Shane Connery Volk talks Prairie Gods: Race the Devil

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[00:02:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Hello and welcome to comic book Yeti's Crypted Creator Quiner. I am one of your hosts, Jimmy Gaspero, and boy do I have a special guest for you today.

[00:03:01] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's a really like when I have a guest coming on and in the research process, I kind of discover some things.

[00:03:08] [SPEAKER_03]: And we're going to talk about it because I've been listening to Canadian rock band, one-bed son quite a bit the past few days, but I have writer, artist, musician, rocker actor.

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[00:03:23] [SPEAKER_05]: A little bit of that in there.

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[00:03:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Shane Connery Volk.

[00:03:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Welcome to the podcast.

[00:03:29] [SPEAKER_05]: Jimmy, so good to hang with you.

[00:03:32] [SPEAKER_05]: I've watched the show, but it's nice to actually chat with you.

[00:03:35] [SPEAKER_05]: One-to-one like this is great.

[00:03:36] [SPEAKER_05]: Thanks for the intro.

[00:03:38] [SPEAKER_05]: You may be sound a lot cooler than I am.

[00:03:40] [SPEAKER_03]: No, no, I don't believe that at all.

[00:03:43] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if I did you justice, but you nailed it man.

[00:03:48] [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm a huge fan of nodding.

[00:03:50] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm David is on the writer of nodding him, has been on the podcast and also one of the most beautiful human beings that's just ever existed.

[00:04:00] [SPEAKER_05]: I absolutely love that guy.

[00:04:01] [SPEAKER_05]: He's on shout out, buddy.

[00:04:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, David is great.

[00:04:06] [SPEAKER_03]: I love every time I get to talk to him, he's been on the podcast twice and just a huge fan of that book in particular.

[00:04:15] [SPEAKER_03]: And I really, I mean, I've sent it a lot on the podcast, but I'm a big fan of Mayad Cave.

[00:04:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Especially this year's their 10th anniversary year.

[00:04:23] [SPEAKER_03]: I've interviewed, yeah.

[00:04:25] [SPEAKER_03]: And I've interviewed quite a few Mayad Cave creators this year and they're really just the books that they're coming out with or have, excuse me, have been fantastic.

[00:04:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Some of the stuff that they've been doing, both their original stuff and bringing back stuff like Flash Gordon and Dick Tracy.

[00:04:44] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's really been wonderful to see.

[00:04:48] [SPEAKER_05]: But like David, doing awesome stuff, yeah, they're doing great stuff there, you know.

[00:04:52] [SPEAKER_03]: And like David, you were also a 2019 Mayad Cave Studios talent search winner in the art category.

[00:05:01] [SPEAKER_03]: David was writing and then so what Mayad Cave did, you know, they've done different things with like the talent search winners, but they kind of paired the two of you up.

[00:05:11] [SPEAKER_03]: And from that came nodding ham, which I'm sure listeners are familiar with, but it's this unbelievably, like interesting take on the Robin Hood story that we all know, but it's centered on the sheriff of notting him as we record this in August.

[00:05:33] [SPEAKER_03]: We are a few weeks away. I think two weeks away from issue 15, the last issue of.

[00:05:40] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, it's been out of the last one. That's crazy.

[00:05:43] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's been, you know, I don't know if it's a surprise hit. I mean, I think it's definitely a hit, but I didn't know if anyone expected it to kind of be as big as it did.

[00:05:54] [SPEAKER_03]: He's just surprised.

[00:05:55] [SPEAKER_05]: Trust me, trust me, there was no there was nothing on him man. It was like it was our first shot David's first book, my first book.

[00:06:02] [SPEAKER_05]: You know, we were just doing our best. So the fact that it for an indie book, you know, was big as it's gotten this yeah in three, three series later like crazy.

[00:06:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, it just, you know, there are very, there's so many books on the market. I mean, I, you know, the listeners are tired of me saying it probably, but this is like a new golden age of comics.

[00:06:24] [SPEAKER_03]: If you like anything, there was a story out there for you. There's so much to choose from whether or not it's traditional comics or manga or web tunes, you know, whatever it might be.

[00:06:37] [SPEAKER_03]: And so my, the point of me saying that is it's kind of rare for, you know, a book to get more than like one arc like five or six issues, you really have to stand out and kind of going

[00:06:52] [SPEAKER_03]: to the end or the days of really long running series. You know, we can kind of count them on one hand right now. The sagas and something is killing the children, you know, type of stuff.

[00:07:06] [SPEAKER_03]: So 15 issues. Fantastic.

[00:07:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah, you know, and that's due to the fans like you said it's there's tons of stuff out there. I mean, it's a great time, but it's tough because it's it's in some ways it's easier than it's ever been to get your stuff out there with kickstarter and

[00:07:22] [SPEAKER_05]: everything else. And even if you're able to get a publisher, they're putting out a ton of books and there's a ton of really good books, right? So you're right, man. There's a lot for everybody and it's real tough to get your slice of that pie.

[00:07:35] [SPEAKER_05]: So the fact that like fans jumped on it and then just kind of grew and blew up and now we got this kind of rapid little fan base of crazy not a hand fan. So yeah, like honored beyond belief, like what a way to jump into the industry, right?

[00:07:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Totally, I'm back in. So yeah, well, I think also it helps that I think, I mean, David's writing is is fantastic. I don't want to take anything away from David's writing, but no, he put on me. He gets enough praise.

[00:08:05] [SPEAKER_03]: That's right. And you're the one here on the podcast right now. Your style is so I feel like distinctive.

[00:08:16] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm hard pressed to kind of find anybody else doing comic book art, like right now that I could kind of like lump you in the category with.

[00:08:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Like there's a lot of artists who are doing like great work, but some artists have a similar style and that's like absolutely fine. But I, you know, I mean, the only person that I think maybe has some similarity and I don't, I'm not, I'm not like an art critic or anything, but like Jason Shaw and Alexander.

[00:08:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe it's the three name thing, but what he's doing in what he's doing with Philadelphia. I feel like there's some similarity here, but he's going to have some good favorite honestly. Yeah, so great great pick. As a real good pull for sure.

[00:08:58] [SPEAKER_03]: But good. But your style is so distinctive there is.

[00:09:06] [SPEAKER_03]: It's hard to describe, but there's like, you know, a roughness to it, like a shadowy, like sketchiness to it that it messes like the wrong word, but if I can use you messy and like messes right in like a good way.

[00:09:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Because it's, you know, but you don't lose anything in terms of like the facial acting. I mean there are some especially in the last few issues like there are just some panels of like the sheriff that are like close ups and I mean just the detail that you get on his face and like some of the, that you know, we absolute, like brutality.

[00:09:54] [SPEAKER_05]: He's got a lot of money. The sheriff, he's got a lot of angsties, Evan, every series he is having an increasingly worst day and I try to like reflect that in the drawing for sure. And honestly, man, like any of those words work right messy, you know, it's a bit sketchy like the truth is I spend a lot of time on my layouts and I spend a lot of time in I kind of.

[00:10:16] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm making my own stuff right so that I don't really have like a layout, pencil, like distinct pencil and stage to anchor. It's kind of like really I go hard on the layouts and then I really like get things worked out. Then when I go to ink it's just kind of as quick as I can go like I like to get the energy as much energy as I can get.

[00:10:37] [SPEAKER_05]: And so that means you know things come out sometimes how they come out like I try to keep it. I don't want anything to look wrong per se, like you know you've got to know what's going on you have to be able to follow the action and all of that but it's like.

[00:10:51] [SPEAKER_05]: It's too deart so you're trying to get some emotion right like it's funny somebody that there's a panel actually is a panel and issue 14.

[00:11:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Really good friend of mine actually pointed out something funny and it's it's Robinhood and he's leaning off the side of the horse and he's shooting an arrow and yeah as I'm drawing it, you know it defies gravity you know it's not right in this way of like you couldn't actually physically do that and.

[00:11:20] [SPEAKER_05]: And this guy was lovely human being was like I don't know something about this panel is really like yeah look it looks like he's going to fall off the horse he's like well aren't you going for realism he said and I said that's funny.

[00:11:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Because I've heard that before like is this realistic I'm like.

[00:11:37] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know if I'm allowed to swear on your podcast but I'm like it's fucking comic book dude.

[00:11:42] [SPEAKER_05]: That's what I said.

[00:11:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you know I kind of is a lot of ways to go thinking about like the way I approach art but really like I just want to you know it's 2D art it's a comic book.

[00:11:54] [SPEAKER_05]: It's not going to look like a movie and it's not supposed to right like you've got to do if you want to get extra emotion like when you're pointing out like the sheriff.

[00:12:03] [SPEAKER_05]: I really like leaned into just.

[00:12:05] [SPEAKER_05]: Messing that guy's face up as much as possible like when he's pissed off like it's it's just you know and some people have tried to call me out a bit and saying like oh it's it's almost too exaggerated and I'm like what I want you to feel.

[00:12:17] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm not just see.

[00:12:20] [SPEAKER_05]: The thing where you want to feel it a bit like you almost want to feel that just like energy coming off the page so yeah I appreciate it and I think like.

[00:12:29] [SPEAKER_05]: I it was apparent to me very early on even before I signed up for the medicave.

[00:12:36] [SPEAKER_05]: Talent search that like house style is not going to be the way I was going to break comics like I just there's I don't have the skill like I don't have those skills to copy or.

[00:12:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Go down the route of like hyper realism and that kind of thing is just it's not in my DNA so I just decided like you're going to do you know I want to learn and add me and do all this stuff and perspective and I you want to make it as visually interesting as possible but yeah I figured like you know.

[00:13:08] [SPEAKER_05]: I want to live and die in this medium on just who why I am as an artist not trying to look like somebody else or be like something or or even be like what companies want me to look like it's just like look you're going to get my art and you're going to love it or not and luckily.

[00:13:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Marks specifically Chris Fernandez like really got on my side and was like hey let's try something a bit different you know yeah the good as a bit of a weird style and maybe it'll pair up good with this like crazy medieval like you know are we got going on and you know so yeah yeah I appreciate that you dig it and it's cool how many people of.

[00:13:44] [SPEAKER_05]: giving me such positive feedback on my art being that man, especially those first issues,

[00:13:50] [SPEAKER_05]: like it's pretty rough. My styles like change a decent amount over three series and

[00:13:56] [SPEAKER_05]: but it was cool right from the start people were kind of like I think people have been ready for some

[00:14:01] [SPEAKER_05]: different stuff like you know you name like Jason Shaw and Alexander who actually is a variant

[00:14:06] [SPEAKER_05]: he's doing the race to devil variant cover coming out on the fourth so very cool dude what a great

[00:14:12] [SPEAKER_05]: moment for me but I love that kind of stuff man like you know it's like when Mike Minola first came

[00:14:17] [SPEAKER_05]: out people were like this is weird I don't get it but you want that like art's supposed to kind

[00:14:22] [SPEAKER_05]: of challenge people in a way and like give them something they're not expecting necessarily right

[00:14:27] [SPEAKER_03]: right well and also you know there's been so many different iterations of some type of you know

[00:14:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Robinhood story from when you know I was younger and it was the you know Kevin Costner

[00:14:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Prince of thieves or yeah you know the Disney version with the Fox or I think favorite yeah

[00:14:46] [SPEAKER_03]: I think like they all the arrow flins stuff you know 10 years ago they did another like

[00:14:53] [SPEAKER_03]: they do another like Robinhood that was supposed to be oh like the modern tape like a modern

[00:14:59] [SPEAKER_05]: and and like Jamie Fox and yes yeah yeah you know so there's oh and then of course there was

[00:15:06] [SPEAKER_05]: holy shit there's a lot of them there was the uh Russell Crowe one as well yeah yeah yeah I

[00:15:13] [SPEAKER_03]: see there's been like so many different like iterations and it's interesting like when you

[00:15:20] [SPEAKER_03]: you have to have we've seen this story and the uniqueness of it to be able to say well

[00:15:28] [SPEAKER_03]: here's something you didn't consider or here's a new angle or you know I know the

[00:15:33] [SPEAKER_03]: story of Robinhood but maybe I don't yeah and when you you see it on the page the way that you've

[00:15:42] [SPEAKER_03]: done it and I mean when I heard when I got the first issue of nodding him because I was you know

[00:15:47] [SPEAKER_03]: I get a lot of different stuff and I was like oh made cave and they have a talent search and

[00:15:51] [SPEAKER_03]: oh these are the winners and this is the book they're putting out not a great that great cover

[00:15:55] [SPEAKER_03]: like issue one had like such a cool cover and you're like oh what is what is the main

[00:15:59] [SPEAKER_05]: look at that the bleeding mask with the title nodding him was kind of like

[00:16:03] [SPEAKER_05]: grab your attention at least I figured that should get people at least open the book right

[00:16:08] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah I just felt like I hadn't you know like that because your style I in my head I didn't match

[00:16:21] [SPEAKER_03]: up your style with essentially what was like a period piece right you know

[00:16:28] [SPEAKER_03]: I thought oh well this guy would do some type of like hard book or something you know not

[00:16:34] [SPEAKER_03]: something you know but it works like so well and especially when you get something that you think

[00:16:41] [SPEAKER_03]: initially challenges your perception or you're like oh this this kind of shouldn't work

[00:16:47] [SPEAKER_03]: this style with this story and like you get in an issue one an issue two an issue three

[00:16:53] [SPEAKER_03]: I've lent my volume one of nodding him to a few people and everyone has come back and been like

[00:17:00] [SPEAKER_03]: can I have the next one? I'm like wait you know it's cool and it's a testament to David's writing too

[00:17:09] [SPEAKER_05]: right because we kind of fit together I think he was he envisioned something maybe a bit cleaner

[00:17:14] [SPEAKER_05]: and I you know I was drawing just the way I could draw especially those first books that first series

[00:17:20] [SPEAKER_05]: is just I've said this probably a million times in interviews but like I was just holding on

[00:17:25] [SPEAKER_05]: for dear life like every page David would give me I'm like I don't know how to draw that so like

[00:17:29] [SPEAKER_05]: let's just give it our best shot but together it worked and to me I love that kind of stuff where

[00:17:37] [SPEAKER_05]: you know like at this point people are asking like oh would you want to do a Batman book or of course

[00:17:41] [SPEAKER_05]: I would that be great but like you know I would definitely not say no to Batman or spawn or

[00:17:47] [SPEAKER_05]: but like it'd be cool to try like a Superman kind of character because like with my style it's

[00:17:54] [SPEAKER_05]: good to stretch that way and see like how sometimes you can get too comfortable or like you know

[00:17:59] [SPEAKER_05]: horror it looks like this in period pieces look like this superhero books like look like this and

[00:18:04] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah you know people wonder why sales start to struggle and it's well if you're just giving

[00:18:09] [SPEAKER_05]: people what they're expecting to get you know you never hit them in that place that's like oh

[00:18:15] [SPEAKER_05]: shit I wouldn't okay this is yeah right even if even if it's that thing where they're like

[00:18:20] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know if I like this but for some reason I kind of can't stop reading it yeah

[00:18:25] [SPEAKER_03]: and they're like that's what you want to do right? I'm like amazed at like your first you know

[00:18:29] [SPEAKER_03]: all the things that artists like comic book artists in particular like kind of you know typically

[00:18:36] [SPEAKER_03]: might complain about like oh I don't like drawing horses or I don't like drawing this like your

[00:18:42] [SPEAKER_05]: all right everybody's on a horse. Everybody's gonna horse it's all castles yeah it's yeah and you

[00:18:48] [SPEAKER_05]: know that was great though because honestly I think left in my own devices I might have just you

[00:18:53] [SPEAKER_05]: know kind of out of fear and panic been like well you know that I'll do something maybe I'm

[00:18:59] [SPEAKER_05]: kind of comfortable with but it was cool to just you know if you want to learn something just go

[00:19:03] [SPEAKER_05]: through yourself in the deep end like yeah when that you asked if I would do in the war I was like

[00:19:08] [SPEAKER_05]: do anything like I I'm dying to be a comic book artist so just give me stuff and I'll do my best you know

[00:19:14] [SPEAKER_03]: and you also have you have a book with just I mean so many like action scene yeah you know so

[00:19:21] [SPEAKER_03]: you're not just rendering you know it's too deart but there has to be a movement and the fluidity

[00:19:28] [SPEAKER_03]: to it from panel to panel it has to you know it has to like make a little bit of sense and

[00:19:34] [SPEAKER_03]: you kind of have to get like the dimensions right you have to have that action in it and you're

[00:19:38] [SPEAKER_03]: so good I think with the the facial acting like as I said with the sheriff but in all the

[00:19:45] [SPEAKER_03]: fight scenes like it's like you're dipping a rag and agony and ring it out on the page that's kind

[00:19:52] [SPEAKER_05]: of it actually sometimes you know like because I kind of David he scripts a hell of a fight scene

[00:19:58] [SPEAKER_05]: but I you know what's the best way to put this like I I wanted to kind of find my own way with

[00:20:08] [SPEAKER_05]: different things right because I think sometimes like early on especially I'd be watching like

[00:20:13] [SPEAKER_05]: YouTube drawing videos if I was you know okay like how do I get a structure of fight scene and

[00:20:18] [SPEAKER_05]: something kept happening that was really like pissing me off honestly Jimmy was pissing me off so

[00:20:22] [SPEAKER_05]: much for like you watch a video it's like this is how you do a fight scene like this is how you do

[00:20:27] [SPEAKER_05]: speed lines like as though like there's one way and that's it and if you don't do it it's wrong

[00:20:34] [SPEAKER_05]: and I like yeah and I just like I've I got too much of a rock and roll spirit in me where I'm like

[00:20:39] [SPEAKER_05]: oh if that if that's how I'm supposed to do it like fuck you I'm gonna do it this other way right

[00:20:44] [SPEAKER_05]: but I kind of it was cool to sort of you end up following in the footsteps of people like

[00:20:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Kirby and you're like okay that's why they solved the problems they did that way right but it's kind

[00:20:55] [SPEAKER_05]: of cool to approach it on your own and you look at people that have done it great but also try to

[00:21:00] [SPEAKER_05]: figure your own thing out because honestly again comic art is a very weird medium or your

[00:21:06] [SPEAKER_05]: its 2D art like you said in your you know a fight scene is difficult like doing a static pose

[00:21:12] [SPEAKER_05]: is perfect for comic art like the classic hero shots great you know no one's moving it's great

[00:21:18] [SPEAKER_05]: you can set all your shit up and have it like very planned out but like a fight scene you know

[00:21:24] [SPEAKER_05]: I I'm not big into like the way a lot of superhero fight scenes look it's very I don't know they

[00:21:30] [SPEAKER_05]: kind of look the same to me I like the idea especially with notting him that like everything's just

[00:21:35] [SPEAKER_05]: got an extra level of like it's not realism but it's almost like I want you to feel

[00:21:40] [SPEAKER_05]: a fight as opposed to like how cool can these people look well they're throwing up punches like

[00:21:45] [SPEAKER_05]: I've been in fights like you know I'm a farm kid I grew up in small town uh Saskatchewan

[00:21:51] [SPEAKER_05]: Canada like it hurts to get punched you know it should look like that it hurts when you punch

[00:21:57] [SPEAKER_05]: somebody like the idea that like it's not a pretty thing a fight right like uh it's cool the way

[00:22:03] [SPEAKER_05]: manga does stuff where it is like it is very like almost like a dance right like it has that

[00:22:09] [SPEAKER_05]: you know that art has just got such beauty to it but I can't draw like that so my thing is like

[00:22:14] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm gonna make it it's brutal let's make it look brutal it might not and it kind of can't be clean

[00:22:20] [SPEAKER_05]: especially a fight scene so I you know over the over the course of the series I experimented with

[00:22:26] [SPEAKER_05]: different ways to kind of do speed lines I you know discovered artists like Bill's in Kevitch and like

[00:22:33] [SPEAKER_05]: the my absolute heroes now that seeing how they tackled different things and he has a very obviously

[00:22:41] [SPEAKER_05]: like some Kevitch has a very sketchy kind of style too and you know I love Sean Murphy as well he's

[00:22:47] [SPEAKER_05]: a much more of a manga style like it's a lot more of the clean kind of speed line so I've

[00:22:51] [SPEAKER_05]: experimented with a lot of different stuff but I like just kind of the manic it's making happen

[00:22:57] [SPEAKER_05]: and if it is just putting ink down and like wiping it with your hand to get a speed line

[00:23:02] [SPEAKER_05]: great and sometimes I think honestly especially if you're a fast anchor like I am I'm like

[00:23:08] [SPEAKER_05]: the more I kind of put energy into it no matter how it looks you kind of feel the energy coming off

[00:23:13] [SPEAKER_05]: page like that you just like I mean it's in Kevitch is a great example where you almost feel

[00:23:17] [SPEAKER_05]: like the guys had a control while he's drawing and you feel it in the art as much as you see it

[00:23:23] [SPEAKER_03]: if that makes sense you know yeah no it it does and actually that that's like a perfect segue

[00:23:30] [SPEAKER_03]: into Prairie God's race the devil which is your next man cave book Alcip's number four

[00:23:38] [SPEAKER_03]: I think I said I think I said it before we started recording but the previews the solicit

[00:23:46] [SPEAKER_03]: describes it as like Twilight Zone meets Sin City but talk about feeling like the guy

[00:23:53] [SPEAKER_03]: you know doing the art is at a control I mean look race the devil that's 100%

[00:24:01] [SPEAKER_03]: like what you're getting and once again you're taking on a book things that other artists complain about

[00:24:07] [SPEAKER_03]: your your your drawing like you know muscle cars what is all muscle cars 1970 GTO

[00:24:14] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah 70 GTO in a 70 Shavelle go ahead ahead so but um you were kind enough to send over issue one

[00:24:25] [SPEAKER_03]: so I got a chance to read it and I mean absolutely loved it also I appreciate that

[00:24:33] [SPEAKER_03]: it I mean I'm a fast reader anyway and since doing the podcast and you know work you know

[00:24:40] [SPEAKER_03]: reading comics and and and scripting and you know some some short comics myself I when I read

[00:24:46] [SPEAKER_03]: them I really have to slow down and you know focus on the art and but man it is it was tough

[00:24:52] [SPEAKER_03]: because that the reading issue one I went through it almost as fast as that GTO was good

[00:25:00] [SPEAKER_03]: I love it man that sounds that's how it should be right it is kinetic I mean it just goes

[00:25:06] [SPEAKER_03]: doesn't let up even you're talking head scenes between I don't know anybody's name Freddy

[00:25:12] [SPEAKER_05]: they're brand new to see yeah Freddy Davis and Anna is the girl he's talking to yeah yeah

[00:25:17] [SPEAKER_03]: even like the talking head see I mean there is just it the dialogue flows really well

[00:25:24] [SPEAKER_03]: you're doing everything in terms of the writing and all the art Becca Carrey fantastic

[00:25:29] [SPEAKER_03]: incredible incredible do it do in the lettering and yeah absolutely incredible

[00:25:35] [SPEAKER_03]: like all of that flows you know really well but man why appreciate him and like I told you

[00:25:42] [SPEAKER_05]: good thanks dude thank you so much well I told you before we started recording like you know

[00:25:48] [SPEAKER_05]: it was first of all it's my first time writing you know and it's cool coming off of notting

[00:25:54] [SPEAKER_05]: hand I mean I got to sit and read David his on scripts for almost five years now so it's like

[00:26:00] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah talk about talk about going to school and seeing how like a proper amazing comic script can look

[00:26:07] [SPEAKER_05]: but yeah it's funny like coming out of notting hand like it was a lot of horses it was a lot of

[00:26:12] [SPEAKER_05]: evil stuff and that was cool but you know my long-term goals in comics art to do is much

[00:26:19] [SPEAKER_05]: creator on stuff work with people like David I love Indies like I love the Indies I do

[00:26:25] [SPEAKER_05]: but I also I would love to draw some stuff for the big two right and you can't get that unless you're

[00:26:30] [SPEAKER_05]: like get good at drawing as much as you can so I kind of had the idea of doing this book where

[00:26:36] [SPEAKER_05]: it's like every issue is something different and this first one being a race car story right

[00:26:42] [SPEAKER_05]: and I'm as terrified to draw cars is most artists are so I was like again you want to learn how

[00:26:48] [SPEAKER_05]: to do it do it for 24 pages and then mean I think 10 to 12 pages or pure race so it's like

[00:26:55] [SPEAKER_03]: it's a lot of cars yeah I mean you we you pick two great cars to uh that have in the comic they look

[00:27:03] [SPEAKER_05]: great awesome now what the backstory on that is so this this issue is a shout out to my dad

[00:27:08] [SPEAKER_05]: who passed away in 2019 and he just did that well thanks man I appreciate it but it was like

[00:27:14] [SPEAKER_05]: the car he always wanted was a 70 GTO and he always like I said I grew up on the farm so my parents

[00:27:21] [SPEAKER_05]: farmed my mom worked out as well but he he wanted to be a race car driver he always dreamed of that

[00:27:29] [SPEAKER_05]: but you know in his era coming from a small town it wasn't the easiest thing to do so so I drew

[00:27:35] [SPEAKER_05]: this in his honor and he loved ghost stories and stuff which I just love weird supernatural whether

[00:27:41] [SPEAKER_05]: or not it's necessarily horror just kind of that you know and I mean this is not a spoiler alert

[00:27:47] [SPEAKER_05]: it's in the title it's race the devil like Freddy gave us races the devil and you you find out how

[00:27:54] [SPEAKER_05]: but yeah that's where that car came from because that was a car dad wanted to help that's fantastic

[00:27:59] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah and I love the great story I mean it's a nice you know my sister your dad

[00:28:06] [SPEAKER_05]: it was fun to draw for that reason because it was kind of like something I've really discovered

[00:28:11] [SPEAKER_05]: in the last few years is like you you have to do stuff you're passionate about right and I

[00:28:18] [SPEAKER_05]: honestly like at this moment in my life I'm like I wanted to do some short stories right I love

[00:28:24] [SPEAKER_05]: weird ghost stories I love one and done comics um I have a lot of people that because I don't

[00:28:32] [SPEAKER_05]: like I come from music and I'm coming to to comics and I have a lot of people that are getting

[00:28:37] [SPEAKER_05]: into comics but they're so intimidated you know because of the they what do I start reading you know

[00:28:44] [SPEAKER_05]: if I'm gonna read this even not in him it's it's three volumes it feels daunting to people that

[00:28:49] [SPEAKER_05]: aren't in comics so I I also wanted to have some books that were one and done like here read this

[00:28:55] [SPEAKER_05]: one it's over by the end right and I yeah I love that stuff I mean I'm a I grew up watching like

[00:29:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Star Trek the original series and I think I I just love that kind of episodic type of story

[00:29:09] [SPEAKER_05]: like I love a big story arc and I think you know there's so many people trying to do the next

[00:29:13] [SPEAKER_05]: like saga or they're hoping to have this 20 year like long run of you know but I just like

[00:29:20] [SPEAKER_05]: I love the way shows like Star Trek used to work where it was like every every week you show up

[00:29:27] [SPEAKER_05]: and you get a one and done story it's like super like you know very compressed storytelling like

[00:29:33] [SPEAKER_05]: you've got a it has to make sense I love that writing these books because all five books

[00:29:40] [SPEAKER_05]: I should probably set this up take place in a small town of broad acres and every book

[00:29:45] [SPEAKER_05]: it's like city in that every book has a different main character but they all live in that town or

[00:29:50] [SPEAKER_05]: they're from that town so they sort of cross paths and you know you know the main character

[00:29:57] [SPEAKER_05]: one story might just show up for a minute in the next uh yeah but anyway I love that kind of short

[00:30:02] [SPEAKER_05]: episodic stuff and I like the challenge of like not having five issues to flesh out one story

[00:30:08] [SPEAKER_05]: it's a cool challenge to get 24 pages to like get some action in there make it make sense and uh

[00:30:15] [SPEAKER_05]: you know yeah tell us some pleats story totally man and to have it just be entertaining and not

[00:30:20] [SPEAKER_05]: you know I'm also like I'm not making any kind of big statements with it I just want to have

[00:30:25] [SPEAKER_05]: some really cool stories that are like a good place to disappear into for yeah why can't I let

[00:30:30] [SPEAKER_03]: it fix and I think Twilight soon is kind of like a good touch to you know I I kind of miss

[00:30:36] [SPEAKER_03]: that type of thing where it's not necessarily horror but like you Twilight's own you know they

[00:30:42] [SPEAKER_03]: had some episodes that were would you consider horror but they had some like psychological thrillers

[00:30:47] [SPEAKER_03]: they had regular thrillers they had murder mysteries they had kind of touching an emotional

[00:30:52] [SPEAKER_03]: stories like it was it was you know the ram the the whole gamut yeah well that's cool maybe I

[00:30:58] [SPEAKER_05]: did yeah no and I love that because I was you know when they were obviously when you write something

[00:31:03] [SPEAKER_05]: then like the publisher like mackeys like okay we have to what is this you know how do we

[00:31:08] [SPEAKER_05]: piss this people in I think Twilight's own just made sense for that reason because it you know I think

[00:31:15] [SPEAKER_05]: music's like this comics are like this I think movies are like this right now where it's kind of like

[00:31:20] [SPEAKER_05]: you know if you say it's horror everybody has an expectation of what that is right so it's

[00:31:26] [SPEAKER_05]: I couldn't quite call it horror that's why I kind of I'm like well it's kind of like sin city

[00:31:31] [SPEAKER_05]: it's a bit like hellboy because hellboys not all straight horror either right like it

[00:31:36] [SPEAKER_05]: seemed like it's kind of some of that stuff is really funny it's not super it's not always heavy

[00:31:42] [SPEAKER_05]: it's not always not heavy it's kind of like I love that kind of thing where it's just it's

[00:31:46] [SPEAKER_05]: whatever you sort of want it to be right and I just I like the kind of stories like this that also

[00:31:52] [SPEAKER_05]: kind of leave you guessing a bit like as to who these people even are like what did I just you

[00:31:59] [SPEAKER_05]: love that I like on sometimes you're like okay that was cool like but I I want to know more

[00:32:05] [SPEAKER_05]: but you're not giving me anymore right I love where the the reader has to make up some of it in

[00:32:12] [SPEAKER_05]: their own mind right like be left to your own imagination I love that stuff oh yeah I mean the rest of

[00:32:17] [SPEAKER_03]: the solicit from like previews is it says for fans of hellboy westerns prime stories race car movies

[00:32:25] [SPEAKER_03]: lost treasure cereals and war stories okay I'm in all right let's take a quick break

[00:32:39] [SPEAKER_02]: after a string of unexplained disappearances in the southern parts of the United States

[00:32:44] [SPEAKER_02]: retired detective Clint searches for his white trash brother while searching for him

[00:32:49] [SPEAKER_02]: he ends up being abducted by aliens he is now in the arena for big guns stupid red necks

[00:32:56] [SPEAKER_02]: an intergalactic cables newest hit show which puts him and he other humans in laser gun

[00:33:01] [SPEAKER_02]: gladitorio combat and his brother is the reigning champion with 27 kills that's the premise

[00:33:08] [SPEAKER_02]: for a new book from band of barns big guns stupid red necks I got a chance to see an advance

[00:33:14] [SPEAKER_02]: preview of this book and being from the south honestly house a bit skeptical going in

[00:33:18] [SPEAKER_02]: but they won me over and nothing is more powerful than an initially skeptic convert my book

[00:33:23] [SPEAKER_02]: in jilly's words big guns stupid red necks is many things but it isn't subtle it tells

[00:33:28] [SPEAKER_02]: you exactly what it is up front then it delivers with a great premise fantastic art and a whole

[00:33:33] [SPEAKER_02]: mess of fun I had a great time reading big guns stupid red necks and what I thought was going to be

[00:33:38] [SPEAKER_02]: an indictment of red net culture quickly showed it was actually a love letter a family mystery

[00:33:43] [SPEAKER_02]: brother pitted against brother aliens fighting for profit and a big arena this truly has it all

[00:33:49] [SPEAKER_02]: issue one is out already but you could still pick up a copy on the band of barns website

[00:33:53] [SPEAKER_02]: and current issues are available via your previous or lunar order form or just ask your LCS don't

[00:33:59] [SPEAKER_03]: miss this get back to the show you give a little bit of kind of like background as to who

[00:34:05] [SPEAKER_03]: you know Freddie Davis is like you open up with with getting a little bit of him you have this great

[00:34:10] [SPEAKER_03]: scene between you know uh him and and and a cop in the town yeah and then like you kind of get into

[00:34:18] [SPEAKER_05]: the sheriff net reading who he shows he's the main character of the second book net written

[00:34:23] [SPEAKER_03]: so yeah well I I just like that you know you you throw in these other little snippets of things

[00:34:30] [SPEAKER_03]: that like might be going on around town like the sheriff gets a call on his radio about something

[00:34:36] [SPEAKER_03]: else that happened in town and you know maybe that'll show up later you know you know is but

[00:34:40] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah there's no real there's no there's no there's no big like like explanation you know uh

[00:34:47] [SPEAKER_03]: like I love lore and I love world building but sometimes yeah let's just get into it

[00:34:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Freddie Davis he wants to know if he's the fastest guy on the track but then that's only what

[00:34:57] [SPEAKER_05]: and he he saw something at one point that he thinks like faster than him and it's just stuck with

[00:35:02] [SPEAKER_05]: him his whole life and he's like I'd say all I want to know and you've got that little flashback scene

[00:35:07] [SPEAKER_03]: where he's kind of like reading the letter and the the map and you got that old race car from what

[00:35:13] [SPEAKER_03]: like the 30s or 40s. Yeah it's like 1933 34. Oh yeah that was I even that like that stuff was just

[00:35:20] [SPEAKER_03]: so good and yeah the coloring in that I really liked how it's all look but that's my first color job

[00:35:27] [SPEAKER_05]: so I because I love dude I love flat color like I love the stuff Luke had did in naughty him like

[00:35:32] [SPEAKER_03]: it looks incredible yeah it's funny right before we got on I was recording another episode

[00:35:37] [SPEAKER_03]: with the Bill and Gilbertson Jason Piperberg and Luca Ramon. Oh no it's just talking to Luca

[00:35:43] [SPEAKER_03]: it's like three in the morning where he wasn't Italy. Oh that poor guy every time he doesn't

[00:35:48] [SPEAKER_05]: interview he he just looks like death he's it's always two in the morning or three in the

[00:35:52] [SPEAKER_05]: morning poor guy yeah but he's like he's a he's just a he's a champ that kid he's always he's up for it

[00:35:58] [SPEAKER_05]: so yeah yeah it was fun talking to him but but no I love the I love flat color man like I you know

[00:36:05] [SPEAKER_05]: I had to set my books down here to make room oh here we go this is like this is beside me all the time

[00:36:13] [SPEAKER_05]: oh yeah a shadow like oh dude like uh Richmond Lewis color like I just I eat the stuff up

[00:36:21] [SPEAKER_05]: like it's it looks like comic books to me also I think like you know with my style like really

[00:36:28] [SPEAKER_05]: kind of like I use a lot of blacks my style is kind of built to it sort of works really well maybe

[00:36:35] [SPEAKER_05]: even better black and white in some ways yeah and I think black color kind of accentuates that

[00:36:41] [SPEAKER_05]: because you you the manicness of it is in the drawing and the colors is there to sort of pop it out right

[00:36:47] [SPEAKER_05]: so um and also I kind of wanted to see if people also dig that sometimes you know when you're

[00:36:52] [SPEAKER_05]: when you're into something I don't know if anybody else likes it like you know maybe people

[00:36:58] [SPEAKER_05]: don't like flat color as much as I do but the more I've kind of done the more people have been

[00:37:02] [SPEAKER_05]: in it so you know I think it kind of it works with the book I think so oh yeah I thought it absolutely

[00:37:10] [SPEAKER_03]: worked I mean I got done reading the first issue and I was just I was like excited right I was

[00:37:15] [SPEAKER_03]: already excited to talk to you I I like nodding them but like I got through reading it and I was just

[00:37:20] [SPEAKER_03]: like it was just it was exhilarating like you really been build the the the tension really well

[00:37:28] [SPEAKER_03]: unlike you you set the scene with like the practice run before he actually like races the devil

[00:37:34] [SPEAKER_03]: but just there's so many little little nods in terms of the dialogue Freddy talking to himself

[00:37:41] [SPEAKER_03]: and like how it looks on the page that yeah like you really build that that tension

[00:37:49] [SPEAKER_03]: well awesome and um in that that race I just think I just think it was just a really great like

[00:37:56] [SPEAKER_03]: great story great first issue it looked great the Becca Carrey's lettering was great

[00:38:01] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah she's been and she's been like I can't wait for the three years crazy yeah she is yeah

[00:38:06] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm glad you like it honestly again it was a bit of a passion project of mine like it was super cool

[00:38:12] [SPEAKER_05]: like Matt Cave is such a good publisher there you know I actually I came up with this idea

[00:38:18] [SPEAKER_05]: it's a very roundabout way that this came up but I was between I think volume two and volume three

[00:38:24] [SPEAKER_05]: nonningham I had a Patreon going for a little while and so kind of to fill space I'd been sort of

[00:38:30] [SPEAKER_05]: writing off and on an idea that maybe I would do sometime and then I had this gap of time before

[00:38:38] [SPEAKER_05]: the new issue of all of nonningham started so I had nothing I had no work really going on

[00:38:44] [SPEAKER_05]: so I'm like okay well I'll I'll write this little story and just serialize it on Patreon

[00:38:50] [SPEAKER_05]: and I did that and so that story actually is going to end up being book two it's the next

[00:38:55] [SPEAKER_05]: the next book heavens trail but I was at New York Comic Con two years ago I think and I was

[00:39:01] [SPEAKER_05]: talking to the chasperne and he was just like oh you wrote a story I can we're not publishing it

[00:39:09] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean they're so cool that way right like I wasn't even trying to pitch it really in that like

[00:39:14] [SPEAKER_05]: this fun little you know I told them straight up I'm like dude I don't know if people are going to

[00:39:19] [SPEAKER_05]: like these like weird little short stories that I draw but like you know he dug the idea and

[00:39:26] [SPEAKER_05]: and then I allowed me to flesh out like three other stories and then the whole kind of thing came

[00:39:32] [SPEAKER_05]: together about it being all these different characters which is taking place in one place

[00:39:37] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah it's cool man like Matt Cave props to them because they do they're so creative friendly

[00:39:43] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean I don't know who else does a talent search like they do like that's

[00:39:48] [SPEAKER_05]: and for them to keep doing it like they don't really need to do it anymore to be honest like they

[00:39:53] [SPEAKER_05]: like you said with Dick Tracy and and Flash Gordon and I mean notting him will continue in

[00:39:58] [SPEAKER_05]: some way shape or form you know they have they don't need to have new creators and and a lot of

[00:40:06] [SPEAKER_05]: other companies I think would say like okay that was great to kind of get us off the ground but

[00:40:10] [SPEAKER_05]: now we're good but they're keeping it going because like they found you know this is self-serving

[00:40:16] [SPEAKER_05]: statement but they found amazing talent like they have found you know so many people that just

[00:40:22] [SPEAKER_05]: like you know I always knew I would break into comics but I thought it would take me quite a while

[00:40:27] [SPEAKER_05]: to just like work my way in but like something like this can really catapult somebody's career

[00:40:33] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah so they're they're super just they're just very creative friendly and they

[00:40:38] [SPEAKER_05]: kind of let me just go with this thing and I'm incredibly grateful so you know if a few

[00:40:44] [SPEAKER_03]: people get something out of it even better yeah well I think folks are are really going to like it

[00:40:50] [SPEAKER_03]: especially fans of nodding him who like your work but yeah I can't wait to see the other stories

[00:40:56] [SPEAKER_03]: I love the concept I love the idea of this town broad acres and sometimes supernatural stuff happens

[00:41:02] [SPEAKER_03]: in it you know because I love that kind of like Twilight Zone vibe or there was a TV show from the

[00:41:09] [SPEAKER_03]: early 90s which was just about a town where weird things happen like Irri, Indiana um yeah yeah

[00:41:15] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah yeah I wasn't really you all have quite a season or two but I just like little things

[00:41:20] [SPEAKER_03]: like that and I mean Freddy Davis kind of reminded me of like say him Eley it a little bit

[00:41:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's got a bit of that vibe.

[00:41:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, a little bit of Sam Ellie and you were

[00:41:31] [SPEAKER_03]: talking about your, you know, your dad and the inspiration

[00:41:34] [SPEAKER_03]: behind the car and Mike, my grandfather, he passed away

[00:41:40] [SPEAKER_03]: in 98 but he, um, he loved to drive fast

[00:41:45] [SPEAKER_03]: and they not that he, I don't know if he had any aspirations

[00:41:48] [SPEAKER_03]: of ever being a race car driver, but that was like the big joke

[00:41:51] [SPEAKER_03]: in the family that he could have been like a race car driver.

[00:41:54] [SPEAKER_03]: And we, I, I remember this that we, we joke, um,

[00:42:00] [SPEAKER_03]: uh, it is funeral from from the church to the cemetery like

[00:42:04] [SPEAKER_03]: we're sitting in the family limo and all, we were all laughing

[00:42:08] [SPEAKER_03]: because we were just like, this is the slowest tease ever going on.

[00:42:13] [SPEAKER_05]: And he probably would have hated that, eh?

[00:42:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, absolutely.

[00:42:18] [SPEAKER_03]: But, uh, Freddie Davis reminded me a little bit, uh,

[00:42:21] [SPEAKER_05]: oh, that's cool. And that's not really good in here.

[00:42:24] [SPEAKER_03]: So that, another reason, another reason to like it.

[00:42:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's, I, that's super cool.

[00:42:29] [SPEAKER_03]: I think good.

[00:42:30] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, and you know, man, it's cool because again, if this is, you know,

[00:42:35] [SPEAKER_05]: any kind of success to be cool to do more even in that, I get to sort

[00:42:41] [SPEAKER_05]: of, it, most of the stories were predicated on stuff

[00:42:44] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm afraid to draw like the, um, so the, the third book is, uh,

[00:42:49] [SPEAKER_05]: is called No Man's Land and it takes place in the first world war, which

[00:42:52] [SPEAKER_05]: is on a huge history buff and world war,

[00:42:54] [SPEAKER_05]: and it's like kind of a thing that I get, I go down to many rabbit holes

[00:42:59] [SPEAKER_05]: on. But I've been kind of scared to draw like a war book, right?

[00:43:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Because it's a lot of attention to detail with like the,

[00:43:06] [SPEAKER_05]: the right guns and stuff like that and just battle scenes in general or a,

[00:43:10] [SPEAKER_05]: or a pain. Uh, I complain about how many times David made me draw these like

[00:43:13] [SPEAKER_05]: medieval battle scenes. So now I'm doing like World War I battle scenes.

[00:43:17] [SPEAKER_05]: So I can't complain. I can't complain about what he sends me anymore.

[00:43:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Right. Right. That's right. Yeah, man.

[00:43:23] [SPEAKER_03]: But if you're going to try and tackle trench warfare.

[00:43:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. Exactly. Um, but it's cool because it allows me to just sort of like,

[00:43:31] [SPEAKER_05]: that's, it allows me to do stuff that I'm a little afraid to do, draw some

[00:43:36] [SPEAKER_05]: stuff that I, you know, I haven't drawn. Uh, so every book is a little bit different

[00:43:41] [SPEAKER_05]: in like where it takes place and kind of how it, it looks a little bit. So, um,

[00:43:46] [SPEAKER_05]: that's just super fun to me that, uh, you know, it's not just going to be the same

[00:43:55] [SPEAKER_05]: environment all the time. And honestly, not in hand was a bit like that because with the second

[00:43:59] [SPEAKER_05]: volume, David took it out of England and then had me researching French cathedrals and

[00:44:06] [SPEAKER_05]: that kind of fun stuff. Yeah. So, um, but no, I'm glad you dug a man and it's cool because

[00:44:13] [SPEAKER_05]: you get to, when you do, like those one and done stories that are all kind of in different places,

[00:44:19] [SPEAKER_05]: it's cool to kind of like, just get your head into that for that period of time. Like, uh,

[00:44:25] [SPEAKER_05]: for instance, I was drawing race the devil. I was watching like days of thunder and, uh,

[00:44:31] [SPEAKER_05]: four versus Ferrari and I started watching all these like I was watching bullet again, Steve

[00:44:35] [SPEAKER_05]: McQueen on my all-time faves. Um, but just, oh, dude, if you want to like draw muscle cars,

[00:44:41] [SPEAKER_05]: like doing cool shit, it's like, come on. But uh, so that was cool. And then, uh, you know,

[00:44:47] [SPEAKER_05]: when that was over and now I'm drawing the second book, I'm almost done it now. Uh,

[00:44:53] [SPEAKER_05]: heaven's trails all, it's like a western, right? And I grew up watching westerns and stuff too. So,

[00:44:58] [SPEAKER_05]: watching like Clint Eastwood movies again. And man, it's just, it's just cool to dive into these,

[00:45:03] [SPEAKER_05]: like, uh, completely different genres that tie into the same world. Like, I don't know, I,

[00:45:09] [SPEAKER_05]: I'd imagine people like me can enjoy that too, or you kind of, again, it's like,

[00:45:15] [SPEAKER_05]: it's almost like you're turning the idea of this book is to be like B movies, right? It's almost

[00:45:19] [SPEAKER_05]: like the idea is that you're almost like turning the channel on a Saturday morning and finding a new

[00:45:24] [SPEAKER_05]: show, you know, kind of like, yeah, 30s kind of cereals or, uh, you know, my, I'm a big B movie fan in

[00:45:30] [SPEAKER_05]: general, like army of darkness. I mean, one of my favorites. Come on. You know, like I love the

[00:45:36] [SPEAKER_05]: people dead in general, but like army of darkness has this that I'm like, that's my era. Like,

[00:45:41] [SPEAKER_05]: that movie came out when I was like 11 or something. So I was like, yeah, I just love. I think I was like,

[00:45:48] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah, I think it was like 92 or 93 when it came out. Maybe, yeah, maybe it was 93. Yeah,

[00:45:54] [SPEAKER_03]: maybe 90 degrees right. I'm a huge army of darkness, you know, Bruce Campbell fan. I think I had

[00:46:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Tony fleets and Justin Greenwood because they did army of darkness forever. I think they're

[00:46:06] [SPEAKER_03]: stir-son. Oh, yeah. I think Tony's still writing it right now, but I think there's a different

[00:46:10] [SPEAKER_03]: artist on it for dynamite. But, um, yeah, a huge army of darkness fan, love B movies. I mean,

[00:46:17] [SPEAKER_03]: I used to stay up as a kid and it was like watch Joe Bob Bragg's monster vision on USA here in the

[00:46:27] [SPEAKER_03]: movies at night. I like something with one of the things about, um, you know, race the devil and

[00:46:36] [SPEAKER_03]: the other books that I can't wait to read is, you know, when they remind me of like something else

[00:46:42] [SPEAKER_03]: and you kind of like get into that, you know, like you were just talking about what you were watching.

[00:46:47] [SPEAKER_03]: But, um, you know, what think of like racing car movies and be like, yeah, you know what? I'm

[00:46:51] [SPEAKER_05]: going to watch Cannonball Run or what a great movie. I love Cannonball Run, man. I love it. You know,

[00:46:57] [SPEAKER_05]: like, looking in the band at same kind of stuff. I'm looking at the band it. Yeah. And I like,

[00:47:02] [SPEAKER_03]: you know, see a Western and then be like, man, you know what? I haven't watched Tombstone in a while.

[00:47:06] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, man, come on. That's like, one of my all-time favorites. I mean, I think that's like,

[00:47:12] [SPEAKER_05]: uh, no secret that it's probably one of them. At least the top five best Westerns ever. I love it.

[00:47:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Uh, anyway, I can watch Bell Kilmer play Doc Holiday all day long. Like, me too. I mean, just like,

[00:47:23] [SPEAKER_03]: there's so many things that I've forgotten, but like there's so many iconic, you know, lines from

[00:47:29] [SPEAKER_03]: from Tombstone. I mean, Kurt Russell of Al Kilmer were like, oh, man. You know, at the top of their

[00:47:33] [SPEAKER_03]: game and I think my favorite is when he's the one guy, yes, where's Wyatt and Bell, Doc Holiday says

[00:47:39] [SPEAKER_03]: he's down by the creek walking on water. Oh, he's like so good. Man, it's so good. But you're

[00:47:46] [SPEAKER_05]: right. It's cool. And I love that too. When you read something that is kind of like, uh, sparks your interest

[00:47:52] [SPEAKER_05]: to be like, oh, man, like this kind of reminds me of this stuff that I want to kind of go

[00:47:56] [SPEAKER_05]: read, discover or or even discover for the first time. Uh, I absolutely love that. Um, and honestly,

[00:48:03] [SPEAKER_05]: like talking about B-moos, I think one of the things that I love about it and it's a, it's a restraint

[00:48:08] [SPEAKER_05]: I put on myself with this series is that like the idea is that they're like, they're being movies in

[00:48:14] [SPEAKER_05]: spirit and that like the best part about B-moos is that you really come to appreciate what filmmakers

[00:48:19] [SPEAKER_05]: can do with very little money and they have to be creative because they can't, you know,

[00:48:25] [SPEAKER_05]: they're not Kevin Faggy. They can't be like, give me as many millions of dollars as like

[00:48:30] [SPEAKER_05]: possible to get everything I ever dream of, you know, in that shot. Yeah. And it's cool because

[00:48:37] [SPEAKER_05]: it's like their forced to, and I think that's why I love the original Star Trek series too. Uh, in that

[00:48:44] [SPEAKER_05]: it's suspended. You got to like, you know, they're, you know, poor William Shattner's there with

[00:48:50] [SPEAKER_05]: it with a styrofoam rock falling on him, but like, you don't care, you're like, because they're,

[00:48:55] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know, I love that where they, they're making do with a small budget and, uh, and doing

[00:49:00] [SPEAKER_05]: cool things with it. And that was one of the restrictions I put on myself. Like I, in race the devil,

[00:49:05] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm like, of course, some of the racing, I mean, if you want a card of look like it's going fast

[00:49:10] [SPEAKER_05]: in a comic book, it can't be on the ground. Yeah, it's always, it's got to be up so it gives you

[00:49:14] [SPEAKER_05]: the illusion of speed. But I'm like nothing can be in this book that you couldn't directly put

[00:49:20] [SPEAKER_05]: on film. That was like, and all the books have been like that to a degree, or it's like everything

[00:49:26] [SPEAKER_05]: in here should be able to like be shot for like, you know, $50,000 and, uh, you know, do like a

[00:49:33] [SPEAKER_05]: grindhouse movie out of. So, uh, and that was kind of fun because you know, you've got to, even

[00:49:38] [SPEAKER_05]: the character design of the devil, that's something you would do in the 70s. Like it's right on

[00:49:43] [SPEAKER_05]: the covers that there's not a spoiler alert, but like, it's not, it wouldn't be like crazy CGI or any kind

[00:49:49] [SPEAKER_05]: of makeup. I'm like, no, you just, you don't see his face. He's got like a mask on and, and that's it

[00:49:54] [SPEAKER_05]: because it's like if this was done in the 70s and they had a small budget, you know, that's it.

[00:49:59] [SPEAKER_05]: They would just, you wouldn't see his face. And I, that's, it's fun to write that way because you,

[00:50:04] [SPEAKER_05]: in comics, it's kind of the opposite of why comics are beautiful in some ways because that

[00:50:09] [SPEAKER_05]: before big budget Marvel movies and that like comics are the only way that you could see somebody

[00:50:15] [SPEAKER_05]: fly or see, you know, the X-Men or somebody that with a crazy character designs like come to life.

[00:50:22] [SPEAKER_05]: Now you can see that in movies all the time. Right. And it kind of, it took a little bit of

[00:50:27] [SPEAKER_05]: the specialness out of what comics could give you up until like probably like the late 90s, right?

[00:50:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Does that's the only place you could get that stuff? But now I'm like, kind of neat to go the

[00:50:37] [SPEAKER_05]: other way and like restrict myself in this medium and try to be like how interesting can you make it

[00:50:42] [SPEAKER_05]: if you don't get too crazy with like the special effects and make it look like a 70s movie.

[00:50:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Right. So, I think that's fascinating. Well, and I really think it works though.

[00:50:54] [SPEAKER_03]: I had a lot of fun with him man, that's for sure. Yeah, I think people are really going to dig it.

[00:50:58] [SPEAKER_05]: Awesome. I appreciate it and I hope so for sure. Hey, issue one is out.

[00:51:02] [SPEAKER_03]: September 4th. So, you know, you can go get your local shop. Know that you want it. Go get a

[00:51:07] [SPEAKER_03]: copy. Usually you can get stuff from from Mad Cave. Yeah, you can order it right on their website.

[00:51:12] [SPEAKER_05]: In Canada, you can't but in the US if you're down in the US, you can order and like I said,

[00:51:17] [SPEAKER_05]: there's my cover, the A cover and then Jason Shunnel, Alexander did just a killer, very

[00:51:23] [SPEAKER_05]: cover for race to double. I like dude, that came into my inbox. I got to tell you. I was like,

[00:51:30] [SPEAKER_05]: two things. I was like, I drew this story for my dad. I had so much fun doing it and it was cool to

[00:51:36] [SPEAKER_05]: create not thinking about the outcome or I'm like, oh, I hope everyone likes it or buy. I'm like,

[00:51:41] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm really enjoying doing this. Then when Jason sent that cover, I was like, come on.

[00:51:48] [SPEAKER_05]: Like, I'd like just created these characters. And now he's doing this like crazy,

[00:51:53] [SPEAKER_05]: beautiful painted cover. I like, man, I was like, just made what a day. It was like one of the

[00:51:58] [SPEAKER_03]: days I've had all year. Yeah, well, that's fantastic. I think people are going to really like it though.

[00:52:03] [SPEAKER_03]: I really do. I think listeners are to definitely check it out. It was so much fun. Awesome. I appreciate it.

[00:52:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Before I let you go, if you have a few more minutes because I'm so much, but I was listening to

[00:52:16] [SPEAKER_03]: one dance done and wanted to talk to you about it because I familiar with your artwork,

[00:52:21] [SPEAKER_03]: but for whatever reason I missed and had no idea that you basically been in this, you know, in one

[00:52:27] [SPEAKER_03]: kid's son, this, Dating Rock Band for like 20 years now is our 20th year. Yeah, crazy.

[00:52:34] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I've been seeing crazy a lot of, because there's been a lot of like mind blowing stuff happening this year.

[00:52:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Right. But yeah, in one years, and you got a new EP, two young to burn.

[00:52:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, the new, the new singles two young to burn, the new EP is called the new shit.

[00:52:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, okay. Okay. So it's, yeah, the new shit, two young to burn,

[00:52:54] [SPEAKER_03]: sister Renegade and I come alive. Yeah, the three songs that you can check for. Yeah, there's their

[00:53:01] [SPEAKER_05]: streaming right now. And then the EP, they'll be six altogether. So they'll be three new ones.

[00:53:06] [SPEAKER_03]: I think September 20th also drop in. So yeah, I like, um, you know, have not been familiar with it

[00:53:14] [SPEAKER_03]: and just, you know, knowing you from your comics work and then, you know, started listening to it

[00:53:19] [SPEAKER_03]: and, you know, like, kind of like reading the story of the band in terms of the different things that,

[00:53:26] [SPEAKER_03]: you know, how, you know, the original members came together. Some of the things that I thought were

[00:53:32] [SPEAKER_03]: fascinating that when, like, I think it was when, um, I don't know your third album, one-bed son

[00:53:38] [SPEAKER_03]: that yourself titled came album came out. And I guess the story I had read that it was like,

[00:53:45] [SPEAKER_03]: some of the singles weren't getting radio placed. You just started showing up at Western

[00:53:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Canadian, like radio stations and like playing scarecros and like rust pocket live.

[00:53:55] [SPEAKER_05]: Well that was exactly it. That was exactly it, man. We actually were my, my drummer and I

[00:54:01] [SPEAKER_05]: are doing a retrospective podcast right now for our 20th called One Bad Pod. You can check that out.

[00:54:07] [SPEAKER_05]: It's got all these stories in it awesome. But yeah, dude, that, that was our first big label.

[00:54:12] [SPEAKER_05]: We got signed to a label in 2010 or 2011 and then we had our first, uh, made like a major release

[00:54:18] [SPEAKER_05]: come out and they very long story short. We put a single out. It didn't do shit on Canadian radio

[00:54:26] [SPEAKER_05]: and, uh, they kind of were like what you got one more chance and we wanted to put scarecros out

[00:54:31] [SPEAKER_05]: and they didn't want us to and we were like, look, if you're giving us one chance, we're going

[00:54:37] [SPEAKER_05]: to, uh, kind of like I was saying about my artwork where it's like, we're going to do the one we

[00:54:41] [SPEAKER_05]: want to do. Like I can't, I don't know what's going to hit with people but I do like we all knew that

[00:54:46] [SPEAKER_05]: song was cool or we at least really believe that it would connect with people. Anyway, we put it out

[00:54:53] [SPEAKER_05]: and it was kind of not doing much on the charts. So we just hatched this plan. Unfortunately,

[00:54:59] [SPEAKER_05]: you can't even do this anymore. Your, his radio stations will rarely have bands in anymore but

[00:55:04] [SPEAKER_05]: in 2011, uh, we just, uh, a Kurt like our drummer, he was in Vancouver, like, like a head court

[00:55:12] [SPEAKER_05]: as he was phoning ahead to all of these radio stations across the country and, uh, and, uh,

[00:55:17] [SPEAKER_05]: Adam and I, the guitar player at the time, got into a car and just drove to radio stations at our

[00:55:23] [SPEAKER_05]: guitars, played the song and then all of a sudden stations started to add it. And, uh, next thing

[00:55:28] [SPEAKER_05]: we knew we were going like across the country went out to Toronto and, um, the thing got added.

[00:55:34] [SPEAKER_05]: It was our first top five in Canada. So, uh, that kind of launched the band into, like, much more

[00:55:41] [SPEAKER_05]: success than we had had the ten years prior. So, um, and then after that, yeah, do that, that led to

[00:55:48] [SPEAKER_05]: everything else. We eventually, excuse me, we eventually got our first number one in 2017 and just

[00:55:54] [SPEAKER_05]: had crazy shows open for the Rolling Stones in 2019. And yeah, I'm in my, my rock and roll life

[00:56:00] [SPEAKER_03]: has been, you know, I've been awesome. For deaf leopard, I think you just pre-s. Yeah, pre-s.

[00:56:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Shine down, we did it to the Rolling Stones and some of their shows and yeah, they had one,

[00:56:13] [SPEAKER_05]: they had one major show in Canada in 2019. So, we got to, we were on that bill, which was like 80,

[00:56:19] [SPEAKER_05]: 80,000 people watching those guys man out in a field in Canada in Ontario is nuts. That's awesome.

[00:56:25] [SPEAKER_05]: And what was the first number one was that raging bull? Yeah, raging bulls are first number one.

[00:56:30] [SPEAKER_05]: So, uh, and you know, then it's actually pretty crazy. Like, yeah, I could go on about it, but it was

[00:56:35] [SPEAKER_05]: kind of the synergy around it was that after that record, like we burned out, we toured so much.

[00:56:42] [SPEAKER_05]: We did a massive tour in the US opening for Sebastian Bach for like three months straight.

[00:56:46] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, that's awesome. It was dude, amazing. It was great to see your country, like literally

[00:56:51] [SPEAKER_05]: top the bottom, back to the top and back to the bottom. And then, yeah, Sebastian Bach famously from

[00:56:58] [SPEAKER_05]: from Skid Row. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, we got home and shortly, that was the end of 2019

[00:57:07] [SPEAKER_05]: then the pandemic hit. And in that time, I was starting to draw again because I always knew I

[00:57:14] [SPEAKER_05]: wanted to do comic art and, you know, music's been awesome to me, but I also knew that like,

[00:57:20] [SPEAKER_05]: I've always wanted to do this career. Like, I just, and it was kind of time. Anyway,

[00:57:24] [SPEAKER_05]: the timing just, it was really something else because the pandemic hit just after I'd won

[00:57:31] [SPEAKER_05]: the the Mad Cave contest and then nodding him started when I was sitting at home with nothing to do

[00:57:37] [SPEAKER_05]: and music was shut down. So it's kind of been the transition. So all B.S.s. and we're not quite as

[00:57:43] [SPEAKER_05]: like we don't tour as much as we used to, though, you know, we're still playing shows and putting

[00:57:47] [SPEAKER_05]: up music. And now it's music and comic books and yeah, but acting too on the side. So whatever

[00:57:52] [SPEAKER_03]: creative stuff I can get into, I love it, man. Well, I love I the songs I listen to,

[00:57:59] [SPEAKER_03]: I really love the sound like, um, uh, to me, I was like, you know, you don't hear on the radio anymore,

[00:58:07] [SPEAKER_03]: like, like what I would consider like, you know, rock and roll, like, like the stuff that I thought

[00:58:12] [SPEAKER_03]: when I think of rock and roll, like 70s, 80s. Like I grew up on Zeppelin and then like when I was

[00:58:17] [SPEAKER_05]: in the industry, it was all Sam Garden Allison chains like that was my stuff. But you know,

[00:58:23] [SPEAKER_03]: maybe it's US radio, but, you know, unless you're, you know, you have satellite radio and

[00:58:30] [SPEAKER_03]: the specific rock channel if you just have like the regular radio one, even like what the 93

[00:58:35] [SPEAKER_03]: 3 here in Philly, like the rock station, you know, you don't hear too much, like what I would consider,

[00:58:41] [SPEAKER_03]: like, new music folks that are making it that sounds like rock and roll. There's a couple of bands

[00:58:47] [SPEAKER_03]: that I do like, like Dorothy and there's there's a few others. But yeah, I just, I, I love the sound.

[00:58:55] [SPEAKER_03]: I love your voice. Oh, thanks, dude. I appreciate it. But yeah, for if listeners are curious about it,

[00:59:01] [SPEAKER_03]: you can go on, you know, Spotify or look up their music, but, you know, um, I really like made in

[00:59:10] [SPEAKER_03]: the name of rock and roll, the 2017 album that raging bull is on. But yeah, scarecros, from one

[00:59:17] [SPEAKER_03]: band son, sunflower from Orange City, I really liked, into the light. I think was my favorite.

[00:59:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Those are classics. They're classic. That's the, you're first out in 2006. This aggression will not

[00:59:29] [SPEAKER_05]: stand. I think it's a big little basket. A big little basket. Shout out. Come on. Yeah.

[00:59:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. Um, and yeah, the, uh, two young to burn and, uh, I come alive and sister Renegade that

[00:59:41] [SPEAKER_03]: are going to be on the new EP. I, I really liked as well. So yeah, definitely check it out. Give them

[00:59:48] [SPEAKER_03]: a listen. Um, yeah, I mean, I'm adding it, adding it to the playlist. Oh, the way awesome. Hopefully,

[00:59:54] [SPEAKER_05]: you like the new stuff too when it comes out. And honestly, like, I just feel very like, uh, it's been

[00:59:59] [SPEAKER_05]: a ton of work. But man, it's, it's cool. And people start to connect with your stuff and, uh,

[01:00:05] [SPEAKER_05]: and now especially like people are getting into the comics and music. And it's been cool.

[01:00:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Man, like I played some old BS shows in the last year that people have been bringing comic

[01:00:15] [SPEAKER_05]: books to the merch table. Uh, and then like, I'll do a signing for comics and people are bringing,

[01:00:21] [SPEAKER_05]: like, OBS merch to get signed there. Yeah. It's cool. Man. It's great. And honestly,

[01:00:27] [SPEAKER_05]: that's the thing I love so much about just the world of art in general. Is it like, all it

[01:00:32] [SPEAKER_05]: does is bring people together. And I know like there's people that like to sit online and they

[01:00:36] [SPEAKER_05]: they'll literally shit on anything, uh, because they don't have lives or talent or drive.

[01:00:41] [SPEAKER_05]: But you know, that's, I don't really care about those people. Um, but I do absolutely love

[01:00:48] [SPEAKER_05]: that like this just brings everybody together. You go to a rock show or whatever you're into.

[01:00:54] [SPEAKER_05]: You don't know people's political affiliations. You don't know any of that shit. You just

[01:00:59] [SPEAKER_05]: know that you're there for this, you know, to just be there and like experience music together.

[01:01:05] [SPEAKER_05]: Same with comic books, right? It's it's so cool going to like the first time I went to, uh,

[01:01:10] [SPEAKER_05]: to New York Comic-Con and people are coming up to me that obviously I've never met and just talking

[01:01:15] [SPEAKER_05]: about how much they love notting him. And I love him, and it's just like the, the arts do nothing but

[01:01:21] [SPEAKER_05]: bring people together. Like, especially just if there's something that you dig and like you

[01:01:25] [SPEAKER_05]: started off the show talking about how there's something for everybody out there. You know what I mean?

[01:01:30] [SPEAKER_05]: It's like anything that you're into. There's cool stuff to check out. So uh, in a big show

[01:01:36] [SPEAKER_05]: it ought to you too, man, because um, you know, indie comics, there's so many amazing indie comics.

[01:01:43] [SPEAKER_05]: And you know, it's you're never going to really compete with the big two because, you know,

[01:01:47] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah, it's all. It's been around since the 30s, same as Batman. It's a tough, that's a tough

[01:01:53] [SPEAKER_05]: nut to crack. Um, but you know what without people like you like championing indie comics.

[01:01:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Honestly, man, it's like, it means the world to us so I really, really appreciate everything you do.

[01:02:04] [SPEAKER_03]: No, well, thank you. Thank you very much. I appreciate it. I love doing it. I love comics. I love,

[01:02:09] [SPEAKER_03]: I love talking to, you know, we're also what I have an opportunity, you know, to talk to you and

[01:02:14] [SPEAKER_03]: talk comics and art and music and like learn something and, you know, even just the research,

[01:02:19] [SPEAKER_03]: the little bit of research that I do before one of these and kind of dig into it. And uh, you know,

[01:02:24] [SPEAKER_03]: and go through an afternoon and listen to some of your songs, you know, some of, you know,

[01:02:29] [SPEAKER_03]: one bad sun songs. And oh, that's cool. True grit was the odd, really like true grit. You know,

[01:02:34] [SPEAKER_05]: Westerns come on, you know? That's, I mean, that's that's John Wayne's only Oscar in that, you know,

[01:02:40] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah, the cogburn like unbelievable. I like the the the new version too, but I mean classic

[01:02:47] [SPEAKER_05]: true grit, uh, John Wayne version is just like, yeah, one of the all-time face and I and you have a

[01:02:53] [SPEAKER_03]: in the true the true grit song, you have, uh, I guess it opens with a clip of that, right? Yeah,

[01:02:59] [SPEAKER_05]: it's his famous line when he does the he does the gunfight where he puts the reins in his mouth

[01:03:04] [SPEAKER_03]: and then he's got, he's got the two guns like, yeah, come on. Yeah. Well, Shane, this has been

[01:03:12] [SPEAKER_03]: absolutely awesome. But before I forget shouting to my brother Bobby, if I haven't done it yet,

[01:03:17] [SPEAKER_03]: I think I think I forgot, but my brother Bobby is the cryptid creator corner's number one

[01:03:22] [SPEAKER_03]: most dedicated fan. Bobby listens to all my episodes and he loves lots of comics. So I always

[01:03:26] [SPEAKER_03]: shout out to Bobby and yeah, Bobby's going to want a copy of race and devil. Awesome. Cheers, Bobby.

[01:03:32] [SPEAKER_03]: All right, Shane. Thank you so much listeners. Race the devil, uh, September 4th.

[01:03:40] [SPEAKER_03]: By the time you're listening to this issue 15 of nodding and we'll already be out. So

[01:03:44] [SPEAKER_03]: if you if you have not read nodding in yet, I don't know what you're waiting for. I'm going to tell

[01:03:48] [SPEAKER_05]: you, Jimmy, I'm going to tell you this. I'll tell you this before I go because yeah, this will

[01:03:51] [SPEAKER_05]: come out after the last issue of nodding him. You'll be crying. They'll be tears in your eyes,

[01:03:55] [SPEAKER_05]: man. But when people listen to this, they'll be tearing up. You know that issue in their hands,

[01:04:00] [SPEAKER_03]: I think so. I think so. All right, listeners. Thank you so much for listening. We just recently

[01:04:06] [SPEAKER_03]: passed our 250th episode of the podcast. So really appreciate you listening and, um, you know,

[01:04:14] [SPEAKER_03]: we do it so you can hopefully find your next favorite comic, uh, but Shane. This has been an

[01:04:19] [SPEAKER_02]: absolute pleasure. Thank you so much. Thank you so much, dude. All right. This is Barron O'Neill.

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