Tate Brombal Interview - Green Lantern Dark & Batgirl

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[00:02:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Hello everybody and welcome to today's episode of the Cryptic Creator Corner. I'm Byron Anil, your host for our comics creator chat.

[00:02:57] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm joined by a returning guest to the show, Tate Brumble. Tate was on last June promoting his Dark Horse Comics project, the Oddly Pedestrian Life of Christopher Chaos, which is now happily on its 12th issue.

[00:03:08] [SPEAKER_04]: A rarity in comics these days. I love that series more on that later because we have a lot to cover focusing on his new project Greenland or Dark from DC Comics.

[00:03:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Tate, welcome back to the show.

[00:03:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Hello, thank you for having me back. I love the show so I am a happy returning. It's great.

[00:03:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you so much. I knew you were done big things and thanks so much for letting Jimmy and I be a little small part of your journey.

[00:03:32] [SPEAKER_04]: And you've got not just one but two DC Comics projects dropping soon. Congratulations. I feel like I need that like super Mario level to do.

[00:03:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Like level up thing going on. Are you feeling there's a lot of buzz about the projects right now?

[00:03:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's very cool. It's a bit surreal. It all lined up very interestingly. I'm sure we get into it more but I've been developing Greenland Trin Dark for like 2 and 1 half years pushing 3 years.

[00:04:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Wow. Bad girl has been like in development like barely a year. So it's just been now they're both coming out like 2 weeks apart, which is just how comic functions.

[00:04:12] [SPEAKER_01]: But it's very cool.

[00:04:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's really great. They kind of play off of hopefully you'll play off the hype of each other. I'm glad Greenland Trin Dark is my first DC book because it was one of first developing and it means a lot to me.

[00:04:26] [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm hoping like people read that and then like 2 weeks later, I'll show up again in the comic shops and book grab back roll to that would be great. Like some of those very covers for back roll are stellar just like outstanding.

[00:04:40] [SPEAKER_01]: And there are more that have not been released that I am just like dying for the world to see. It's like, I don't know how they grabbed some of the best artists and they're takes on cast or just incredible like it's really cool.

[00:04:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Nice. Well, jump again to Greenland or dark.

[00:04:54] [SPEAKER_04]: We know this is an elsewhere story which I find amazing. It's such fertile ground to explore characters and kind of a more untethered way, you know, which I am always beating that drum. I love seeing established characters through a new lens where you don't have so many constraints.

[00:05:08] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, some of my favorite DC projects have that tag attached like Batman Redrain stuff or Superman Red Sun. This is a part of that initiative to return to the concept again for these popular out-of-continuedy storylines.

[00:05:22] [SPEAKER_04]: So as far as Greenland and iterations we've had a few down the years, Evel's might 2001 Emeral Knights and I'm including the darkest night which was Batman.

[00:05:29] [SPEAKER_04]: I was listening to your interview on Comics Online at STCC and that was on YouTube and about how your uncle gave you a copy of Kingdom Compton back in the day and that being hugely influential for you. So what's the backstory there?

[00:05:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. So I didn't know anyone really that Red Comics growing up. There was very much me and a bubble. My parents were not comfortable people, they were not superhero people.

[00:05:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I found my own way into it, mainly through just like the movies coming out at the time.

[00:06:05] [SPEAKER_01]: The original Spider-Man, the X-Men movies I was obsessed with, I even loved the Ben Affleck Daredevil.

[00:06:12] [SPEAKER_01]: So it was just like I was the perfect age for them. I loved every single one.

[00:06:17] [SPEAKER_01]: So I got into comics just Googling Marvel Comics, follow up on the movies because there's more stories that exist for these characters.

[00:06:28] [SPEAKER_01]: So I found my own way into comics, started going to a comic shop weekly and then when my uncle realized that I was reading comics he was a big comics like a bird ago guy.

[00:06:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Like in the 80s and in 90s. So he saw that, saw me reading comics and I was like amazed that someone else might be able to read them because no one else has shown any interest or like a nice thing to take like Siri.

[00:06:53] [SPEAKER_01]: So I remember discovering that and at the time I was reading Magneto Testament monthly.

[00:07:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Another like very just like at that time at that age reading it, like this is what comics can be this what superhero comics can be.

[00:07:12] [SPEAKER_01]: So I was pulling Magneto Testament and I handed him that series and it was like this is like a book I'm loving right now like check this out.

[00:07:22] [SPEAKER_01]: And he read it, loved it, returned it and then the next time I visited him.

[00:07:27] [SPEAKER_01]: He like I was on the couch and he walked by and just plopped down like every single issue of them come on the couch and how it's like, okay, what is this?

[00:07:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I was mainly the marvel at that time because I was just facing the movies.

[00:07:43] [SPEAKER_01]: And then so that kingdom come was the first DC comic book I read.

[00:07:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, and the only other, the only other like versions of the characters I knew were from the Justice League cartoon that I grew up with and teen titans which I grew up with.

[00:07:59] [SPEAKER_01]: And then like the Batman, like Tim Burton's Batman movies.

[00:08:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Ryan Singer's Superman had come out so like those were the versions of the character I knew and I knew like obviously a lot about Superman Batman just from like cultural like ice of those characters.

[00:08:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Sure.

[00:08:14] [SPEAKER_01]: The kingdom come was like the first time I sat down with DC characters in a comic book form and those were like the first version of those characters I read.

[00:08:22] [SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, and I don't even know if I knew it was an elseworld comic.

[00:08:26] [SPEAKER_01]: I was just like what is happening? Like the story is wild and like there's like just the impact of it.

[00:08:33] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, it would like you really it was really incredible and obviously I was wrongs is like artwork because I didn't know comic to look like this.

[00:08:41] [SPEAKER_01]: So then I like chased down marbles and red marbles as well because they just loved what he was doing.

[00:08:46] [SPEAKER_01]: So I know kingdom come was the first like an elseworld comic was the first DC comic I read so it's like very cool to know my first DC project is an elseworld comic.

[00:08:54] [SPEAKER_04]: That's awesome and I'm wondering how much different if you hadn't hit that sweet spot with those movies.

[00:08:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Your comic journey might have been if steel with Shaquille O'Neill had been you right?

[00:09:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, well, there's something specifically appealing about you wanting to tell a green lantern story in the elseworld.

[00:09:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Well actually the project was brought to me.

[00:09:20] [SPEAKER_01]: So I didn't pitch the story Ben Abernathy who was the original editor on this series had there he had kind of collected a bunch of ideas that had kind of been developed at DC for

[00:09:35] [SPEAKER_01]: a previous like line wide reboot or iteration of what they could have done with new characters that never came that never happened or came to fruition.

[00:09:46] [SPEAKER_01]: So one of the properties was the idea of a green lantern who was magic based and there were even like character designs kind of done up.

[00:09:55] [SPEAKER_01]: And there was even like a rough outline and a character description.

[00:10:00] [SPEAKER_01]: But and so the project landed in my emails.

[00:10:05] [SPEAKER_01]: I quickly like digested it all and I saw the potential like I was like green lantern fantasy book is everything I would want to do if I was going to do green lantern.

[00:10:20] [SPEAKER_01]: But like this I kind of I took it all and then was like I like the base idea of this and then just rewrote my own version.

[00:10:30] [SPEAKER_01]: It was like I would take this idea and came up with a totally new character or new character name, totally new story.

[00:10:38] [SPEAKER_01]: I really like everything was new except just the idea of like a green lantern fantasy green lantern book.

[00:10:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay so I returned to Ben with like a totally new breakdown of what my version of this would be and Ben was kind of like I guess taking a back and like surprise that like I kind of.

[00:10:58] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know I think he was just surprised by what I came up with and was like holy crap like I really liked this and originally it was supposed to be a one shot comment.

[00:11:06] [SPEAKER_01]: It was just going to be like a one shot within a mini series of other ideas that I've never been used.

[00:11:13] [SPEAKER_01]: But he read my breakdown and my pitch for that one shot and was like yeah, no we're we're going to do this as its own like max or mini series.

[00:11:24] [SPEAKER_01]: So we got taken out of that book I don't think that mini series happened and then he was like I want to do else worlds and this will be like one of the launchbook so then and else world, he started building else worlds and then this book got pushed.

[00:11:40] [SPEAKER_01]: So it's kind of like the long-winded version of it but yeah I kind of took that initial spark of like green lantern with fantasy and was like hey, but how would I tell this story and then.

[00:11:52] [SPEAKER_01]: This is what came out of me basically.

[00:11:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay well there are eight members of the green lantern core on earth so you know with an else froze project you don't have to worry about continuity.

[00:12:03] [SPEAKER_04]: So why introduce a new one like what what did we go that route.

[00:12:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I think partly because the option was there and the character I wanted to write was unlike any other green lantern that I had read.

[00:12:19] [SPEAKER_01]: So then I couldn't like be like oh this is John Stewart but I didn't feel like a John Stewart like the characters and talk like John Stewart this might not be a John sort of story.

[00:12:30] [SPEAKER_01]: So it's like if the option is like this is a brand new universe of story I'd rather just kind of have a clean slate where people can't really bring preconceptions of a character.

[00:12:43] [SPEAKER_01]: I can be like no this is this and it just feels like more like this is me doing green lantern this is my version of one and allowing me to kind of create a character from scratch like really.

[00:12:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Kind of freed me up to.

[00:12:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Just really lead my mark on this some like the eye like the icon that is green lantern.

[00:13:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was and there was the idea like tangent green lantern was always involved with the property.

[00:13:13] [SPEAKER_01]: With the eye with the initial idea.

[00:13:16] [SPEAKER_01]: So I knew it had to be somewhat related to the tangent universe like that character so it kind of just came out of that.

[00:13:25] [SPEAKER_04]: But we know a few of the new lanterns characteristics already this is Rina Mori so she's a reluctant hero you've talked about how much will power will play a substantial role with her development.

[00:13:37] [SPEAKER_04]: As a disabled person I was immediately attracted to this project because of her struggle you know I feel that constant pull of atrophy is somebody with loopas whose bodies always doing weird shit.

[00:13:48] [SPEAKER_04]: And in big picture society there's a there's a sense of hopelessness that that I'm seeing in a lot of younger people so why make that kind of the nucleus of hers a character that that fight for hope via this will power vehicle to overcome.

[00:14:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well a couple things.

[00:14:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Talking about will power like I just find big that's the nucleus of the green lantern character like they operate on bill power.

[00:14:15] [SPEAKER_01]: And their greatest weakness is the like the fear is fear and like hopelessness so.

[00:14:23] [SPEAKER_01]: The second part is I was really wanting to make her a contemporary character like take the green lantern and be like what is the version of this character and their story in time like today times yeah that feels relevant and pertinent and like kind of matters in a way.

[00:14:42] [SPEAKER_01]: And so I was I was initially coming up with all this stuff in 2021 so it was short after 2020 and the world was still feeling.

[00:14:54] [SPEAKER_01]: All the way I'm so I poured all of that anxiety.

[00:14:59] [SPEAKER_01]: And struggle and hopelessness into the book and even beyond that like just the looming environmental threat that is always.

[00:15:11] [SPEAKER_01]: How for you know for us is just like do we have hope like when it's this bleak or like seems this bleak.

[00:15:18] [SPEAKER_01]: How do we find that will power to persevere or continue to fight the fight to make sure there's a still a planet.

[00:15:26] [SPEAKER_01]: So I and the green lantern is literally the perfect superhero to have that conversation because Reno Mori is a character who.

[00:15:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Functions on will power but barely has the will power to get out of bed in the morning.

[00:15:44] [SPEAKER_01]: So that is going to be her struggle and she's going to learn like where do we find will power and if we can't find it within ourselves like how do we where do we find it where do we get it.

[00:15:58] [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah it's like I feel like this is a really special circumstance.

[00:16:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like very grateful to be telling the story with such an iconic brand as a green lantern like that character.

[00:16:11] [SPEAKER_01]: I have it feel so relevant and like I don't know I want this to be an effective story and get people like hopefully just be super relatable and people.

[00:16:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Even though she's sometimes a terrible hero is just more like we were in that position with the weight of the world.

[00:16:29] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like just what that struggle feels like is really just kind of like the compass of the series.

[00:16:37] [SPEAKER_04]: It makes for a very relatable hero too.

[00:16:39] [SPEAKER_04]: So what else is in her DNA? Did you have anything else in mind when you're kind of putting her together.

[00:16:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, she's kind of pulls from that classic just like fantasy loner like a strider type who's like kind of made up their mind and like hunched over in the corner of the bar doesn't want to be bothered.

[00:17:02] [SPEAKER_01]: So she kind of pulls from that so she's very dry and very.

[00:17:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Just wants to be she's kind of she's kept her light low and she's kind of from everything she's been through is just like don't let people close so it pulls on that type of archetype.

[00:17:21] [SPEAKER_01]: This book is also a lot about just like trauma and the effects of trauma and like times like these so she has a lot of that and a big part of the book is just working through what that is and how you.

[00:17:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Find your way through it.

[00:17:44] [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah she's a very.

[00:17:48] [SPEAKER_01]: She is she's a difficult character she has struggled a lot and she sometimes is not the nicest person but hopefully readers will understand like why she is that way.

[00:18:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Well typically we come to associate greenlander stories with being more cosmic more sci-fi, you know you talked about this being fantasy and magic and it's actually set in New England, you know which immediately connotes that that.

[00:18:12] [SPEAKER_04]: And you have to think of a whole lot of craft there.

[00:18:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Solomon Grundy and his ended army are kind of the primary antagonist, you know and that's Solomon returned to his roots is an enemy of the goldnage island Scott you know the original green lantern.

[00:18:26] [SPEAKER_04]: So in terms of the topography of the setting what appealed to you about that place specifically.

[00:18:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Well I at some point I was like where do I set this story because it's a post apocalyptic earth like the earth has fallen evil has won or like the darkness has won.

[00:18:46] [SPEAKER_01]: And it was going to be like in America so it's like where in the where in America the way set this fantasy horror comic I was like no New England's just the no brainer.

[00:18:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.

[00:18:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I went a step further and when they like cut as close to make event of the earth.

[00:19:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Kind of falling happens New England actually like broke off with constantly US and like is now just an island in the middle of the Atlantic.

[00:19:12] [SPEAKER_01]: So it's like really an isolated New England environment where monsters are just like festering and they're everywhere.

[00:19:18] [SPEAKER_01]: So it's green lantern versus all all types of monsters some of them love crafty and some of them more classic the first yeah the first issue is very like grundies the antagonist.

[00:19:33] [SPEAKER_01]: He is not the primary antagonist of the series who will be introduced and issue two okay.

[00:19:39] [SPEAKER_01]: But grundy.

[00:19:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Part of it was yeah I'm going to do a new green lantern I want her first villain to be like Alan Scott's first villain so I brought I was like.

[00:19:53] [SPEAKER_01]: And then it made even more sense because.

[00:19:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Just the lineage of this character comes from tangent pre-lantern and her whole thing is that she could raise the dead for them to like.

[00:20:06] [SPEAKER_01]: For them to live out one more wish or to like resolve their problems on earth.

[00:20:12] [SPEAKER_01]: So that just worked perfectly into tying into grundy who is kind of like this.

[00:20:16] [SPEAKER_01]: This zombie character and our book he can also raise the dead so it's it's grundium his like zombie hoard so title just fit perfectly for what this was and we wanted to be like a very clear like horror comic from the first issue.

[00:20:31] [SPEAKER_01]: So grundy was a perfect fit I loved writing him I love what we did with him in his zombies right there had a lot of fun designing him.

[00:20:42] [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah no it just worked perfectly and I'm really excited for.

[00:20:47] [SPEAKER_01]: So reveal of the villain in issue two who is also a brand new character but comes from comes from a lineage of characters as well and she is she is all on a farm to write so.

[00:21:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the exciting stay tuned then.

[00:21:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Well as I understand it you know there's no ring or it doesn't start with the ring anyway and that feels a lot like D&D you know playing with a magic lantern to make all the darkness disappear which is also an Allen Scott not as well because he started with the lantern fashion to ring from it.

[00:21:20] [SPEAKER_04]: You know as someone with a background anthropology material culture in comics just.

[00:21:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Fascinate me sometimes I get lost a little too much maybe in it so what did you want to downplay that the classic role of the ring in this story and.

[00:21:33] [SPEAKER_04]: And pivot to a lantern.

[00:21:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Well I didn't think it was necessary for this story or this character and the symbolism of a flame and a lantern against the literal darkness was just too strong that I didn't think a ring would add to it.

[00:21:48] [SPEAKER_01]: The rings also are very associated with like oath which makes sense like the green lantern out and there's no version of that in our story.

[00:21:56] [SPEAKER_01]: That at least Reno Mori knows because she doesn't know much about what she is but she so there wasn't there's no larger brotherhood or core to like need to have this kind of the symbol of that ring.

[00:22:09] [SPEAKER_01]: So the um yeah just like the visual of like.

[00:22:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Her with like a with her literal green lantern and the green flame that against the like the dark night is just like too strong as like let's just keep it as iconic as simplest possible.

[00:22:26] [SPEAKER_01]: We haven't and it's just and again like the tangent green lantern only also only had her came in her lantern so it's carrying over from that we kind we do more we kind of take the concept of that tangent green lantern and.

[00:22:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Push it further and develop it much more but we just wanted it to be that simple iconic image of the green lantern and her literal green flame.

[00:22:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, has a lot of metaphorical way.

[00:22:53] [SPEAKER_04]: The lanterns can be seen as an allegory for the divine you know lighting the wave and others to see you know and the terror deck it has a particular meaning it's 6.

[00:23:01] [SPEAKER_04]: The first point is star the seal of Solomon which is a symbol of wisdom and solitude learning things that you can only learn as an individual so i'm gathering here from what you're saying we're going to get into both of those things she's a symbol of hope for others but personal growth is also something that's going to happen.

[00:23:16] [SPEAKER_04]: So it seems like the lantern has sort of character in into itself and so how did you want to merge those because it.

[00:23:24] [SPEAKER_04]: It feels like it's almost a curse even for her from what from what you're describing.

[00:23:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the lantern definitely has a lot of that symbolism behind it, especially.

[00:23:38] [SPEAKER_01]: That idea of.

[00:23:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, even that like terror reading of what it represents is just like she also needs to be like terror and that type of stuff only matters if you're willing to read into it if you're willing to accept that so for whole thing is even.

[00:23:55] [SPEAKER_01]: If she'll accept the lantern if she'll accept these powers properly or it and there's no path to healing or becoming this heroic version or a better version of yourself until you're willing to accept it so that is her.

[00:24:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Of big part of her journey and along the way she'll find things or she'll think she's getting better she'll think she's improving to quickly realize that this is just another.

[00:24:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Projection or another mask or another something she's kind of hiding behind.

[00:24:27] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's and won't be until everything is kind of stripped away and she finally like reckons with who she is and what she is so yeah that that is all plays and director a lot.

[00:24:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Which is like my my favorite thing to do I just love that getting into characters heads and pushing them through that stuff and I'm like this just the iconic symbolism that plays into all of it especially just graphically because.

[00:24:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Like comics is the best place to do that so.

[00:24:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no that's totally all part of her journey.

[00:24:58] [SPEAKER_01]: I forget the second part of your question if I don't know if answer that.

[00:25:01] [SPEAKER_04]: No, no you definitely did I mean just that just that the lantern itself feels like a burden you know.

[00:25:07] [SPEAKER_04]: And I guess that yeah totally.

[00:25:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah that's been clear across you know different green landing characters so that's nothing new but it sounds like from what you're describing to that community is going to play a fairly significant role.

[00:25:20] [SPEAKER_04]: And just hoping her find herself.

[00:25:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's she's going to against her well there will be a little family growing around her that will pull her out of her own to her own shadows and towards the light.

[00:25:36] [SPEAKER_01]: She definitely sees it as a curse will see why when like her origins kind of are revealed.

[00:25:46] [SPEAKER_01]: She didn't exactly want this power or responsibility and it's so then it just becomes a question of but you do have the power and with that the responsibility so like what to do.

[00:26:01] [SPEAKER_01]: So that is kind of that informed a lot of the story.

[00:26:07] [SPEAKER_01]: All right, let's take a quick break.

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[00:26:25] [SPEAKER_04]: While searching for him he ends up being abducted by aliens.

[00:26:29] [SPEAKER_04]: He is now in the arena for big guns stupid red necks an intergalactic cables newest hit show which puts him and he other humans in laser gun, gladiatorio combat and his brother is the reigning champion with 27 kills.

[00:26:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Thus the premise for a new book from Bandabarans big guns stupid red necks.

[00:26:49] [SPEAKER_04]: I got a chance to see an advanced preview of this book and being from the south honestly how's a bit skeptical going in but they won me over and nothing is more powerful than an initially skeptic convert.

[00:27:00] [SPEAKER_04]: In Jimmy's words big guns stupid red necks is many things, but it isn't subtle.

[00:27:05] [SPEAKER_04]: It tells you exactly what it is up front then it delivers with a great premise fantastic art and a whole mess of fun.

[00:27:11] [SPEAKER_04]: I had a great time reading big guns stupid red necks and what I thought was going to be an indictment of red net culture quickly showed it was actually a love letter.

[00:27:19] [SPEAKER_04]: A family mystery brother pitted against brother aliens fighting for profit and a big arena this truly has it all.

[00:27:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Issue one is out already, but you could still pick up a copy on the Bandabar's website and create issues are available via your previous or lunar order form or just ask your LCS don't miss.

[00:27:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Let's get back to the show.

[00:27:38] [SPEAKER_04]: One of the things that I love about LCS projects are that they tend to create their own really unique distinct visual sandbox.

[00:27:46] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, thinking back to others, the Chacon and Brerton thrill killers one of my favorite batman stories because there's there's nothing else visually like it in that bat the batman kind of log of stories.

[00:27:57] [SPEAKER_04]: But you and and where they're I'm assuming have at least some sort of tangential working relationship established with something is killing the children and how so slaughter franchises so what can we expect that.

[00:28:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Will make this visually distinct from you to as a creator combo.

[00:28:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no me in where they have become like the best of friends so because we met because of house of slaughter and then just through.

[00:28:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Just through some like convention circuits we always that similar ones and then I was in Italy a couple years ago to summer for last summer and we I met them for dinner and then that dinner is.

[00:28:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Actually, how we became the artist on this book because I was telling him about it.

[00:28:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Because like our artists just dropped out like.

[00:28:45] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what to do like I'm so worried about this book and like finding the right feel and like I wasn't even pitching it to them but he liked stopped me mid conversation was like I want you to ask me to draw this book and I was wow.

[00:28:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Because you just resonated with like the story I told him.

[00:29:03] [SPEAKER_01]: And I didn't think it was impossible because he's still drawing something's come with children all time he's just now drawing a second series on top of that which is crazy.

[00:29:13] [SPEAKER_01]: But I know we get along extremely well.

[00:29:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Last New York Comic Con we were we shared a hotel room together we had dinner every night together so we are like we've become friends and yeah so and I think you can feel that in this book.

[00:29:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know it just it feels really special with the pages it like it looks like nothing else in superhero comics right now it's totally it's really totally unique and that's all over there and it's all Giovanna the colorance.

[00:29:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Issue we're getting all of Giovanna's colors in right now of issue three and they're just like out of this world like I have not seen anything that looks like this in Cape comics and so long.

[00:29:56] [SPEAKER_01]: And so we're really bringing like what he does and somebody is coming with children he's he loves.

[00:30:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Manga and horror manga especially horror manga from the 80s so i'm like that huge influence for him.

[00:30:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah but the way the like the blacks in the whites like the dark and the light in this book work is just incredible and so intrinsic to like the story itself.

[00:30:19] [SPEAKER_01]: There it is bringing everything they need in like can to this book and it's really it feels special so I'm like really proud of like them and what we're making here.

[00:30:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah this the sample pages that are out online that I checked out blew me away it is simultaneously exactly what you'd expect from him and not what you'd expect as you alluded to in a Cape comic book and it.

[00:30:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah really jumps out at you you know he hasn't done much superhero work in the past on major characters I think there was some spider man stuff back in 2014.

[00:30:52] [SPEAKER_04]: But it does lean so heavily into that dark visual space just like something is killing the children with these very heavy shadows you know and and.

[00:31:01] [SPEAKER_04]: The darkness really beating back the light as if the darkness itself is also an entity.

[00:31:08] [SPEAKER_04]: So you know there's that really familiar silhouette to me that was struck between rena and the specter who has another green line and reference kind of point in there with all Jordan.

[00:31:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah so the two of you working together on this feels.

[00:31:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Like serendipitous in a way is that is that how it felt to you I mean what was it.

[00:31:30] [SPEAKER_04]: I know we're dinner because that's the right.

[00:31:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no this entire project feels very serendipitous like everything kind of lined up and in like a few years like I don't know if this book could have existed so it was just like this moment where everything came together and it's now.

[00:31:49] [SPEAKER_01]: It's just incredible to see it coming out and how good it looks and how special it like really feels so I think it's a rare comic and.

[00:32:00] [SPEAKER_01]: I said this about like Barbellian red planet my first comic I ever worked on where I was like if I if this is the only comic I ever right like I would be so happy because I was so proud of it.

[00:32:11] [SPEAKER_01]: But like I'm now feeling the same way about this project from like if this is my life I go out with this book like I will be happy because like this is it just feels that special.

[00:32:19] [SPEAKER_01]: So it's it really it's really cool to me and part of.

[00:32:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Wow that's an amazing feeling because after reading.

[00:32:26] [SPEAKER_04]: The Barbellian book that was when I knew I've got to get tate on the podcast because this book is it's one of my favorites say it's absolutely incredible story so if people haven't read that please go back and pick that up it's it's an amazing book.

[00:32:42] [SPEAKER_04]: And and I can't wait to see how all of this develops because from what I've seen nothing else will be like it on shelves and you're enthusiastic for it.

[00:32:53] [SPEAKER_04]: It absolutely is selling me even more so I'm pretty hype about that.

[00:32:56] [SPEAKER_04]: And when I wanted to touch on the other DC project you have announced so that's back girl you know so several Cassandra Twitter exposes from Paris Elaine hopefully I'm getting Paris's last name.

[00:33:09] [SPEAKER_04]: But interpretations of her which are so good I've used them for actually coloring practice for myself.

[00:33:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Well I know the Cassie me as a Zella is working with you on the book as the artist so our pages rolling in for that have you actually seen things yet.

[00:33:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah it's um the first issues actually after printer okay he the question is.

[00:33:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Almost on all the pencils on issue too so he is he is like I don't know he's just a pro he's been in the industry for like.

[00:33:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Just like he's like he's just a pro at what he does so any I don't I've never.

[00:33:47] [SPEAKER_01]: I know I've said this about further and other people but like I'm stick what to Cassie's bringing to this book also feels like totally like he's left still leveling up even though he's been in comics for 20 plus years.

[00:33:58] [SPEAKER_01]: I like haven't seen his work look like this.

[00:34:01] [SPEAKER_01]: I think he's just embracing the fact that it's a martial arts action comic and like really leaning into that and it's like a total like there's the energy to it is so good.

[00:34:11] [SPEAKER_01]: The fight choreography I'm like how did you there's so much going on in this.

[00:34:15] [SPEAKER_01]: This panel in this spread but everything connects and like this beautifully choreographed by scene.

[00:34:21] [SPEAKER_01]: So it looks really good and I love.

[00:34:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Because the book.

[00:34:28] [SPEAKER_01]: The story really centers on Cassandra and they achieve on their relationship and his just character acting between like mother and daughter and they're back and forth is it's like really incredible.

[00:34:40] [SPEAKER_01]: And so much acting even though like Cassandra the full for this issue she's fully in her mask so all the acting is like in little thing you can't see her face but you still know how she feels.

[00:34:50] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's I don't know he's he's doing such amazing work on it.

[00:34:53] [SPEAKER_04]: So do you have any background in martial arts that you have to go back with was scripting and learn anyway how to script it like that.

[00:35:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, like I the only more started it was like karate all through like my younger years.

[00:35:10] [SPEAKER_01]: But but I basically went and watched a bunch of martial arts movies like I rewatched a bunch.

[00:35:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah and I and a lot of them really did influence like how I approached.

[00:35:24] [SPEAKER_01]: The fight scenes especially like in production tiger hidden dragon every the choreography of every fight scene is so much more than just like cool punches and kicks like it's rooted in the characters and like with no dialogue you know what their fight is what their struggle is and it's this push and pull and it's amazing.

[00:35:43] [SPEAKER_01]: So I really wanted to I pulled a lot from that especially the Shiva and cast dynamic.

[00:35:49] [SPEAKER_01]: These two characters were better with their fists than their words so they just they just battle it out through the way they know.

[00:35:58] [SPEAKER_01]: So that that's been a big influence and the Cassandra just takes it and makes it so much better than I can imagine it's the really amazing.

[00:36:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Do you have an in origin point yourself with Cassandra as a character.

[00:36:11] [SPEAKER_01]: So with Cass I fell in love with the character as an adult because I I really was like a marble head of the kid and it wasn't until I was discovering finally found like the treasure trove like I obviously read a lot of the classic DC books.

[00:36:31] [SPEAKER_01]: But Cass wasn't really in those kind of seminal collections or those big books but um.

[00:36:38] [SPEAKER_01]: When I finally like dove really into DC and was like finding this treasure trove of comics.

[00:36:45] [SPEAKER_01]: I some of the first characters I like really poem with were Lady Shiva in the question like her first appearance post crisis in my I'm just like.

[00:36:55] [SPEAKER_01]: She's only in this book for like a handful of pages and she is just has this presence to her that I adore.

[00:37:04] [SPEAKER_01]: And then with Cass it was like her.

[00:37:10] [SPEAKER_01]: 2000 like solo title on back.

[00:37:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Where I just like read through the whole thing was like this is like this character is so fun and so unique and so like perfect for the Batman world.

[00:37:22] [SPEAKER_01]: And then the the story of the series kind of came from a conversation again with Ben Abernathy when he was still at DC we loved working to learn green lantern.

[00:37:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Really intern dark and.

[00:37:39] [SPEAKER_01]: San Diego 2023 we were just having a meeting.

[00:37:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Having drinks and talking about and I was like I want to get into the bat books because he was a editor on Batman.

[00:37:50] [SPEAKER_01]: So I was like what like let's talk about like back characters like who do you want to see like what that's time with characters and he said you know what I've.

[00:37:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I wanted like like a Sandra can's an interesting character like we need another background and I was like a Sandra like out of all the characters in the bathroom like that's my character like I love her so.

[00:38:09] [SPEAKER_01]: We just we both wanted to make a cast came book and we kind of discovered that not all night so then it just became about finding out what the story would be and I always felt like.

[00:38:20] [SPEAKER_01]: The lady Shiva that I name it with lady Shiva had been explored.

[00:38:26] [SPEAKER_01]: But I still felt like a lot of it hadn't been resolved fully or in some ways it kind of feels like it has but every time her mom or heaven forbid her dad comes back into her life she kind of.

[00:38:38] [SPEAKER_01]: The father of the father and becomes this little girl again so like I kind of I felt like that's very relatable especially just like people no matter how old you get like your relationship with your parents like you kind of you kind of revert to the younger self or if there's.

[00:38:53] [SPEAKER_01]: And he struggled in the relationship like that kind of gets compounded even more so I wanted to just write a story that finally takes these two characters and it's just them against the world and battling through their own issues while also having their backs against the wall.

[00:39:11] [SPEAKER_01]: needing to fight off whoever's trying to kill them and they need to work together and half the time they're fighting each other so it's just.

[00:39:20] [SPEAKER_01]: That dynamic I really wanted to do a story that just finally.

[00:39:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Kind of.

[00:39:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Address is a lot of the hub messy those kind of relationships and get just parental and child relationships so it's a lot of that and it's a it's I'm having a blast it's really it's really fun.

[00:39:38] [SPEAKER_04]: I can assure you as you get a little older those relationships will also flip where you will find yourself being the parent of your parent and going through that myself right now.

[00:39:50] [SPEAKER_04]: That's it's pretty unique it's it's a it's a shift for sure.

[00:39:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, what I'm hearing is for anybody out there listening who wants to break into writing at DC getting the perfect artist is you better have the right alcohol right.

[00:40:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and this is a 25th anniversary feature for her it's that is that right right it's like it's.

[00:40:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because she debuted in 1999.

[00:40:18] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know I forget the month right now but yeah basically which is really cool and it's been like 18 years.

[00:40:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, her last year is ended.

[00:40:29] [SPEAKER_01]: So she's been do a bad girl series of our own which was another like I knew people would be excited and the response was like incredible they got back to trending and then was that like.

[00:40:43] [SPEAKER_01]: It was like I was floored like I knew it would be exciting and received with a lot of anticipation but just like I was I was completely for it and.

[00:40:53] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know it's it's very cool and I feel very like honored and privileged to be like contributing to this character who like so many people love and just relate to.

[00:41:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, we talk about social media being absolute garbage and it is I like to be clear it is but at least in this case it sounds like that love that you were able to receive from people who are excited about it.

[00:41:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Took some of the anxiety off of right.

[00:41:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it just affirmed a lot of my own feelings like yes this character deserves a spotlight and like affirmed all the reasons I love her and why other people love her.

[00:41:29] [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I'm really excited for people to pick it up and see like what where we're taking her.

[00:41:36] [SPEAKER_04]: And that drops early November mid November.

[00:41:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a one say the nine I think it's like the second Wednesday in November whatever that is November six cool it'll be yeah.

[00:41:53] [SPEAKER_04]: All right, so everybody needs to get pre-waters in that that's that's the book book.

[00:41:58] [SPEAKER_04]: And back.

[00:42:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Well and in Chris for chaos people need to pick this up to you.

[00:42:04] [SPEAKER_04]: I've been pulling it monthly we're now on issue 12 I haven't picked 12 up yet I'm on 11 I just haven't got over the area.

[00:42:11] [SPEAKER_04]: The twins are actually fantastic characters always had a thing for world wolves and now as somebody with loop us a disease that carries that Latin wolf genus namesake.

[00:42:21] [SPEAKER_04]: I can really personally impotize with with characters who struggle to control their their bodies response to a virus or whatever the catalyst in this particular case might be you know and I didn't get to ask this last time but where did the idea of the because spirit cats come from because that's a really cool twist I just I didn't see that one coming.

[00:42:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Let me think it's been I think okay so at one point so we really wanted someone in the cast who was human.

[00:42:49] [SPEAKER_01]: And she because she is not a monster herself we wanted there to be like a human ally or representative in this like this monster and shit monster club.

[00:43:02] [SPEAKER_01]: And then the idea of the cat came super late like I think I had already I think I was writing her spotlight the character was already designed and I'd already written up like her whole character she'd buy all my ideas about her and then I was writing issue three which is her spotlight issue where she kind of narrates and we get to see a peek into her life.

[00:43:24] [SPEAKER_01]: And I was like something is missing and then for some reason I was like ghost cat she's missing ghost cats.

[00:43:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Of course why not ghost cats yeah I was so then I honestly I don't know where they do I just I love cat and I was like.

[00:43:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I wish I knew where they came from but for some reason in my brain ghost cats came before I think I think I was also we were trying to play on different types of monsters and we hadn't touch ghosts.

[00:43:53] [SPEAKER_01]: So like how do we get ghosts into this book and then I was like what if she has ghost cats there.

[00:43:59] [SPEAKER_01]: And then I came up with like her the choker with like her the the Janet that with other tethered to eventually it'll be revealed more about the history of that when it gets more.

[00:44:10] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a more.

[00:44:11] [SPEAKER_01]: But.

[00:44:12] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah so I just I really wonder I love the visual of her having these ghost cats I don't know I didn't see it before and I knew people would love that I love it so it.

[00:44:27] [SPEAKER_04]: And I really enjoyed the 7th and 8th issues where you get a little bit more of Adam's history I did not see that one coming so that was that was really cool different artists and everything.

[00:44:38] [SPEAKER_01]: That was some of my like favorite stuff I some of your stuff ever written in the book where I.

[00:44:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Because I love like Mary Shelley's Frankenstein so much so and like even as I had read it I read it of like a few times but even as I like that first there's just pieces of it that just moved me so much especially I think what kind of issue 7 where it's mostly Victor story.

[00:45:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Where he gets a obsessive drive.

[00:45:12] [SPEAKER_01]: And then I got to like queer it a bit which was like I always like read into novel that's like Victor he's like leaving Elizabeth constantly he's like leaving her letters unanswered.

[00:45:24] [SPEAKER_01]: But then Henry his best friend from childhood shows up at his door and he like abandoned everything for Henry so I'm like and.

[00:45:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Just like his relationship with Henry in that in the novel was always just interesting because like when Victor kind of collapses in his thick like Henry is the one that comes and takes care of him.

[00:45:42] [SPEAKER_01]: So I just really leaned into that and I was like I get to rewrite this iconic story for our universe like I'm just going to like queer it as much as I can then kind of feed that into the nucleus of those characters and then how that feeds into Adam as a character as well.

[00:45:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I just I had so much fun writing those I'm really proud of those issues and there will be more that is only the first two parts of Adam story will eventually get to the rest.

[00:46:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Nice yeah I really enjoyed it it feels honestly when you look at the historical route I think they were at.

[00:46:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Lake Geneva where the the germ of that idea came from and everything that was going on with Mary and Byron and like the the Poledory Association to.

[00:46:26] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean it feels very historically accurate to take it in that direction so yeah I read an entire Mary Shelley biography because I was just so into it.

[00:46:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Which then informs.

[00:46:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Boyle or will be introducing the bride.

[00:46:45] [SPEAKER_01]: And I got heavily into Mary Shelley and read about her entire life as research for that so I'm very excited for that to come out.

[00:46:56] [SPEAKER_04]: So I haven't actually read a biography of of her was there anything interesting about her as a character it is not more part of the the established you know.

[00:47:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Small short version of the story like the log on if you will.

[00:47:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, like I think the wildest part for me is that she only really became a celebrated person in literary history and history period until like.

[00:47:25] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't like recently like it was either the sixties or the 80s like one of the major like feminist movements where they actually looked back at just historical.

[00:47:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Literary history right kind of took Mary Shelley and her mother Mary Wilson crap yeah and started celebrating them.

[00:47:44] [SPEAKER_01]: So that just how recent it is where we actually realized like how intelligent and incredible this woman was.

[00:47:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Because up until that point she was just written off.

[00:47:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Um as Percy's wife so it was just like.

[00:48:00] [SPEAKER_01]: So I think that's a big part where she was written off is just like a wife even though she was the one that collected and edited and re-released all of Percy's poetry.

[00:48:10] [SPEAKER_01]: And like kind of was the one who took like she kind of she had one point abandoned had to abandon her writing career just in order to take care of as a state.

[00:48:18] [SPEAKER_01]: So she kind of stepped back as who she was in order.

[00:48:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Because like Percy's death like radically changed her like she will she a lot of that most of her children died.

[00:48:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Percy died so she was just as woman who was constantly believe her by so many tragedy.

[00:48:36] [SPEAKER_01]: So then when Percy died like she.

[00:48:39] [SPEAKER_01]: She literally guarded his heart a Byron wanted his heart and she was like you can't like his literal heart and Percy was like you can't.

[00:48:47] [SPEAKER_01]: And like she took his heart to make sure no one else would get it and that Byron wouldn't get it.

[00:48:53] [SPEAKER_01]: So she I don't know she kind of stepped back from what she was capable of who she could be.

[00:48:59] [SPEAKER_01]: To be this wife and like take care of her husband's the state and I don't see that in a way as like.

[00:49:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Like she wanted to do that like obviously she wanted to be this writer and continue what she wanted to do but she loved Percy so much and like wanted to.

[00:49:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Make sure his estate was saying.

[00:49:16] [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't she like and she got so much of that from her mother who she never knew because and Mary Wilson crap so the biography was a dual biography of both Mary.

[00:49:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, and every chapter would go back and forth.

[00:49:29] [SPEAKER_01]: But it was amazing I learned so much about both of them and how much Mary Wilson crap like impacted Mary and just like growing up in the shadow of this incredible woman.

[00:49:38] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know it's fine when I'm tangent but I no no no I wanted you to who's the writer of that.

[00:49:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Let me pull it up.

[00:49:48] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a really excellent book it like really.

[00:49:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Let me find what it is.

[00:49:57] [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, no I became obsessed with Mary Shelley still obsessed but I I really love.

[00:50:05] [SPEAKER_03]: So it's called romantic outlaws by Charlotte Gordon.

[00:50:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, right down.

[00:50:11] Yeah.

[00:50:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's really good.

[00:50:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Well I have more than a passing curiosity with all that stuff my mother very conservative.

[00:50:21] [SPEAKER_04]: So they're in woman had she's a was an English teacher and she had no I she just wanted a literary name for me.

[00:50:26] [SPEAKER_04]: So I got by her and then I was like did you do any research at a whole about about who he was because I kind of think you probably would not have named me that if you did.

[00:50:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Well it's cool because a lot of biographies are pretty hard to mire and I think fairly.

[00:50:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this one is like really influenced by both Mary's actual diaries and actual words and a lot of.

[00:50:50] [SPEAKER_01]: And Celery diaries like filling in gaps and pieces and it gives a better well rounded picture of Byron and who he was because he was a really good friend.

[00:50:59] [SPEAKER_01]: No like to marry especially Mary Shelley when like the rest of the world turned their back on her.

[00:51:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Specifically just because she was a woman at a time being very radical.

[00:51:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and Byron was one of was at points the only man who likes stood by her so he had like a lot of great.

[00:51:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Like has that especially for that time.

[00:51:22] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, he was also Byron was going to buy her well.

[00:51:26] [SPEAKER_04]: And he was a bit of a bastard.

[00:51:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Well in terms of Christopher Chaos we have the trade available people can pick that up if they if they want to go back.

[00:51:37] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm a trades guy so that fact that I'm getting it monthly should should tell you a lot about how I feel about it so make sure to pick it up.

[00:51:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Make sure to get your pre-orders in for Greenland or dark and back row because.

[00:51:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Hey, having a lot of fun clearly with these and it sounds like he's got some really cool stuff plan anything else dropping soon that that you'd like.

[00:51:54] [SPEAKER_04]: And I will say, Steve Fox always leaves me guessing with a color or a word reference so if you're willing to just drop one of those.

[00:52:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I know I'm talking about this spot.

[00:52:05] [SPEAKER_01]: So what's coming out is another thing that's coming out is the Christopher Chaos Halloween special which we have heard as well.

[00:52:13] [SPEAKER_01]: That comes out October 26 or 30 a final just in time for Halloween and that is where our universe is bride will debut.

[00:52:24] [SPEAKER_01]: And why we did all of this very Shelley research is why you will see why or like this character come to life in that Halloween special.

[00:52:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, like color I'll say there's something in development the color is yellow.

[00:52:42] Okay.

[00:52:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh yeah, it is well, Tate thanks for coming back on and visiting with us.

[00:52:48] [SPEAKER_04]: I appreciate it. It's always great to have you on.

[00:52:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, no thank you. I was so happy to come back to see.

[00:52:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. Oh and we're can people find you online.

[00:52:57] [SPEAKER_04]: I'll put in the shot.

[00:52:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just at Tate Bromble my name on Twitter slash X and Instagram.

[00:53:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay. I'll put them in the links. This is Byron and on behalf of all of us at Come Book Yeti. Thanks for tuning in and we'll see you next time. Take care everybody.

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