting in that and I wanted to make sure I brought

[00:08:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Into this. Yeah. Yeah. I had, I was reminded me, Lorna with her,

[00:08:17] [SPEAKER_03]: There are long, it seemed to be a bit of a long suffering engagement.

[00:08:19] [SPEAKER_03]: I had a little, you know, Nathan Detroit from Guy's and Doll's vibes with him and

[00:08:26] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to let you know, you know, wanting him to, you know, maybe put away magic

[00:08:32] [SPEAKER_03]: And focus on their family. But yeah, I really like that those, you know, that it felt

[00:08:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Grounded like that element to it.

[00:08:42] [SPEAKER_03]: In terms of this story itself before we get into some more of the details about it, was

[00:08:47] [SPEAKER_03]: This like a character that you had picked or did Archie comics come to you and say,

[00:08:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Hey, we want to do one shots with these characters and you know, you looked into

[00:08:59] [SPEAKER_03]: How did kind of like you the two of you connect with Cardiac, the mystic.

[00:09:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I guess I'll just say my part quickly and then,

[00:09:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I wish, which I think because I don't think I know exactly how it happened that

[00:09:15] [SPEAKER_02]: We ended up together on on this one.

[00:09:18] [SPEAKER_02]: But so from my end, I was approached by Jamie, you know, editor about like, hey,

[00:09:27] [SPEAKER_02]: You want to pitch for this part, act domestic one shot like what you got.

[00:09:34] [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, I had written Cardiac in a shorter story, five page story for

[00:09:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Jinks from fairy tales back in 22. So I was like, Oh, cool.

[00:09:46] [SPEAKER_02]: That was that'd be great.

[00:09:47] [SPEAKER_02]: So I came up with three ideas and then, you know, got narrowed down.

[00:09:53] [SPEAKER_02]: And to give you an idea, it's not like they ask you to do like a ton of, you know,

[00:09:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Like a couple paragraphs or something on an idea flush it out and then it's like,

[00:10:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Can you flush out this particular idea bit more?

[00:10:04] [SPEAKER_02]: I, you know, wrote a more detailed sort of outline.

[00:10:08] [SPEAKER_02]: It was like, yeah, let's go with that one.

[00:10:11] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I'm condensing the timeline a bit, you know,

[00:10:14] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure that's sort of how that happened.

[00:10:18] [SPEAKER_02]: And then, you know, I wrote the script handed in had, you know,

[00:10:22] [SPEAKER_02]: If you notes applied those pretty quickly.

[00:10:26] [SPEAKER_02]: And then once that was all set,

[00:10:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I was then added to, you know, a thread,

[00:10:33] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, sort of an email thread just discussing it where, you know,

[00:10:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Was revealed to me that, you know,

[00:10:39] [SPEAKER_02]: But which would be, you know, the line artist and providing the,

[00:10:44] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, the main cover that, you know,

[00:10:47] [SPEAKER_02]: L.A. would be doing the colors who we both,

[00:10:51] [SPEAKER_02]: You, you Jimmy and I got to hang out with a bit in Dublin.

[00:10:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:10:56] [SPEAKER_02]: If you want to go.

[00:10:58] [SPEAKER_02]: And then Jack as the letter, which, you know,

[00:11:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Is it somewhat of a safe bet?

[00:11:06] [SPEAKER_02]: You might get legendary letters that were on your article.

[00:11:09] [SPEAKER_02]: You know,

[00:11:13] [SPEAKER_02]: And then, you know, we discussed things a little bit in that,

[00:11:17] [SPEAKER_02]: In that thread and sort of went from there.

[00:11:20] [SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, I'd love to hear,

[00:11:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Which is on that one.

[00:11:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. So, but, um,

[00:11:25] [SPEAKER_03]: So, how did you, you know,

[00:11:27] [SPEAKER_03]: First get involved with, with Archie comic?

[00:11:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, with Archie.

[00:11:32] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, so,

[00:11:35] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, is it?

[00:11:35] [SPEAKER_06]: I think it was all because of Twitter.

[00:11:39] [SPEAKER_06]: I think so. Yeah, because

[00:11:42] [SPEAKER_06]: Um, this was during the,

[00:11:44] [SPEAKER_06]: I remember during the obviously during the 2020,

[00:11:46] [SPEAKER_06]: The pandemic years.

[00:11:50] [SPEAKER_06]: People were locked down over here.

[00:11:52] [SPEAKER_06]: It was a little bit more strict, I guess.

[00:11:55] [SPEAKER_06]: Like there were a number of times when there were like,

[00:11:59] [SPEAKER_06]: Um, not, not guards, like,

[00:12:01] [SPEAKER_06]: Like sort of like stations on each street

[00:12:03] [SPEAKER_06]: And where I used to live.

[00:12:06] [SPEAKER_06]: So, to the point that they were really monitoring people like going out anyway.

[00:12:09] [SPEAKER_06]: Um, so we were,

[00:12:12] [SPEAKER_06]: I was very much stuck in,

[00:12:14] [SPEAKER_06]: At my place.

[00:12:15] [SPEAKER_06]: And one of my escapes other than like,

[00:12:18] [SPEAKER_06]: Comics in YouTube was,

[00:12:20] [SPEAKER_06]: Twitter, right?

[00:12:21] [SPEAKER_06]: So that's what I started hanging out more into Twitter.

[00:12:23] [SPEAKER_06]: And of course, I connect with, you know,

[00:12:24] [SPEAKER_06]: I connected with all the editors and all the writers

[00:12:28] [SPEAKER_06]: And, um, the comic's Twitter, I guess.

[00:12:32] [SPEAKER_06]: And I remember when I connected with Jamie,

[00:12:35] [SPEAKER_06]: Like after a few,

[00:12:37] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know, a few months of seeing her on around and Twitter.

[00:12:42] [SPEAKER_06]: I was like, oh, she's,

[00:12:43] [SPEAKER_06]: She's really into like professional wrestling.

[00:12:46] [SPEAKER_06]: So that's better one of my,

[00:12:48] [SPEAKER_06]: My veins.

[00:12:49] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm like, oh, okay, that's cool.

[00:12:50] [SPEAKER_06]: Like, I started, you know, like commenting on her post or whatever.

[00:12:54] [SPEAKER_06]: And got to know her a tiny bit, you know,

[00:12:57] [SPEAKER_06]: Just enough to message her after like a year to,

[00:13:01] [SPEAKER_06]: Um,

[00:13:02] [SPEAKER_06]: Hey, I'm an artist.

[00:13:04] [SPEAKER_06]: Maybe I could send you samples and throw that's what got the ball rolling.

[00:13:09] [SPEAKER_06]: Uh, with Archie,

[00:13:10] [SPEAKER_06]: I first I did like a six-page story in one of the anthology's earlier.

[00:13:17] [SPEAKER_06]: Um, that Jo was into, uh,

[00:13:20] [SPEAKER_06]: And from there it was like a one shot last year,

[00:13:25] [SPEAKER_06]: uh, string science and then this is the third time.

[00:13:27] [SPEAKER_06]: Cardappos, the third time that I worked with,

[00:13:30] [SPEAKER_06]: The, the Archie folks.

[00:13:33] [SPEAKER_03]: That was awesome.

[00:13:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Um, so I wanted to ask you in terms of your approach,

[00:13:38] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, doing something like Cardapp.

[00:13:42] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, do you look at the script first and kind of start to base your designs off of that

[00:13:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Or how much do you go back and,

[00:13:50] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, look at the history of like when Cardapp Cardapp popped up

[00:13:55] [SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, then kind of like,

[00:13:58] [SPEAKER_03]: You take that original design and kind of like modernize it.

[00:14:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Like how do you do it in terms of like, you know,

[00:14:03] [SPEAKER_03]: What the characters look like.

[00:14:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Do you have to,

[00:14:06] [SPEAKER_03]: You pretty close to like what he's looked like before whenever he's popped up?

[00:14:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[00:14:11] [SPEAKER_06]: Right. So, okay.

[00:14:13] [SPEAKER_06]: So first thing I did obviously was to look at the older older comics.

[00:14:21] [SPEAKER_06]: And the Cardapps had like a few appearances in the past 60 years,

[00:14:27] [SPEAKER_06]: But most of his appearances were in the original run in the forties.

[00:14:31] [SPEAKER_06]: So that was that pretty much established his look and that explains like the

[00:14:37] [SPEAKER_06]: The turban thing.

[00:14:39] [SPEAKER_06]: And so he, that's kind of,

[00:14:43] [SPEAKER_06]: I believe Jamie and Van, the editors at our team.

[00:14:46] [SPEAKER_06]: They gave me like some some guidelines and what to work with.

[00:14:50] [SPEAKER_06]: They sent me references including the short story that Joe did with

[00:14:56] [SPEAKER_06]: the first time I was in the first place.

[00:14:58] [SPEAKER_06]: So I was like,

[00:15:01] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm a big,

[00:15:05] [SPEAKER_06]: Continuati guy, like an Easter egg guy even without any input from editorial.

[00:15:10] [SPEAKER_06]: Like I'm just into that stuff.

[00:15:12] [SPEAKER_06]: So I wanted to,

[00:15:14] [SPEAKER_06]: Make sure that I was like,

[00:15:17] [SPEAKER_06]: Giving nod to the,

[00:15:19] [SPEAKER_06]: To what has,

[00:15:20] [SPEAKER_06]: What came before right?

[00:15:26] [SPEAKER_06]: And so I wanted to take like,

[00:15:32] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, take this part from the original for this run.

[00:15:35] [SPEAKER_06]: This part from what Evan did two years ago and just it's a small thing, right?

[00:15:42] [SPEAKER_06]: Like,

[00:15:42] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know who was the first artist to give him the,

[00:15:45] [SPEAKER_06]: He's what he pilot.

[00:15:47] [SPEAKER_06]: What do you call that thing,

[00:15:48] [SPEAKER_06]: the waste coat wrap ribbon thing,

[00:15:51] [SPEAKER_06]: Like a Comber Bon?

[00:15:52] [SPEAKER_06]: Exactly.

[00:15:53] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, there you go.

[00:15:53] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, that's like what do you call that?

[00:15:56] [SPEAKER_06]: Was I,

[00:15:57] [SPEAKER_06]: All right, so let's put that in.

[00:15:58] [SPEAKER_06]: That wasn't in the original,

[00:16:00] [SPEAKER_06]: That was 20, 10 or whatever.

[00:16:04] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, just putting all that.

[00:16:06] [SPEAKER_06]: And then once I figured that out,

[00:16:10] [SPEAKER_06]: We designed Lorna,

[00:16:11] [SPEAKER_06]: Evident, the first thing I don't know of Joe knows is sick.

[00:16:13] [SPEAKER_06]: The first set,

[00:16:14] [SPEAKER_06]: they made me,

[00:16:15] [SPEAKER_06]: The timeline of it worked out that I was doing some designs before seeing the script.

[00:16:20] [SPEAKER_06]: And I remember I did the original version of Lorna,

[00:16:23] [SPEAKER_06]: She was like,

[00:16:25] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know,

[00:16:25] [SPEAKER_06]: Her cactus like the fiancee, right?

[00:16:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah,

[00:16:29] [SPEAKER_06]: That's who she was her identity, right?

[00:16:31] [SPEAKER_06]: So when I was doing the designs,

[00:16:34] [SPEAKER_06]: I did one sketch of her as a cardact assistant,

[00:16:39] [SPEAKER_06]: like wearing like a traditional stage magician assistant,

[00:16:44] [SPEAKER_06]: and dressed, right?

[00:16:47] [SPEAKER_06]: And so when I read the script,

[00:16:49] [SPEAKER_06]: and myself a joke is like,

[00:16:50] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, this perfect,

[00:16:51] [SPEAKER_06]: Like I don't have to,

[00:16:53] [SPEAKER_06]: we were kind of in the same way,

[00:16:55] [SPEAKER_06]: like already,

[00:16:57] [SPEAKER_06]: because I believe Joe added that on to our character

[00:16:59] [SPEAKER_06]: like that aspect of her story, right?

[00:17:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:17:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's it.

[00:17:04] [SPEAKER_06]: There you go.

[00:17:06] [SPEAKER_06]: and then after that,

[00:17:09] [SPEAKER_06]: it was reading through the script,

[00:17:11] [SPEAKER_06]: I guess my process,

[00:17:13] [SPEAKER_06]: and I love when my theory things

[00:17:16] [SPEAKER_06]: is tailoring my style to a particular project.

[00:17:20] [SPEAKER_06]: Like I love changing my style,

[00:17:22] [SPEAKER_06]: or just not not a lot,

[00:17:23] [SPEAKER_06]: just a little bit.

[00:17:26] [SPEAKER_06]: So to,

[00:17:27] [SPEAKER_06]: like I like to read the script

[00:17:30] [SPEAKER_06]: and kind of see the comic that plays in my mind,

[00:17:33] [SPEAKER_06]: and try to imagine,

[00:17:34] [SPEAKER_06]: oh, if I was a,

[00:17:35] [SPEAKER_06]: I was buying this comic,

[00:17:36] [SPEAKER_06]: what kind of art would I see?

[00:17:39] [SPEAKER_06]: Would it make sense for me?

[00:17:40] [SPEAKER_06]: And that's where I start off with,

[00:17:44] [SPEAKER_06]: with any project.

[00:17:46] [SPEAKER_06]: And part of course,

[00:17:47] [SPEAKER_06]: like just looking at it and looking at the script,

[00:17:50] [SPEAKER_06]: the direction that Joe was going,

[00:17:52] [SPEAKER_06]: it felt more of,

[00:17:55] [SPEAKER_06]: like I'm encroaching creepy kind of horror,

[00:17:58] [SPEAKER_06]: by instead of,

[00:17:59] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know,

[00:18:00] [SPEAKER_06]: like body horror or like,

[00:18:02] [SPEAKER_06]: job scare monsters.

[00:18:04] [SPEAKER_06]: Sure.

[00:18:05] [SPEAKER_06]: So yeah.

[00:18:05] [SPEAKER_06]: So that's kind of the direction that I went with to start things off.

[00:18:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, okay.

[00:18:11] [SPEAKER_03]: And I wanted to ask in particular,

[00:18:13] [SPEAKER_03]: because the comic kind of opens and

[00:18:17] [SPEAKER_03]: there's the opening of it,

[00:18:18] [SPEAKER_03]: and then it,

[00:18:19] [SPEAKER_03]: I guess goes back a few months.

[00:18:22] [SPEAKER_03]: And the one thing I liked about Cardiac,

[00:18:24] [SPEAKER_03]: you know,

[00:18:25] [SPEAKER_03]: because you never know when you see,

[00:18:26] [SPEAKER_03]: you know,

[00:18:26] [SPEAKER_03]: the cover and it's a great cover by the way,

[00:18:29] [SPEAKER_03]: but,

[00:18:30] [SPEAKER_03]: but Cardiac,

[00:18:31] [SPEAKER_03]: the mystic,

[00:18:31] [SPEAKER_03]: like you don't know,

[00:18:32] [SPEAKER_03]: is this guy going to be a bit of a charlatan

[00:18:34] [SPEAKER_03]: or what's his,

[00:18:36] [SPEAKER_03]: his whole deal?

[00:18:37] [SPEAKER_03]: And he's,

[00:18:38] [SPEAKER_03]: he's a good magician.

[00:18:38] [SPEAKER_03]: But this is the audience's,

[00:18:40] [SPEAKER_03]: it opens up,

[00:18:41] [SPEAKER_03]: you know,

[00:18:41] [SPEAKER_03]: when it flashes back,

[00:18:43] [SPEAKER_03]: the audience is like,

[00:18:43] [SPEAKER_03]: don't kind of seem into it.

[00:18:46] [SPEAKER_03]: But he is,

[00:18:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. He's,

[00:18:47] [SPEAKER_03]: he's a working magician.

[00:18:49] [SPEAKER_03]: He's good at his job.

[00:18:52] [SPEAKER_03]: But when it,

[00:18:53] [SPEAKER_03]: when first opens up and it shows,

[00:18:55] [SPEAKER_03]: he does a trick where he's,

[00:18:57] [SPEAKER_03]: you know,

[00:18:57] [SPEAKER_03]: kind of goes invisible.

[00:18:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Did it take you a while to settle on,

[00:19:02] [SPEAKER_03]: like that effect?

[00:19:03] [SPEAKER_03]: And what was the,

[00:19:04] [SPEAKER_03]: the interplay of like your line work

[00:19:06] [SPEAKER_03]: and the coloring to get that look right,

[00:19:09] [SPEAKER_03]: every time,

[00:19:10] [SPEAKER_03]: you know,

[00:19:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Cardiac has to be invisible.

[00:19:13] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[00:19:14] [SPEAKER_06]: Okay.

[00:19:15] [SPEAKER_06]: So the invisibility thing,

[00:19:18] [SPEAKER_06]: so the,

[00:19:19] [SPEAKER_06]: the low-highing fruit would be something like,

[00:19:21] [SPEAKER_06]: I draw Cardiac on a separate layer,

[00:19:26] [SPEAKER_06]: and just changes transparency,

[00:19:28] [SPEAKER_06]: I guess,

[00:19:29] [SPEAKER_06]: like,

[00:19:29] [SPEAKER_06]: that's how I think most people would see how,

[00:19:32] [SPEAKER_06]: with the envisioning visibility would work,

[00:19:34] [SPEAKER_06]: like it gets more transparent,

[00:19:36] [SPEAKER_06]: like it gets a little dispersed, right?

[00:19:38] Right.

[00:19:38] [SPEAKER_06]: But I was thinking,

[00:19:39] [SPEAKER_06]: oh,

[00:19:40] [SPEAKER_06]: this is horrible, right?

[00:19:41] [SPEAKER_06]: So it has to be something more,

[00:19:43] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know,

[00:19:44] [SPEAKER_06]: like,

[00:19:44] [SPEAKER_06]: gritty,

[00:19:44] [SPEAKER_06]: I guess,

[00:19:45] [SPEAKER_06]: really like a gritty effect.

[00:19:47] [SPEAKER_06]: So I was like,

[00:19:48] [SPEAKER_06]: I see like a lot of effects in movies,

[00:19:50] [SPEAKER_06]: like when the character,

[00:19:51] [SPEAKER_06]: teleports are disappears,

[00:19:52] [SPEAKER_06]: like when they,

[00:19:55] [SPEAKER_06]: usually with like dark,

[00:19:56] [SPEAKER_06]: like a factor,

[00:19:56] [SPEAKER_06]: like a dark silhouette,

[00:19:59] [SPEAKER_06]: like,

[00:19:59] [SPEAKER_06]: like disintegrate,

[00:20:00] [SPEAKER_06]: and to like whatever,

[00:20:01] [SPEAKER_06]: like sometimes it's like,

[00:20:01] [SPEAKER_06]: usually it's like,

[00:20:03] [SPEAKER_06]: blah,

[00:20:03] [SPEAKER_06]: something like that,

[00:20:04] [SPEAKER_06]: like kind of effect,

[00:20:05] [SPEAKER_06]: you know what I mean?

[00:20:07] [SPEAKER_06]: So I was thinking,

[00:20:08] [SPEAKER_06]: trying,

[00:20:08] [SPEAKER_06]: let's try to replicate that,

[00:20:10] [SPEAKER_06]: because our next,

[00:20:12] [SPEAKER_06]: is,

[00:20:12] [SPEAKER_06]: is,

[00:20:13] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm finished,

[00:20:13] [SPEAKER_06]: like all black, right?

[00:20:14] [SPEAKER_06]: All black,

[00:20:15] [SPEAKER_06]: it's easy to play with,

[00:20:16] [SPEAKER_06]: with shapes.

[00:20:19] [SPEAKER_06]: And my original version,

[00:20:20] [SPEAKER_06]: what I wanted to do,

[00:20:22] [SPEAKER_06]: was with those to have them like,

[00:20:25] [SPEAKER_06]: disappear in layers,

[00:20:26] [SPEAKER_06]: like it's closed with disintegrate,

[00:20:29] [SPEAKER_06]: and it's flesh,

[00:20:30] [SPEAKER_06]: and then you'd see like a little bit of bone

[00:20:32] [SPEAKER_06]: and muscle in it.

[00:20:32] [SPEAKER_06]: Like that,

[00:20:33] [SPEAKER_06]: in my head,

[00:20:34] [SPEAKER_06]: I was like,

[00:20:34] [SPEAKER_06]: oh, this is like a perfect horror way to do

[00:20:37] [SPEAKER_06]: invisibility, right?

[00:20:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:20:39] [SPEAKER_05]: But yeah,

[00:20:40] [SPEAKER_06]: it was a little too complicated,

[00:20:41] [SPEAKER_06]: I think it would have been involved,

[00:20:44] [SPEAKER_06]: it would have been a little too,

[00:20:44] [SPEAKER_06]: too time consuming.

[00:20:45] [SPEAKER_06]: Over in the first page,

[00:20:46] [SPEAKER_06]: you can see a little bit of,

[00:20:48] [SPEAKER_06]: what you call that bone,

[00:20:49] [SPEAKER_06]: the big bone on the leg,

[00:20:52] [SPEAKER_06]: the femer.

[00:20:53] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, yeah, there you go.

[00:20:56] [SPEAKER_06]: So yes,

[00:20:56] [SPEAKER_06]: I ended up with just,

[00:20:59] [SPEAKER_06]: playing around with,

[00:20:59] [SPEAKER_06]: I worked digitally,

[00:21:00] [SPEAKER_06]: so I played around with the,

[00:21:01] [SPEAKER_06]: brush settings,

[00:21:03] [SPEAKER_06]: so I came up with like,

[00:21:05] [SPEAKER_06]: yeah,

[00:21:06] [SPEAKER_06]: like,

[00:21:07] [SPEAKER_06]: the disintegrating into like these particles that are like,

[00:21:10] [SPEAKER_06]: you can see the effect,

[00:21:11] [SPEAKER_06]: I guess if you play like a movie,

[00:21:12] [SPEAKER_06]: it's like going upwards from this feet.

[00:21:16] [SPEAKER_06]: That's how I envisioned it.

[00:21:17] [SPEAKER_06]: And then what,

[00:21:19] [SPEAKER_06]: Ellie did,

[00:21:19] [SPEAKER_06]: which was so cool,

[00:21:20] [SPEAKER_06]: what she added,

[00:21:23] [SPEAKER_06]: a color effect on top of it, right?

[00:21:25] [SPEAKER_06]: Like this kind of,

[00:21:26] [SPEAKER_06]: instead of like,

[00:21:27] [SPEAKER_06]: playing black,

[00:21:28] [SPEAKER_06]: it's like,

[00:21:28] [SPEAKER_06]: she added like a greenish kind of energy,

[00:21:31] [SPEAKER_06]: spiritual energy kind of,

[00:21:33] [SPEAKER_06]: the ethereal effect on top of it.

[00:21:35] [SPEAKER_06]: which yeah,

[00:21:36] [SPEAKER_06]: I thought that was so brilliant.

[00:21:37] [SPEAKER_06]: I did not expect that at all.

[00:21:39] [SPEAKER_06]: I was like,

[00:21:39] [SPEAKER_06]: oh, this,

[00:21:40] [SPEAKER_06]: it's like,

[00:21:41] [SPEAKER_06]: it's like a special effect,

[00:21:43] [SPEAKER_06]: but it,

[00:21:43] [SPEAKER_06]: but it still works within the original way that I envisioned it.

[00:21:47] [SPEAKER_06]: So that was,

[00:21:48] [SPEAKER_06]: that was amazing.

[00:21:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah,

[00:21:50] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean,

[00:21:50] [SPEAKER_03]: I've really like,

[00:21:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Ellie writes,

[00:21:53] [SPEAKER_03]: coloring and especially in this,

[00:21:56] [SPEAKER_03]: I really like the effect,

[00:21:57] [SPEAKER_03]: the two of you working together on that in particular,

[00:22:00] [SPEAKER_03]: I thought was effective.

[00:22:02] [SPEAKER_03]: But it's just talk about the story a little bit.

[00:22:05] [SPEAKER_03]: So cardact,

[00:22:06] [SPEAKER_03]: domestic,

[00:22:07] [SPEAKER_03]: like I said,

[00:22:07] [SPEAKER_03]: he's a working magician.

[00:22:10] [SPEAKER_03]: He's good at his job,

[00:22:11] [SPEAKER_03]: but the crowds aren't really there.

[00:22:13] [SPEAKER_03]: And he kind of has an opportunity to,

[00:22:16] [SPEAKER_03]: you know,

[00:22:16] [SPEAKER_03]: get an amulet that seems to have maybe some actual,

[00:22:20] [SPEAKER_03]: magical properties and,

[00:22:24] [SPEAKER_03]: he gets fame and,

[00:22:25] [SPEAKER_03]: as some,

[00:22:26] [SPEAKER_03]: sometimes happens fame,

[00:22:28] [SPEAKER_03]: there's always a price to pay.

[00:22:29] [SPEAKER_03]: It is essentially,

[00:22:30] [SPEAKER_03]: you know,

[00:22:31] [SPEAKER_03]: the story of it.

[00:22:33] [SPEAKER_03]: And it kind of goes on from there and,

[00:22:35] [SPEAKER_03]: there's some very interesting,

[00:22:37] [SPEAKER_03]: malevolent horses that,

[00:22:39] [SPEAKER_03]: that creep into the panels as,

[00:22:41] [SPEAKER_03]: as the story continues.

[00:22:43] [SPEAKER_03]: So,

[00:22:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Joe,

[00:22:44] [SPEAKER_03]: what was it that you wanted to take,

[00:22:45] [SPEAKER_03]: you know,

[00:22:47] [SPEAKER_03]: superhero slash magician and,

[00:22:49] [SPEAKER_03]: and kind of make it a story about,

[00:22:53] [SPEAKER_03]: you know,

[00:22:53] [SPEAKER_03]: the,

[00:22:54] [SPEAKER_03]: I guess the pitfalls of fame or one in fame at any cost.

[00:22:59] [SPEAKER_03]: What was there anything in particular about cardact

[00:23:01] [SPEAKER_03]: or maybe something you did in the story before that you thought

[00:23:04] [SPEAKER_03]: that was a good direction to take it into

[00:23:06] [SPEAKER_03]: or that you wanted to explore?

[00:23:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah,

[00:23:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean,

[00:23:10] [SPEAKER_02]: I wanted to do something that was a bit,

[00:23:14] [SPEAKER_02]: timeless of a,

[00:23:15] [SPEAKER_02]: like,

[00:23:16] [SPEAKER_02]: like,

[00:23:16] [SPEAKER_02]: story that could also serve a bit as like an origin story

[00:23:20] [SPEAKER_02]: if need be,

[00:23:22] [SPEAKER_02]: like,

[00:23:22] [SPEAKER_02]: so if,

[00:23:23] [SPEAKER_02]: or if,

[00:23:24] [SPEAKER_02]: you know,

[00:23:25] [SPEAKER_02]: like,

[00:23:25] [SPEAKER_02]: it was interesting in how cardact was built up.

[00:23:30] [SPEAKER_02]: It's,

[00:23:30] [SPEAKER_02]: it's like,

[00:23:32] [SPEAKER_02]: it's ready to go,

[00:23:33] [SPEAKER_02]: you know,

[00:23:33] [SPEAKER_02]: someone could just sort of take it and run with it,

[00:23:36] [SPEAKER_02]: whether it's,

[00:23:37] [SPEAKER_02]: you know,

[00:23:37] [SPEAKER_02]: me or another writer,

[00:23:40] [SPEAKER_02]: he's added to a team or whatever the case may be.

[00:23:43] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like,

[00:23:44] [SPEAKER_02]: okay,

[00:23:45] [SPEAKER_02]: origins done.

[00:23:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Like,

[00:23:46] [SPEAKER_02]: there's no needing to go back or,

[00:23:49] [SPEAKER_02]: you know,

[00:23:49] [SPEAKER_02]: try to piece together like who is cardac.

[00:23:52] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like,

[00:23:52] [SPEAKER_02]: no,

[00:23:52] [SPEAKER_02]: this is the origin story of,

[00:23:55] [SPEAKER_02]: of this character.

[00:23:56] [SPEAKER_02]: That's sort of what I was thinking of,

[00:23:58] [SPEAKER_02]: you know,

[00:23:59] [SPEAKER_02]: in terms of this,

[00:23:59] [SPEAKER_02]: just to set up a character.

[00:24:01] [SPEAKER_02]: And that seems like a natural way to sort of,

[00:24:04] [SPEAKER_02]: how it,

[00:24:05] [SPEAKER_02]: like a natural way that's like familiar enough because,

[00:24:09] [SPEAKER_02]: you want a story like this to be,

[00:24:12] [SPEAKER_02]: you know,

[00:24:13] [SPEAKER_02]: it's have some familiar elements to it right?

[00:24:16] [SPEAKER_02]: People aren't familiar with cardact.

[00:24:19] [SPEAKER_02]: You know,

[00:24:19] [SPEAKER_02]: like more likely than not never heard of the character before,

[00:24:23] [SPEAKER_02]: uh,

[00:24:24] [SPEAKER_02]: seeing this comic and picking it up.

[00:24:27] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like,

[00:24:28] [SPEAKER_02]: okay,

[00:24:28] [SPEAKER_02]: maybe I don't get cardact with,

[00:24:30] [SPEAKER_02]: you like,

[00:24:30] [SPEAKER_02]: oh,

[00:24:32] [SPEAKER_02]: the story of like,

[00:24:34] [SPEAKER_02]: you know,

[00:24:34] [SPEAKER_02]: temptation and the,

[00:24:35] [SPEAKER_02]: it falls a famine all that,

[00:24:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I, you know, it's that the story itself is something

[00:24:44] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's digestible that you can wrap around

[00:24:49] [SPEAKER_02]: and get something out.

[00:24:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah.

[00:24:52] [SPEAKER_03]: No, I agree.

[00:24:54] [SPEAKER_03]: I just didn't know if there was,

[00:24:55] [SPEAKER_03]: you know, anything in particular that spoke to you.

[00:24:59] [SPEAKER_03]: But of course, that makes a lot of sense.

[00:25:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, I really like some of the elements

[00:25:05] [SPEAKER_03]: in the story that I, you know,

[00:25:07] [SPEAKER_03]: something like cardact where, you know,

[00:25:11] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not familiar with a character.

[00:25:13] [SPEAKER_03]: I really like the story, but there was a lot of things

[00:25:15] [SPEAKER_03]: in it and maybe butch this goes to what you said as well

[00:25:18] [SPEAKER_03]: about like Easter eggs or hiding things in there.

[00:25:21] [SPEAKER_03]: I like I wanted to find out, I didn't have a ton of time today

[00:25:24] [SPEAKER_03]: but I wanted to find out more, you know,

[00:25:27] [SPEAKER_03]: like the creepy lady that sold them to amulet

[00:25:30] [SPEAKER_03]: and then there's, I don't want to spoil it.

[00:25:33] [SPEAKER_03]: There's one paddle in particular

[00:25:36] [SPEAKER_03]: where I was just like, yeah, that's Joe is,

[00:25:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Joe is miming it.

[00:25:42] [SPEAKER_03]: On the podcast for Butch and I.

[00:25:48] [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, that paddle and I was like, okay, no way.

[00:25:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Now who's that?

[00:25:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Like what's her deal?

[00:25:52] [SPEAKER_03]: She's got to be something,

[00:25:54] [SPEAKER_03]: she's got to be somewhere in the lore, I think.

[00:25:56] [SPEAKER_03]: We're maybe not on the right.

[00:25:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, there were definitely things

[00:25:59] [SPEAKER_03]: that I wanted to know more about.

[00:26:01] [SPEAKER_03]: And then in terms of the malevolent presence

[00:26:04] [SPEAKER_03]: that starts showing up when Cardiac is using this amulet,

[00:26:09] [SPEAKER_03]: butch, you know, not to ask you another kind of design

[00:26:12] [SPEAKER_03]: question.

[00:26:13] [SPEAKER_03]: But was that something you came up with whole cloth?

[00:26:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Was there any type of like old, you know, cardac or archie

[00:26:21] [SPEAKER_03]: villain that had elements of that because, you know,

[00:26:24] [SPEAKER_03]: as Joe was saying, I understand that Cardiac had some,

[00:26:27] [SPEAKER_03]: so pretty, pretty wild golden age adversaries.

[00:26:35] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[00:26:35] [SPEAKER_06]: So the villain changed a little bit

[00:26:38] [SPEAKER_06]: while we were doing this story.

[00:26:41] [SPEAKER_06]: So the original Joe was gonna give the starting idea,

[00:26:46] [SPEAKER_06]: I guess, or concept for the villain,

[00:26:50] [SPEAKER_06]: envisioned like a taller,

[00:26:52] [SPEAKER_06]: like a taller thinner creature

[00:26:55] [SPEAKER_06]: and a thing, right?

[00:26:57] [SPEAKER_06]: And I felt like it made so much sense

[00:27:00] [SPEAKER_06]: because this is a character that was sort of sliding

[00:27:04] [SPEAKER_06]: into different planes of reality, right?

[00:27:08] [SPEAKER_06]: He's trying to squeeze in through,

[00:27:10] [SPEAKER_06]: I guess, gaps to our reality.

[00:27:13] [SPEAKER_06]: Like that's the concept of the villain.

[00:27:14] [SPEAKER_06]: So him being thinner, I don't know,

[00:27:19] [SPEAKER_06]: just kind of fit into that.

[00:27:20] [SPEAKER_06]: So that's where I started off with my initial design.

[00:27:25] [SPEAKER_06]: And just working out ideas, I guess,

[00:27:29] [SPEAKER_06]: I sent a few pictures to the concept of a creature coming through.

[00:27:34] [SPEAKER_06]: So it was, it was some really creepy ones actually,

[00:27:38] [SPEAKER_06]: but like involving, I don't know, like childbirth

[00:27:41] [SPEAKER_06]: and stuff like that, like, and the most giving birth,

[00:27:43] [SPEAKER_06]: like really messed up things.

[00:27:47] [SPEAKER_06]: And I don't know if you should,

[00:27:49] [SPEAKER_06]: I guess we could talk about that.

[00:27:51] [SPEAKER_06]: The actual, like going,

[00:27:54] [SPEAKER_06]: while we're reading through the old part of comics.

[00:27:58] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, one villain who appeared that I was like,

[00:28:02] [SPEAKER_06]: oh, that kind of makes sense with our story.

[00:28:07] [SPEAKER_06]: Okay, character, let's see.

[00:28:10] [SPEAKER_06]: The character actually knows.

[00:28:15] [SPEAKER_06]: But yeah, that's why I was like,

[00:28:17] [SPEAKER_06]: oh, wait, what do you guys think about this idea?

[00:28:22] [SPEAKER_06]: Like let's use this existing character

[00:28:24] [SPEAKER_06]: that are making a new, a newer one, right?

[00:28:27] [SPEAKER_06]: And I was so happy that the editors and Joe were on board

[00:28:32] [SPEAKER_06]: with that.

[00:28:33] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh yeah.

[00:28:35] [SPEAKER_06]: It just made sense because dramatically

[00:28:37] [SPEAKER_06]: this character from the 40s somehow worked

[00:28:40] [SPEAKER_06]: with pretty well with the concept of Joe's story.

[00:28:45] [SPEAKER_06]: And I think it's just so cool that

[00:28:48] [SPEAKER_06]: so the appeared in one story before in 1940.

[00:28:53] [SPEAKER_06]: And then the second appearance is like,

[00:28:54] [SPEAKER_06]: 80 years later, like, that was like,

[00:28:57] [SPEAKER_06]: that's gonna be something like a record.

[00:28:59] [SPEAKER_06]: It's the same character, it's like official,

[00:29:01] [SPEAKER_06]: it's the same thing dude.

[00:29:04] [SPEAKER_06]: So yeah, that's how I came up with it.

[00:29:06] [SPEAKER_06]: Like a lot of, where the whole concept was like,

[00:29:09] [SPEAKER_06]: a lot of breaking through,

[00:29:11] [SPEAKER_06]: so there's cracks in the characters appearance,

[00:29:14] [SPEAKER_06]: like, please shattering through things,

[00:29:18] [SPEAKER_06]: right, concept of being unseen first.

[00:29:22] [SPEAKER_06]: So you can see like his,

[00:29:24] [SPEAKER_06]: he's wearing a cloak and it's like it fades out into,

[00:29:28] [SPEAKER_06]: it's transparent to those invisible to like smoky

[00:29:31] [SPEAKER_06]: kind of like a lot of that I think.

[00:29:33] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, it is the basic ingredients for this story's villain.

[00:29:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, I really liked it.

[00:29:40] [SPEAKER_03]: I liked every time, you know, the character appeared.

[00:29:43] [SPEAKER_03]: And then there were a few times

[00:29:44] [SPEAKER_03]: where I usually read an issue twice before a pot,

[00:29:47] [SPEAKER_03]: the podcast and there were a few times

[00:29:50] [SPEAKER_03]: where I missed, you know, just like reading too fast

[00:29:53] [SPEAKER_03]: and I went back through it again

[00:29:54] [SPEAKER_03]: and I was like, oh, there it is, there it is.

[00:29:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.

[00:29:58] [SPEAKER_03]: And I really liked every time, yeah,

[00:30:01] [SPEAKER_03]: every time it popped up,

[00:30:02] [SPEAKER_03]: like the sense of dread and tension,

[00:30:06] [SPEAKER_03]: you know, really built well, you know?

[00:30:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[00:30:11] [SPEAKER_03]: And that's kind of an important

[00:30:13] [SPEAKER_03]: and can be somewhat difficult to do

[00:30:15] [SPEAKER_03]: with pacing and a comic,

[00:30:17] [SPEAKER_03]: but I really liked how that all played out.

[00:30:21] [SPEAKER_04]: All right, let's take a quick break.

[00:30:31] [SPEAKER_04]: After a string of unexplained disappearances

[00:30:33] [SPEAKER_04]: in the southern parts of the United States

[00:30:35] [SPEAKER_04]: retired detective Clint searches for his white trash brother.

[00:30:39] [SPEAKER_04]: While searching for him, he ends up being abducted

[00:30:41] [SPEAKER_04]: by aliens.

[00:30:43] [SPEAKER_04]: He is now in the arena for big guns, stupid rednecks

[00:30:46] [SPEAKER_04]: an intergalactic cable's newest hit show

[00:30:49] [SPEAKER_04]: which puts him and he other humans

[00:30:51] [SPEAKER_04]: in laser gun, gladiatorial combat

[00:30:53] [SPEAKER_04]: and his brother is the reigning champion

[00:30:56] [SPEAKER_04]: with 27 kills.

[00:30:58] [SPEAKER_04]: That's the premise for a new book from Bandabarans,

[00:31:01] [SPEAKER_04]: big guns, stupid rednecks.

[00:31:03] [SPEAKER_04]: I got a chance to see an advanced preview of this book

[00:31:05] [SPEAKER_04]: and being from the south, honestly,

[00:31:07] [SPEAKER_04]: as a bit skeptical going in,

[00:31:09] [SPEAKER_04]: but they won me over

[00:31:10] [SPEAKER_04]: and nothing is more powerful

[00:31:11] [SPEAKER_04]: than an initially skeptic convert to my book.

[00:31:14] [SPEAKER_04]: In Jimmy's words, big guns, stupid rednecks

[00:31:17] [SPEAKER_04]: is many things, but it isn't subtle.

[00:31:19] [SPEAKER_04]: It tells you exactly what it is up front

[00:31:21] [SPEAKER_04]: then it delivers with a great premise of fantastic art

[00:31:23] [SPEAKER_04]: and a whole mess of fun.

[00:31:25] [SPEAKER_04]: I had a great time reading big guns, stupid rednecks

[00:31:28] [SPEAKER_04]: and what I thought was going to be

[00:31:29] [SPEAKER_04]: an indictment of redneck culture quickly showed

[00:31:31] [SPEAKER_04]: it was actually a love letter.

[00:31:33] [SPEAKER_04]: A family mystery, brother pitted against brother aliens,

[00:31:37] [SPEAKER_04]: fighting for profit and a big arena,

[00:31:38] [SPEAKER_04]: this truly has it all.

[00:31:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Issue one is out already,

[00:31:41] [SPEAKER_04]: but you can still pick up a copy

[00:31:43] [SPEAKER_04]: on the Bandabarans website

[00:31:44] [SPEAKER_04]: and create issues that are available

[00:31:46] [SPEAKER_04]: via your previous or lunar order form

[00:31:48] [SPEAKER_04]: or just ask your LCS, don't miss it.

[00:31:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Let's get back to the show.

[00:31:52] [SPEAKER_03]: When you do something like this,

[00:31:54] [SPEAKER_03]: like, do you have to wait a while to find out

[00:31:57] [SPEAKER_03]: if there is going to be another cardact,

[00:32:01] [SPEAKER_03]: like somewhere down the line?

[00:32:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Like, is that ever,

[00:32:04] [SPEAKER_03]: will we know if we'll be seeing more cardact?

[00:32:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I mean, I suppose it's,

[00:32:14] [SPEAKER_02]: guess the short answer is probably too early.

[00:32:19] [SPEAKER_02]: One way to solve this would be to get this

[00:32:21] [SPEAKER_02]: to sell out at the distributor levels

[00:32:23] [SPEAKER_02]: so people would like to,

[00:32:26] [SPEAKER_02]: it doesn't matter that it came out on the 14th.

[00:32:30] [SPEAKER_02]: You can still buy it.

[00:32:31] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not milk.

[00:32:32] [SPEAKER_02]: You can buy it.

[00:32:34] [SPEAKER_03]: It's a real go band.

[00:32:35] [SPEAKER_03]: It won't go band.

[00:32:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so if you don't need to store it

[00:32:38] [SPEAKER_03]: in your fridge.

[00:32:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and it is genuinely a one-and-done story.

[00:32:46] [SPEAKER_02]: You don't need the background or anything like that

[00:32:49] [SPEAKER_02]: and not only that there's back matter

[00:32:54] [SPEAKER_02]: that goes into the history of the character

[00:32:57] [SPEAKER_02]: a little bit as well so even though you don't even

[00:33:00] [SPEAKER_02]: necessarily need that.

[00:33:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Boom, you're getting everything you need an extra.

[00:33:07] [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm very happy with how it came out.

[00:33:10] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it looks gorgeous.

[00:33:15] [SPEAKER_02]: I think overall, it seems like people have been happy with it.

[00:33:21] [SPEAKER_02]: So make everybody happy by selling it out

[00:33:25] [SPEAKER_02]: at the distributor level.

[00:33:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I can't stress that enough.

[00:33:31] [SPEAKER_02]: But you know, then beyond that,

[00:33:33] [SPEAKER_02]: this was built to me as a one-shot.

[00:33:38] [SPEAKER_02]: And Archie has been doing a number of one shots

[00:33:42] [SPEAKER_02]: with the horror realm and the superhero around.

[00:33:46] [SPEAKER_02]: There was the Javar one shot earlier this year.

[00:33:52] [SPEAKER_02]: So we're now seeing, I believe what was it?

[00:33:55] [SPEAKER_02]: The curse library is the second of these Archie mini series.

[00:33:59] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, the first of being a judgment day.

[00:34:03] [SPEAKER_02]: So we are seeing sort of this expansion

[00:34:06] [SPEAKER_02]: into like three-assue mini series

[00:34:09] [SPEAKER_02]: that Archie's doing.

[00:34:12] [SPEAKER_02]: So the next step could be another one shot.

[00:34:15] [SPEAKER_02]: The next step could be,

[00:34:17] [SPEAKER_02]: maybe a team up with some of these heroes.

[00:34:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe it's Jaguar, Cardiac, a couple of these cards.

[00:34:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Who know?

[00:34:27] [SPEAKER_02]: But the options are there.

[00:34:30] [SPEAKER_02]: If there's demand, if there's interest,

[00:34:33] [SPEAKER_02]: if you like the comic,

[00:34:36] [SPEAKER_02]: you know, post about it, make a video about it.

[00:34:41] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, do a TikTok like all the kids do.

[00:34:46] [SPEAKER_02]: But now I mean,

[00:34:48] [SPEAKER_02]: you can post about it and tell your friend,

[00:34:50] [SPEAKER_02]: like get the word out

[00:34:52] [SPEAKER_02]: and people are gonna be like, you know.

[00:34:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, then people can't stop talking about this cardact guy.

[00:34:58] [SPEAKER_02]: I want to know more about this cardact guy.

[00:35:00] [SPEAKER_02]: And then when people find out,

[00:35:02] [SPEAKER_02]: there isn't that much more in recent years of the cardact.

[00:35:06] [SPEAKER_02]: That's gonna put pressure on to be like,

[00:35:08] [SPEAKER_02]: we got a, we got a satisfying,

[00:35:12] [SPEAKER_02]: this, you know, demand at the customer level

[00:35:16] [SPEAKER_02]: for more cardact.

[00:35:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I would like that.

[00:35:19] [SPEAKER_03]: That last panel, that last page.

[00:35:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I want to know, I want to know what happens next.

[00:35:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I'll do my part, Joe.

[00:35:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.

[00:35:29] [SPEAKER_03]: But your cover, I really like your cover, but also

[00:35:34] [SPEAKER_03]: for folks out there who like variant cover,

[00:35:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Skyler Patridge did a variant cover for this.

[00:35:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:35:41] [SPEAKER_03]: There's stuff.

[00:35:42] [SPEAKER_03]: So good is, yeah.

[00:35:45] [SPEAKER_03]: And I would like, you get a little history lesson on Cardiac.

[00:35:49] [SPEAKER_03]: And I was so cruel, you know, even in the digital version,

[00:35:52] [SPEAKER_03]: they sent me to review.

[00:35:54] [SPEAKER_03]: There was the, like the ads for like you mentioned,

[00:35:58] [SPEAKER_03]: the curse library, just as we record this,

[00:36:02] [SPEAKER_03]: I think the first part comes out,

[00:36:05] [SPEAKER_03]: oh, my, my, my,

[00:36:06] [SPEAKER_03]: my, it came out yesterday as we're recording this.

[00:36:08] [SPEAKER_03]: And then the week through that,

[00:36:10] [SPEAKER_03]: there's another one shot, Archie, the decision,

[00:36:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Tom King and Dan Parent.

[00:36:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I was, I was even thrilled with,

[00:36:22] [SPEAKER_03]: you know, going through and looking at all the other

[00:36:24] [SPEAKER_03]: one shots and other comics that are coming out.

[00:36:27] [SPEAKER_03]: You're not having a great,

[00:36:28] [SPEAKER_03]: the reality with Archie, but a lot of that stuff

[00:36:31] [SPEAKER_03]: looks, you know, fantastic.

[00:36:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:36:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:36:37] [SPEAKER_02]: I'll also add, you know, if you want to see all

[00:36:39] [SPEAKER_02]: should do more mini series,

[00:36:41] [SPEAKER_02]: you're like, yeah, love one shots,

[00:36:43] [SPEAKER_02]: but I really love for them to do more of these,

[00:36:46] [SPEAKER_02]: like three issue mini series.

[00:36:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Heck, come up.

[00:36:50] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, order it.

[00:36:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:36:52] [SPEAKER_02]: That's a sellout to distribute a level.

[00:36:54] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, get a poll going at a shop, I mean,

[00:37:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Archie,

[00:37:02] [SPEAKER_02]: plopies, you know, there's really the output lately

[00:37:08] [SPEAKER_02]: for their floppy.

[00:37:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Is this, you're usually not getting more than, you know,

[00:37:14] [SPEAKER_02]: one a week or, you know,

[00:37:15] [SPEAKER_02]: it's like, maybe four or five a month.

[00:37:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, it's not a big numbers.

[00:37:19] [SPEAKER_02]: So another thing you could potentially do

[00:37:22] [SPEAKER_02]: if you're, if you're loving what Archie's doing,

[00:37:24] [SPEAKER_02]: ask your shop all the new Archie popies.

[00:37:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:37:31] [SPEAKER_03]: And absolutely, I, I sell in the podcast.

[00:37:34] [SPEAKER_03]: One of the best things you can do is, you know,

[00:37:35] [SPEAKER_03]: if you like comics, if you want to support creators,

[00:37:39] [SPEAKER_03]: start a poll list at your shop, go in and tell them

[00:37:42] [SPEAKER_03]: you want the, you know, tell me,

[00:37:44] [SPEAKER_03]: you want the comics so that they're there,

[00:37:46] [SPEAKER_03]: so that they don't sell out.

[00:37:48] [SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, whether or not you can go right into your shop

[00:37:50] [SPEAKER_03]: or do something like comic cover, go to Archie's website

[00:37:55] [SPEAKER_03]: and get yourself the, the issue.

[00:37:57] [SPEAKER_03]: I really, you know, I really enjoyed it.

[00:38:00] [SPEAKER_03]: I thought it was a really fun story.

[00:38:03] [SPEAKER_03]: I butch loved your artwork on it.

[00:38:05] [SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, I'm a big fan of Ellie Wright's colors.

[00:38:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:38:08] [SPEAKER_03]: And you're not going to go wrong with Jack Morelle,

[00:38:09] [SPEAKER_03]: he lettering it.

[00:38:11] [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah.

[00:38:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Absolutely.

[00:38:12] [SPEAKER_03]: It was fantastic.

[00:38:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.

[00:38:14] [SPEAKER_03]: So I wanted to ask in terms of, are there any other things

[00:38:18] [SPEAKER_03]: that you want to, you know, mention to listeners

[00:38:20] [SPEAKER_03]: that you either have coming out or are working on?

[00:38:24] [SPEAKER_03]: And no sometimes with comics,

[00:38:26] [SPEAKER_03]: you can't always, you know, talk about things yet,

[00:38:28] [SPEAKER_03]: which we certainly understand,

[00:38:29] [SPEAKER_03]: but I don't know if there's anything else you,

[00:38:31] [SPEAKER_03]: you have coming out.

[00:38:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I guess I can announce it now

[00:38:38] [SPEAKER_02]: because an article dropped today about it.

[00:38:43] [SPEAKER_02]: I am going to be editing the green Hornet reboot

[00:38:49] [SPEAKER_02]: that Dynamite's doing.

[00:38:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, awesome.

[00:38:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:38:54] [SPEAKER_02]: So that'll be more info on that in, you know,

[00:38:57] [SPEAKER_02]: the coming weeks, but it's been announced.

[00:39:00] [SPEAKER_02]: We got them.

[00:39:01] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, what was it?

[00:39:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Francisco, for Villa covers, we've got Jane Lee is doing,

[00:39:09] [SPEAKER_02]: you know, covers there, so yeah.

[00:39:10] [SPEAKER_02]: So it looks good.

[00:39:12] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a misfury crossover as well.

[00:39:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, wow.

[00:39:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so I didn't plan for this to happen,

[00:39:23] [SPEAKER_02]: but another book with Golden Age character.

[00:39:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Right, right.

[00:39:27] [SPEAKER_05]: That's it.

[00:39:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm also working on so,

[00:39:31] [SPEAKER_02]: but if anything else that just affirms that like,

[00:39:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I know what I'm doing with these,

[00:39:36] [SPEAKER_02]: you know, Golden Age characters.

[00:39:38] [SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, absolutely,

[00:39:43] [SPEAKER_02]: you know, pull this green Hornet book.

[00:39:47] [SPEAKER_02]: It looks gorgeous.

[00:39:49] [SPEAKER_02]: I can't get too much into,

[00:39:50] [SPEAKER_02]: I think the interiors and stuff like this,

[00:39:52] [SPEAKER_02]: but this book's gonna look amazing.

[00:39:57] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, so when you go to your shop,

[00:39:59] [SPEAKER_02]: buy a card act and add green Hornet to your poem.

[00:40:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's a great idea.

[00:40:06] [SPEAKER_03]: I agree.

[00:40:07] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm gonna do it.

[00:40:09] [SPEAKER_03]: I remember that the,

[00:40:11] [SPEAKER_03]: the, the, was it the TV show was on in the 60s?

[00:40:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah.

[00:40:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but yeah, my dad is a huge Bruce Lee fan

[00:40:20] [SPEAKER_03]: and I think love green Hornet because Bruce Lee was in it.

[00:40:24] [SPEAKER_03]: So I'll, I'll pick up my dad a copy of the new,

[00:40:27] [SPEAKER_03]: the new comics since he got my brother and I into comics.

[00:40:30] [SPEAKER_03]: I bet he'll still get a kick out of it.

[00:40:33] [SPEAKER_02]: So nice.

[00:40:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, let's go.

[00:40:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's a period piece too.

[00:40:37] [SPEAKER_03]: So that was nice.

[00:40:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I like that.

[00:40:39] [SPEAKER_03]: I like that.

[00:40:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, push, I wanted to ask you.

[00:40:42] [SPEAKER_03]: I think I saw, I think it was Doug Wood

[00:40:44] [SPEAKER_03]: who had opposed on Twitter

[00:40:46] [SPEAKER_03]: speaking of professional wrestling about you and Doug

[00:40:49] [SPEAKER_03]: having a wrestling comic.

[00:40:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Man, when, when's that going to see the light of day?

[00:40:55] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.

[00:40:57] [SPEAKER_03]: I love wrestling comic.

[00:40:59] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I'm seriously, I don't know.

[00:41:02] [SPEAKER_06]: He's been trying to get somebody hooked on the concept,

[00:41:07] [SPEAKER_06]: because we already have them.

[00:41:09] [SPEAKER_06]: We did the pitch for that like two years ago.

[00:41:13] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, so I and then we're just trying to

[00:41:16] [SPEAKER_06]: hope for a publisher, I guess.

[00:41:18] [SPEAKER_06]: That's great.

[00:41:19] [SPEAKER_06]: Like he was, I didn't work out the scheduling,

[00:41:23] [SPEAKER_06]: but like he, he's actually,

[00:41:24] [SPEAKER_06]: he was willing to like go ahead and do the whole comic.

[00:41:27] [SPEAKER_06]: So we could pitch the whole,

[00:41:29] [SPEAKER_06]: so issue publishers, but they didn't work out scheduling.

[00:41:35] [SPEAKER_06]: Why is with maybe someday?

[00:41:38] [SPEAKER_06]: We'll definitely get, obviously we both love that stuff, right?

[00:41:42] [SPEAKER_06]: So yeah, it's not a question now.

[00:41:45] [SPEAKER_06]: It's the way to write exactly.

[00:41:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah.

[00:41:50] [SPEAKER_03]: I saw him saying that, you know,

[00:41:53] [SPEAKER_03]: or read it on Twitter and I was like, yeah,

[00:41:55] [SPEAKER_03]: please, I hope that land somewhere

[00:41:57] [SPEAKER_03]: because yeah, I just, there aren't enough wrestling comics.

[00:42:01] [SPEAKER_03]: I just love him.

[00:42:02] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, seriously.

[00:42:03] [SPEAKER_06]: And yeah, he's got a great, great concept for that.

[00:42:07] [SPEAKER_06]: So, oh, well, fingers crossed, he's great.

[00:42:09] [SPEAKER_06]: That's great.

[00:42:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Is there anything else you're into that you can,

[00:42:15] [SPEAKER_03]: you know, talk about right now or that you had come out recently?

[00:42:18] [SPEAKER_03]: I see your name popping up a lot.

[00:42:21] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I've got two projects, but I think they're,

[00:42:27] [SPEAKER_06]: probably, I don't know, two of the biggest projects

[00:42:30] [SPEAKER_06]: I've ever been involved with, but I can't talk about them just yet.

[00:42:35] [SPEAKER_06]: One is like 10 pages, that one's like a big graphic novel.

[00:42:39] [SPEAKER_06]: It's a very different set of work that I'm working on right now.

[00:42:44] [SPEAKER_06]: Maybe I can a week out or something, I'll be able to talk about it.

[00:42:47] [SPEAKER_03]: All right, well, while make sure that I put links in the show notes

[00:42:51] [SPEAKER_03]: to both of your social media and websites if you had them.

[00:42:58] [SPEAKER_03]: So folks can follow along.

[00:43:00] [SPEAKER_03]: So listeners will know as soon as that, as soon as that stuff drops

[00:43:03] [SPEAKER_03]: and comes out.

[00:43:06] [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, so that's great.

[00:43:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Exciting to be working on a big graphic novel, I bet, but I'm certain

[00:43:15] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not an artist, even a little, but it just seems daunting.

[00:43:19] [SPEAKER_03]: So good for you.

[00:43:27] [SPEAKER_03]: And so I just wanted to turn a little bit, you know, we kind of touched on it,

[00:43:33] [SPEAKER_03]: but in terms of your own experience, the two of you not with like,

[00:43:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Archie is a publisher, but like Archie comics.

[00:43:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Is it, were you a fan?

[00:43:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Is it something you were familiar with?

[00:43:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Did you really, was the first time you really read Archie comics when you were doing

[00:43:46] [SPEAKER_03]: like research to be involved in these projects?

[00:43:51] [SPEAKER_03]: But if you want to go first.

[00:43:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, okay.

[00:43:54] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, so for the longest time, like me, I always knew Archie from the,

[00:44:02] [SPEAKER_06]: I think I guess most people from the digest, the double digest,

[00:44:05] [SPEAKER_06]: that you'd see at 711s were like grocery research.

[00:44:09] [SPEAKER_06]: It was the same thing over here in the Philippines.

[00:44:12] [SPEAKER_06]: So I never even had the dream of working for Archie,

[00:44:17] [SPEAKER_06]: because it, I don't like it was like, there's like, I always thought

[00:44:19] [SPEAKER_06]: there was like a secret vault somewhere with all the Archie stories

[00:44:23] [SPEAKER_06]: going back decades and like they don't need new stuff like that until

[00:44:28] [SPEAKER_06]: the Mark Wade series from the 2010s.

[00:44:32] [SPEAKER_06]: Like for me that was when it's, oh, Archie's like,

[00:44:34] [SPEAKER_06]: we do singles, right? Like I had no idea.

[00:44:38] [SPEAKER_06]: And yeah, my experience with Archie was through those digests growing up.

[00:44:45] [SPEAKER_06]: Like it was, I learned how to speak English from reading comic books

[00:44:49] [SPEAKER_06]: and watching like Star Trek.

[00:44:52] [SPEAKER_06]: So yeah, so I, I, I, a lot of my, my early vocabulary was stuff

[00:44:59] [SPEAKER_06]: that Archie said in the 50s, you know?

[00:45:02] [SPEAKER_06]: Okay.

[00:45:03] [SPEAKER_06]: Like that, that got reprinted much later on.

[00:45:06] [SPEAKER_06]: So that was my, and even as I get older, as I got older,

[00:45:13] [SPEAKER_06]: Archie is always like that thing that's like,

[00:45:15] [SPEAKER_06]: like safe, you know? Like if you can always come back to it

[00:45:18] [SPEAKER_06]: because you don't, you know, all the characters,

[00:45:21] [SPEAKER_06]: like you don't need no, like, continuity so much.

[00:45:25] [SPEAKER_06]: Like you just pick up an Archie, you read it, you get some laughs,

[00:45:29] [SPEAKER_06]: and then like five years later, if you see an Archie or someone

[00:45:32] [SPEAKER_06]: you know, as an Archie, you leave through it and again, you get some laughs

[00:45:37] [SPEAKER_06]: and that's it. It's fine. And they still do that.

[00:45:42] [SPEAKER_06]: But on top of that, they do all these new things like Cardenac and the first library

[00:45:46] [SPEAKER_06]: and stuff like that.

[00:45:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Right. Yeah. That's awesome.

[00:45:51] [SPEAKER_03]: What is the comic scene like in the, in the Philippines?

[00:45:55] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, in terms of like, like access to comics and western comics

[00:46:00] [SPEAKER_03]: or, you know, manga or Filipino comics?

[00:46:08] [SPEAKER_06]: Right. Well, we've got a pretty strong history of Filipino comics here too.

[00:46:14] [SPEAKER_06]: Going back to the 40s, I guess, our next time.

[00:46:19] [SPEAKER_06]: And then the difference is we didn't get skewed towards superhero stuff

[00:46:26] [SPEAKER_06]: like it did over there.

[00:46:28] [SPEAKER_06]: So even up to the, even up to now, but especially up to the 80s and 90s,

[00:46:35] [SPEAKER_06]: you'd still see a lot of drama, horror, fantasy, a lot of those.

[00:46:43] [SPEAKER_06]: And then superheroes and stuff.

[00:46:45] [SPEAKER_06]: But the genre's were a little bit more varied.

[00:46:50] [SPEAKER_06]: And we'd also get a lot of course, Marl, DC, Dark Horse, all that stuff.

[00:46:56] [SPEAKER_06]: And then add on being in Asia, I guess.

[00:46:59] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know the influence of the of manga was always been pretty strong here

[00:47:07] [SPEAKER_06]: through the cartoonist definitely for the cartoons.

[00:47:09] [SPEAKER_06]: They've always been there since the 70s with a big robots.

[00:47:12] [SPEAKER_06]: And then the mighty, the Dagobans have like, what would become popular over there

[00:47:20] [SPEAKER_06]: in the States was popular here.

[00:47:22] [SPEAKER_06]: Maybe like a decade earlier or something like that.

[00:47:24] [SPEAKER_06]: I'd always notice, oh, okay.

[00:47:27] [SPEAKER_06]: The US has, you, Hakusha right now, right?

[00:47:34] [SPEAKER_06]: So, again, so those three, I think influences make up, yeah,

[00:47:39] [SPEAKER_06]: it's made up the comic scene for most of the time.

[00:47:42] [SPEAKER_06]: And now with the internet, like obviously there's exposure for all kinds of stuff from

[00:47:47] [SPEAKER_06]: like everywhere is, everything's available everywhere for the most part.

[00:47:52] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[00:47:52] [SPEAKER_06]: But growing up, yeah.

[00:47:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:47:57] [SPEAKER_02]: That's interesting too because like, you know, just to make me think of like Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z

[00:48:03] [SPEAKER_02]: and all that and how like that in particular.

[00:48:07] [SPEAKER_02]: We had it in the States around 1995 in England.

[00:48:13] [SPEAKER_02]: I think I think you could watch it in Spanish on Tel Avon, though sooner than in the States.

[00:48:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but like, but even then it wasn't until it went to Cartoon Network

[00:48:27] [SPEAKER_02]: close to like 2000 that it really took off here because it was like buried,

[00:48:35] [SPEAKER_02]: because I used to get up, you know, I was an elementary school at the time.

[00:48:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I would get up five, 30 in the morning on a Saturday is when they used to play Dragon Ball here.

[00:48:49] [SPEAKER_02]: And then it wasn't till the following year that they played Dragon Ball Z,

[00:48:54] [SPEAKER_02]: but again like buried at like 730 in the morning on like a Sunday.

[00:48:59] [SPEAKER_02]: And I would you know, making a point to, you know, get up and watch these shows and.

[00:49:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but it really took a while before it got in like a good time slot on a network that really promoted like Cartoon Network

[00:49:15] [SPEAKER_02]: before it really became a thing here.

[00:49:18] [SPEAKER_02]: But for me with getting into Archie, Archie was the first publisher I really was reading regularly because they did the sock patch hoc comp.

[00:49:30] [SPEAKER_02]: And I ended up first getting one when I was in third grade in a K-mart.

[00:49:41] [SPEAKER_02]: And then they used to sell them at, you know, the local stationery store.

[00:49:49] [SPEAKER_02]: So I would, I would, you know, walk into town occasionally to get them.

[00:49:55] [SPEAKER_02]: But I was able to do, you know, the mail order subscription.

[00:50:04] [SPEAKER_02]: I like my parents driving around to go back issue diving at the different stores within, you know, like a 15 20 mile radius like.

[00:50:15] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, so so archie's really what.

[00:50:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Had me to develop a lot of four comics in that deeper way of, you know, that just so this is something special to read.

[00:50:30] [SPEAKER_02]: But like going to multiple shops getting a mail like like you know, filling in the gaps in the collection.

[00:50:40] [SPEAKER_02]: So seven with Archie for a while and in terms of that I think like a lot of people.

[00:50:44] [SPEAKER_02]: There are a bunch of Archie digest that came and went in my life. I can't necessarily tell you where they came from. I can't tell you where they went, but you know, but they.

[00:50:56] [SPEAKER_03]: They get around those Archie digest and it seems that way. They just say pop up. You're like, oh, I guess I'll read this.

[00:51:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.

[00:51:05] [SPEAKER_02]: And then it was, I would you know, check out Archie bit here and there. I think like there was a time like time to Falco and like, well, copper bird we're doing a lot of stuff like there was a lot of hype around.

[00:51:20] [SPEAKER_02]: And I want to say it was Paul Copperberg that like death of Archie.

[00:51:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Around like the where they killed him off like I was paying attention to that which.

[00:51:32] [SPEAKER_02]: I believe that happens. I'm trying to get the timeline right in my head, but it wasn't too long after that.

[00:51:41] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think that they did the Mark Wade Fiona Staples like reboot.

[00:51:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. And so I was following that, you know, I've been a fan of Mark Wade since I first read like Kingdom come years and years ago.

[00:51:57] [SPEAKER_02]: And obviously Fiona Staples with a hottest artist at the time and really still in a lot of ways.

[00:52:04] [SPEAKER_02]: I do have a doctor phosphorus commission I got from her like the first year Comic Con she was here when saga like premiered.

[00:52:15] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, wow.

[00:52:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think she stopped doing commissions very quickly.

[00:52:23] [SPEAKER_02]: But,

[00:52:23] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's a big yeah. Like, you know, it was following that and then obviously, you know, the afterlife with Archie and like the the horrors were revival stuff.

[00:52:34] [SPEAKER_02]: So, I mean, so yes, I was already you know somewhat familiar, you know, I'm not going to say right everything they put out.

[00:52:43] [SPEAKER_02]: But I mean, you know, I wasn't top of law the bigger stuff they were doing like some of the stuff I mentioned.

[00:52:47] [SPEAKER_02]: But the golden age collections like dark horse put out those like hard covers of like the golden age stuff. I have some of those, but I mean whenever I tackle a character from Archie.

[00:53:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I always read the first appearance followed by a few of the early appearances as well mostly chronological order like at least like three or four others and then I'll jump around from there.

[00:53:15] [SPEAKER_02]: But I just sort of like to you know grandma myself with that sort of stuff and be like okay well what was like the original intention.

[00:53:23] [SPEAKER_02]: What they kind of do from there how to change in the next like, you know two three or four appearances because you know sometimes there is a big change between like the very first appearance of the second you know.

[00:53:35] [SPEAKER_02]: And then like kind of jump around through the decades a little bit you know you kind of want to see what.

[00:53:42] [SPEAKER_02]: What's six around what doesn't. I think it's interesting to see like okay well this is definitely a core of this character because they really.

[00:53:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Cap this trait through the decades and you know I think that's interesting you know with the heart attack having less in between.

[00:53:59] [SPEAKER_02]: You know it was I ended up reading just a lot more of like the the golden age material but yeah.

[00:54:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh nice. Yeah that's interesting to go back and you know kind of that you said to see how they kind of you know to ground yourself in.

[00:54:14] [SPEAKER_03]: How they first form the character and then kind of jump around from there to get a sense of it and then once you have that base you can kind of then you know play with the character and get.

[00:54:24] [SPEAKER_03]: The story that you have in and cardact the the mystic. That's awesome. Well thank you both.

[00:54:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Good George. When they ask you since we saw each other at Dublin, Comic Con did you enjoy the rest of your your travels in Ireland.

[00:54:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah. No it was great. The Monday I took like the the train down to waterford and met up with my grandma's cousin and her daughter.

[00:54:49] [SPEAKER_02]: You know first cousin because my my great grandmother came from Don Garvin.

[00:54:57] [SPEAKER_02]: You know my great of here with a few of her other siblings but like about half of them stayed.

[00:55:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay and this so this one first cousin my grandmother's you know was still you know living in the area around where my great grandmother.

[00:55:16] [SPEAKER_02]: You know was born and raised so that was nice you know because that's not too far from waterford. So we got to have one hang out got to see your sort of downtown waterford.

[00:55:29] [SPEAKER_02]: You did a few other fun things I mean I saw local bands play Sunday night that was fun.

[00:55:36] [SPEAKER_02]: I went to see a you know local stand up.

[00:55:42] [SPEAKER_02]: So I play at the abby theater there like really and I wanted to have like a real.

[00:55:50] [SPEAKER_02]: You know experience just enjoying a city and what that city has to offer.

[00:55:55] [SPEAKER_03]: That's great.

[00:55:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah it was it was a very nice running into you in person.

[00:56:01] [SPEAKER_03]: When Tomaconda was a very it's a very fun night hanging out absolutely with you and Ellie Wright and I think.

[00:56:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Crystal Halleron was there.

[00:56:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah Steven Mooney was.

[00:56:16] [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like some stories and I'm going to come out.

[00:56:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh God.

[00:56:22] [SPEAKER_03]: It was it was a it was a super super fun night and yeah Gary Maloney Paul Carroll is a very very fun time.

[00:56:31] [SPEAKER_03]: The everyone made my brother and I because we were over there for my 45th birthday.

[00:56:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Two of us taking a trip and every one at Dublin, Comic Con and then that night you know at dinner and then the pub made us feel very welcome.

[00:56:44] [SPEAKER_03]: It was a wonderful time so yeah was really great but.

[00:56:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Well I can't thank you both enough.

[00:56:51] [SPEAKER_03]: I had Joe thank you for coming back but you've been very nice meeting you virtually face to face.

[00:56:58] [SPEAKER_03]: I agree.

[00:56:59] [SPEAKER_03]: But listeners yes Joe is absolutely right going get cardact the mystic if your shop doesn't have it.

[00:57:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Tell them to order it as long as it's still at the distributor though you should be able to get you a copy or you can go to Archie's website.

[00:57:12] [SPEAKER_03]: I will have a link in all the show notes.

[00:57:15] [SPEAKER_03]: It is yeah it's a really it's a really good story.

[00:57:18] [SPEAKER_03]: I really like the development of cardact and and put just artwork, at least colors as well.

[00:57:25] [SPEAKER_03]: It's it's really a wonderful comic book and yes, especially if you haven't gotten into Archie comics yet if you're not even you know they're much more than those double digest although those are great but there's a lot of great stuff that Archie is doing that you should check out and these one shots that they've recently putting out.

[00:57:44] [SPEAKER_03]: I've really been a lot of fun every I've liked everyone that I've checked out and I don't really have a long history with Archie it's just a really great comic book story with some wonderful art in it and yeah I want more because I really like that last page so.

[00:58:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Thank you.

[00:58:03] [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah so check that out listeners please and I'm speaking of my brother Bobby I always shout him out on the podcast because he's the cryptocurrency creator cornerstone bro almost dedicated fan and listen to all my episodes.

[00:58:14] [SPEAKER_03]: And I Bobby look we talked about Dublin and I didn't I didn't mention your oh well story.

[00:58:20] [SPEAKER_03]: I'll have to do that another time I'll tell them off off air.

[00:58:27] [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah thank you listeners for comic book yet he's cryptocurrency creator quarter I'm Jimmy Gaspero.

[00:58:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Thanks for listening and I will see you next time.

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