Ted Brandt & Ro Stein Interview - Worst Man

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They have a, graphic novel that's gonna be coming out in August, August 25, I believe, called worst man. I got to check out the 70 page preview of it. It's awesome. I am so excited to talk about it. But please, welcome to the podcast, Ted Brandt and Roe Stein.

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Ted, Roe, how are you doing today?

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We're good. Thank you. We we finished the book this week, so we've slept.

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Oh, that's excite I mean I mean, I think online, at least where I was looking, it looks like to be about 240 pages. So that's, that's that's quite an accomplishment. Yeah. It's it's been it's been

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a it's been a slog. Your

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your rest is is is well deserved. Yeah. I got to see a preview of it, and I I've been a a fan of your of of both of your work since I I guess crowded was when I first came across, which I absolutely loved. And so, yeah, I was so excited to see that worst man was coming out. And then to read the preview of it, it's it's absolutely delightful.

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Just tell listeners so they they, they don't need to hear it from me. They hear me enough. Kinda just give us a break a little bit of a breakdown as to what worst man is about.

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So, I mean, like, it all came from, like, just me kind of one day just going, weddings have a best man. Why don't they have a worst man? And so we started working, like, working out what that was what that job would look like. Like, you know, it'd be someone whose job it is to, like, do the opposite of protecting the wedding. And so

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We came up with a guy whose job is to ruin relationships. And But but ethically.

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Ethically. Because he he's very clear on this. He's very clear on it. He does have a

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Rad Rad does have a bit of, like, a moral compass. Yeah. There's certain things we learn early on that he he won't do. Like, he doesn't wanna he doesn't wanna do, like, a classic honeypot scenario to try and ruin the relationship. So he has standards.

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Yeah. And and, like, he he own his his big rule is always that, like, he he'll only take a job if you can con if someone who, like, knows one of the couple can convince him that that they truly genuinely believe they'd be better off broken up. Like, then the problem is the one time he broke his rule was because a horrible billionaire offered him too much money to say no to. And now that, yeah, that didn't work because he was only in it for the money, not because it was the right thing to do, and that that's come back to bite him on the ass. And two years later Yeah.

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Here she is again demanding his services. Only this time, not only is her daughter her second daughter eloping, so he's got a terrible time frame, but also

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If he doesn't do it, she'll kill him. Yeah. Yeah.

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I mean, a couple of things right off the bat. I really like the kind of the ticking clock of it all, you know, that it comes up. It's like, I think the wedding's in thirty two hours or something, thirty six hours, something along those lines. So we we I I like that that we we already have that kind of weight pressing down in terms of there's a very short clock. We learned that last time that he did this, for the same awful billionaire, he had six months to kind of plan and prepare.

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So we learned something about him in terms of he he does usually, like, have a plan. He kind of doesn't just go into things blindly, and now he's already on a bit of a a much shortened, clock. And then you do a couple of really smart things in terms of the, you know, the the setup. He has a, he has a partner in crime that he kind of reluctantly gets them to join him. We're on kind of like an island with just a hotel, so you're kind of, I I think, smartly limiting the number of people in terms of, like, the control, you know, in terms of the, like, the staff and the island staff.

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So now it's really you have your rad and nevus, and then you have, the the guests at the wedding. The thing that struck me the most other than that I love how expressive all of your characters are is how, I mean, how funny it is. I mean, just really I don't I think comedy, I think, is really hard to do in a comic because so much of comedy. I've said this before on the podcast when I talk to folks who have, like, really funny funny whose funny books are funny books. But it you know, there's so much in terms of timing that, like, you can't control.

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You know? Like, when you're telling a joke, when you're doing stand up, when you're watching a TV show or a movie, great writing is certainly part of it, but there's a lot in terms of the delivery, which as a in a comic book, you can't control how fast somebody reads it, how fast somebody turns a page. So I think there are some things that make it a little bit more difficult. But, yeah, it's really funny. I mean, I just was I got to I flew through 70 pages, and I was like, ah, well, this sucks.

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I gotta wait till August. But it's it's just it's real really, really funny, which is the one thing that stuck out to me. So can you

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just talk to

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me a little talk to me a little bit about that because I think it is tough to do. Tell me, you know, if I'm wrong, did you you find in the writing of it? Like, did that come naturally? Was it a ton of, like, working and reworking to get the comedic elements right? And, also, I'm really curious in terms of your comedy influences.

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We actually spent a lot more time figuring out the plot than figuring out how to make it funny.

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Yeah. Like Oh, okay. We the this the the scaffolding on the book was enormous. Like, because before before we wrote it, we spent probably a month working to, like, you know

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Bullet point every single plot beat.

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Like, so, you know, we we we studied heist, like, heist stories. We studied romantic comedies, look like looking for structural commonalities, making sure that, like, we and and not only, like, saying structural commonalities, but, like, exactly where in stories certain turns and beats would happen. So that, like, by the time we came to write it, you know, we had, like, well, the key bits need to go on on a story graph here, here, here, here, here. And then it was it was actually quite easy to then, like, start working out, like, well, how do you get from this point to this point, and what needs to happen? We and also, like, studying things like death at a funeral, a British fast movie for anyone who hasn't seen it, Highly recommended.

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It's great. But that's also got, like, a lot of moving parts. And, so looking at, like, that and just seeing, like, what kind of what types of characters are needed to make an engine like this feel, like, complete. And then

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A lot of the comedy comes from what these types of characters would how they how we think they would react to certain things happening. So if you have the plot, you can figure out where the comedy comes from depending on who is doing what in that bit of the plot.

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Yeah. So, like, the actual writing of it and making it funny wasn't that hard because we put so much time thinking into what will make for naturally comedic situations that when we got there, was quite easier. Oh, of course, it'll be this.

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It also helps that there's two of us because we can it's a big aim to if one of us is writing a bit down to try and make the other one laugh. So so that helps.

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Yeah. It definitely does.

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Oh, that's awesome. Yeah. I mean, because there are I mean, even the like, I haven't obviously read all of it, but, like, there even in the beginning, the whole the setup, there are a ton of moving parts. I mean, especially once we get, you know, to the island to to where the the wedding is supposed to take place because Rad and it's it's Nevis. Right?

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They have to they have to deal with the staff. They have to, like, meet the guests. They they have to they have to, like they they do their setup. They there's stuff to have to do with the the actual, like, putting the wedding together, decorating the the food. There's also been, like, this this, terrible wedding planner that I cackled when they referred her, I think, as evil Leslie Knope.

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Was, so there there are, like, a ton of moving parts, and it kinda reminded me of, like, a a classic almost like a classic screwball comedy in terms of the setup, you know, where you have where you have those elements of a a lot of people. Somebody is not who they say they're going to be. I love those those older movies in terms of and I just thought that they had a lot of things already that I that I liked about it, that I felt like I was kind of, you know, kinda sitting down on a Saturday afternoon and, like, watching one of those classic one of those classic films. You know? I mean I just thought it was great.

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Yeah. I mean, like, we we really love films like Some Like It Hot and stuff like that as well as, you know, more modern romantic comedies. So, yeah, there's a lot. There's there's a wide variety of DNA in there.

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We also really enjoyed Frasier. Yeah. The the original sitcom, not the remake of the new stuff, but there's so much farcical humor in that that really we really enjoy

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And also doing. We also like Shakespeare, and there's a lot in that as well. Like, a lot of our influences in this do have, like, that kind of high paced farcical stuff that, you know, goes on misdirection and Assumptions. Assumptions and misconceptions. They're they're the bedrock of a lot of good comedy.

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Oh, yeah. Oh, absolutely. And I I just love that. It it definitely had that feel to it. I was kind of thinking of, like, I mean and and just going back to things like even bringing up baby and and, you know, movies movies like that going back that far, it had a lot of those same touch tones to it.

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And, yeah, it just was so funny. But I I have to imagine that creating that scaffolding, I think, Ted said, had to be really helpful because you you do have a lot going on.

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Oh, yeah. I mean, like, the scaffolding was was so useful because we wrote the first draft, handed it into the editor, and, like, the first draft ended at the required page count without us particularly trying to. It just that's where it naturally happened. And Okay. All we all we got back was dialogue notes, no structural.

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So it it made things really smooth. So how

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long overall? I'm just curious from, like, inception to getting that first draft done. Like, with all of the planning, how long did that take?

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Because it was probably, like, a month of work over a couple of months when we were doing some other stuff as well.

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Alright. Wow. That's actually not as long as I I I thought it would have been because it is it's it is very well put together.

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Some of it is that thing is, like, because all it was about a month of work, it was spread over a couple months while we're doing stuff. So, like, the subconscious had time to process bits Yeah. While we weren't specifically doing it.

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I mean and there are some really, I mean, really good bits in this. The the groom, I think we we learn early on that the groom met the bride because the groom had lived, with the bride's cousin, Waldo. And, like, through the early part of the book I can't wait to see what happens. Through the early part of the book, Waldo is, like, trying to find a job, and it is like, there's this there's one scene. I love the structure of the the paneling.

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I love how it's all done because there's a ton of stuff going on, and we get little snippets of the conversation as all the guests are arriving and, like, having drinks. And and, it's just like conversation of conversation of Walter trying to find a job in AI. Like, everyone he talks to, the stay the staff at the company has all been, like, laid off or the company shuttered. It's Yeah. Was a really, really fun a really fun bit, a really fun, you know, kinda takedown of of AI.

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I just thought it was really good.

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Thank you. I mean, like, it it the plot gets more anti AI as it go as it goes on. As like, we're not we're not hiding our not hiding our beliefs here. You know? Yeah.

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The the the villain is a billionaire. AI is shitty. It's it's all it's all out there for everybody to see. But, I mean, like, that scene you're talking about was a lot of fun because one of the one of things we're trying to challenge ourselves with was there's so much in there to that we had to find ways of making exposition not feel like exposition because, like, you've I mean, you've read the first 70 pages. Like, up until page 95 is pretty much all exposition, really, like, setting up for the pry like, for the real stuff happening.

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I I mean, yeah, there is well, there I mean, there is a lot

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of there is a lot of

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setup because even though you've you've kind of dealt with, like, the staff at the hotel, which is kind of part of the interesting thing that Rad's trying to do, and and that's the kind of, like, the the similarity to a heist part of it all where he tries to deal with the staff so he can have control of the situation, in terms of what it is he's gonna try and do to enact this, evil billionaire's plan. But you still do have a lot of the guests, and you have to introduce all of them. And, you know, because of the comedic nature of it, they all really have pretty heightened personalities. So you have to but you do find really clever ways. Like, there are really interesting ways in terms of the character design, in terms of giving them all these, like, little moments that we we really do kinda get a good glimpse of of who these folks are that I'm sure is gonna, you know, pay off down the line.

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But, yeah, it's a it's a lot to introduce. I love the bit that the groom is, like, wearing a blindfold the entire time in the beginning. That's just, like, so ridiculous felt like a a classic comedy, you know, moment. Like, there's no reason for that. It's just so ridiculous.

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And but it it pays off so well even in the the beginning.

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Yeah. I mean, well, he he's right. It's bad luck to see the bride.

[00:15:24] - [Speaker 1]
Is. It is. But, yeah, I I thought it's just so good. Talk to me about in terms of not just this the structure of it, but, like, putting, like, the actual design and layout of, the book because I I mean, there are just a a ton of interesting panels, interesting angles, the way the the story is laid out. I don't know if there's anywhere in it that looks like a, what I'll call a quote, unquote, like, traditional, you know, comic page.

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Like, I don't think there's that one page where it's just, like, five or six little squares. It all helps because, you know, there is you said there is a lot of exposition, but you're introducing a lot of the characters. But it all visually looks very, very interesting. And plus, like I said, I love your character designs. I love the colors of the book too.

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But I maybe you could just talk to me about your your your process in terms of actually designing and laying it out.

[00:16:21] - [Speaker 3]
Well, one of the things is, is a bit of an expansion of what we were doing in Crowded because there's a lot of stuff we had to see in Crowded, and that the amount of stuff that you have to see in there, it would we wouldn't have been able to fit everything on the page if we had done traditional just blocks of stuff. So we have a lot of things of basically collaging stuff together. Yeah. It's like, well, these are the shots we want. How can we fit these on the page?

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While also fitting in the dialogue so that you can still see these you know, the dialogue's there, but you can also still, like, see enough of the scene to make it worth having.

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And also make sure that there's a a flow throughout the page and all that kind of things. Is basically Yeah. We're just scrambling and a weird jigsaw puzzle.

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Yeah. Well, it's all it's all very like, same as the writing. It's all very conscientious of, like, trying to make sure we can maximize the impact of each page and make sure that, like, you know, we get the timing right. We get the information delivery right. We the every page does exactly what we set out to do with it.

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And so, yeah, sometimes that means, like, yeah, very unconventional panel shapes in order to make sure that it does all fit together.

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Also, I still think I like right angles. That could be that

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that could be it. Because, like, even when they're even the closest you get to, like, a standard layout, let's say, there's a couple of points I'm thinking of where Rad is talking to the bride, and then right after that, there's a scene where Rad is talking to the, Kafka, the the best man. Yeah. And even though that's more or less it it has the the basic shape of what I'll call, like, kind of standard, you know, comic booking stuff, there's still there's, like, a little twist, a little a little tweak, a little bit of a different angle. There's also something that I really like that where, like, they're sitting on a a couch, and the the panel only goes up, like, halfway, so it looks like they're coming up and over the top of the panel with just, like, white spot.

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I I don't it's like I I just, like, love the feel of that. It almost feels like they're coming out towards me. Like, they're including me more in. Like, I'm one of the conspirators in their conversation. I I I love little things like that about about comic books.

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We we love, like, pop outs and, like, impals and stuff like that because it it's it's also a way of because, like, with that character scene, it's a way of showing where they are, but also completely drawing focus to them, which means that, like like you said, it feels more intimate even though you still know where they're they are. It it become it draws you in completely to just looking at them. And so everything else fades away, and you just get this pure moment with the characters.

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It's really great. So when you you know, having done, you know, a fair number of things over the past few years in in comics, but now having this graphic novel, this kind you know? What what is that is that feeling any different than some of the other stuff you worked on? Like, when crowded comes out or, you know, some of the other short stories that you've done. But now with this graphic novel, is the feeling any different of, like, having to, like, promote it and and having this book coming out that you two have really kinda been in control of the, you know, pretty much the entirety of the story?

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This is so much scarier.

[00:19:42] - [Speaker 2]
Yeah. More exciting. Yeah. But scarier.

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Because this is this is the most us thing we've done.

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And we we've got no one else to blame this time around.

[00:19:51] - [Speaker 1]
Oh, that no. That's fair. It's really good. So we have so that's you got that going for you. I'm kinda curious in terms go go ahead, Ted.

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I was gonna say, like, it it's been fascinating working on something with so much freedom because, like, our editor at Titan, Phoebe, has been really good at she's fantastic. Letting us go nuts. Exactly. She's fantastic. Like, she doesn't give notes just because she feels like she wants to be a part of things.

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She only gives notes if she actually thinks she's got a better idea, which means, one, like, we we can always trust the note that she gives. And two Yeah. Also means that we've had a shit ton of freedom to really do whatever we feel like. The trust has been rewarding.

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That's awesome. And so I'm curious in terms of some, like, the character designs, like, in particular. What was it like coming up with the looks for, you know, everyone that was going to be attending the wedding and and your main characters? Was there anything in particular that, you know, you really wanted from this cast of characters? Any particular, like, inspiration, or how did you go about setting, like, what everybody was going to, you know, look like?

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Oh, it's been a while since you're talking about that. Like so we the first time we put it out to pitch, the style was quite different.

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Yeah. But, like, the overall designs are more or less the same, just stylistically tweaked. But Yeah. Like, you said earlier, it's, like, kind of, you know, got an animation vibe, and some of the principles were on display in the character design, like, using shape based stuff. You know?

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So characters that that are very friendly are round and characters that are less friendly or so a sharper in edge. Like, you look at Valentina, the villain. She's all hard lines. So pointy. Compared to, say, you know, the groom's father, Chester, who is just like He's solid man.

[00:21:45] - [Speaker 2]
He's big, solid, but also crucially, almost all curved lines. And so he feels inherently safe. Like so a lot of the design work was done around that, like, using shapes to emphasize fundamental character. And we we like, every everyone on the in the cast is assigned a set of colors for their clothing so that at a glance, you don't just you don't just have to see the shape. Just the colors would be able to tell you who's, like, who's there.

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What was the process in terms of going about and, like, assigning colors? Like, kind of was there a unique, you know, color theory in terms of in terms of doing that?

[00:22:27] - [Speaker 2]
It was vibes.

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It was vibes. Was vibes. Some color theory there at some point, but that was so Yeah.

[00:22:33] - [Speaker 2]
It feels so late. It was mostly vibes.

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Like

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Yeah. The one did go because the the only one who had, like, a specific intention from the beginning was Merritt because Merritt is the sister of the bride. She's a trans woman, but we're not making a big deal of

[00:22:48] - [Speaker 3]
it because It's not it's not what

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the story's about. Exactly. She's you know? And trans people have enough. Like, you know, they they have their own trans people have storytellers and all that.

[00:23:00] - [Speaker 2]
They don't need us trying to make it about being trans. So what we wanted to do was just, like, give that kind of very subtle but certain note of Merritt is a trans woman. And so, like, she's always wearing the colors of the trans flag. That's what her outfits are. Okay.

[00:23:17] - [Speaker 2]
And so, like, this is what so from then, it's like, well, we really want to do that as a, like, as a a signal just because, again, we're not, like, really wanting to hang a hat on this because it's not a relevant part of who Merit is.

[00:23:29] - [Speaker 3]
To a story, anyway. Mean, it's great part of the Yeah.

[00:23:32] - [Speaker 2]
Of course. But I mean, like, the the thing, a lot like, a lot of trans people say it's not like, it should be one of the least interesting things about it. Oh. I know multiple people trans people who said that. And so, like, we wanted to kinda honor that and all that.

[00:23:45] - [Speaker 2]
So, yeah, trans flag for Merit. And I was like, well, it's gonna look weird if everyone else is just wearing whatever, and Merit's the only one with consistent colors. So we need to make a palette for everybody, and that became just like then vibes based of, like, Heather Frantic being warning colors. Yes.

[00:24:01] - [Speaker 1]
Yeah. And I love that her name's Frantic.

[00:24:05] - [Speaker 2]
Oh, well, I mean, the naming is the naming from the one computer tool I I will ever countenance or, like, especially recommend for writing, which is Scrivener's name generator. It is unhinged. There's some weird names that pop out with that thing. Like, you can you can just there's huge numbers of checkboxes that you can you can check. And, like, you can say, do you want middle names as well?

[00:24:30] - [Speaker 2]
Do you want alliterative and all of that? And so you you just plug in your criteria, and it'll just generate a list of, 500 names. And boy, howdy. Like so every name in the book is generated by Scrivener except where it's, like, familial pairings up and things like that. Right.

[00:24:47] - [Speaker 1]
But Oh, okay. Oh, that's pretty neat.

[00:24:49] - [Speaker 2]
So, yeah, Hetephrantic was a name in there. As And soon as we saw it, was like, well, we know who this belongs to.

[00:24:54] - [Speaker 1]
Yeah. Was even the dog? Oh,

[00:24:58] - [Speaker 2]
no. No. Templeton, we did name. Templeton was just a case of like

[00:25:03] - [Speaker 3]
I do not remember the full name of

[00:25:05] - [Speaker 1]
the dog. Templeton's I'll say it right now, but I'm on the page.

[00:25:08] - [Speaker 2]
The Lovely the first.

[00:25:10] - [Speaker 3]
It's it's so long.

[00:25:11] - [Speaker 1]
Yeah. Templeton. Templeton. Anti lion. Very, very lovely.

[00:25:15] - [Speaker 2]
Yeah. That that that was as much about the kind of people who own that kind of dog.

[00:25:20] - [Speaker 1]
Oh, yeah. Oh, that's that's that's too funny. Barry is the name of my dog. We didn't we didn't we didn't go real fancy, but he likes to lay down he likes to lay down in the bathroom, so I accidentally closed the bathroom door. So he was gonna he was gonna bark the whole time.

[00:25:34] - [Speaker 1]
Yeah. Look. There's like a

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room with a lot of sun.

[00:25:36] - [Speaker 1]
We do. We have it's it's actually a nice day today, so that'll be good. So Barry, hopefully, he won't bark, he'll just lay down. And I can we we can continue the interview. I'll I'll cut this part out.

[00:25:49] - [Speaker 2]
Don't. That's great content. We have we have the dog moment.

[00:25:55] - [Speaker 1]
Yeah. Sorry. Sorry, podcast listeners. I had to go let my dog in because he likes to lay down on the bathroom floor, and he'll bark if I don't let him do that. Yeah.

[00:26:05] - [Speaker 1]
But, yeah, the the names are great. I love I love all the names. I love an unhinged computer program name generator. That's fantastic. One of the other things I really loved in terms of character design is, Rad's hair.

[00:26:20] - [Speaker 1]
I mean, that's some that's some great hair. Every panel, fantastic hair.

[00:26:26] - [Speaker 3]
I think his hair kept getting bigger as I drew it, didn't it?

[00:26:30] - [Speaker 2]
I I had to I had to rate him quite a lot.

[00:26:34] - [Speaker 3]
Was getting bigger.

[00:26:35] - [Speaker 2]
Yeah. It it was a proper, proper Anson Mountain strange new world scenario of just every year volume increasing.

[00:26:42] - [Speaker 1]
Yeah. It it it does have almost a a life of its own, but, I thought that was really great. I just I loved every time I loved, like, kinda see, like, what was going on, with his hair. But, yeah, again, all all the character designs are great. It's just really it was so much fun.

[00:26:59] - [Speaker 1]
I can't wait to read the whole thing.

[00:27:01] - [Speaker 2]
Yeah. I mean,

[00:27:02] - [Speaker 1]
like I just really loved it.

[00:27:04] - [Speaker 2]
Thank you, Eric. Because, yeah, like I said, the the you read 70 pages. Really, the setup finishes at page 95, and then you've got, like, the rest of the book is so much faster. Because, like, you know, the the first thing the the first, like, 95 pages, it's probably only what? Like, eight to nine scenes total?

[00:27:24] - [Speaker 2]
Is it? Like, my like, oh, no. Maybe it might be small than that. But, like That. But, like, you know, we've got a lot a lot of scenes that last pages.

[00:27:33] - [Speaker 2]
And then by one after page 95, until page, like, two nearly, we don't have a single scene that lasts longer than three pages. So it like, the pace is about to really speed up.

[00:27:46] - [Speaker 1]
Yeah. And I think that kind of is is in keeping with those types of those types of comedies that you see, you know, where you have kind of a setup like this. You know, the the, even like an like a I don't know. Arsenic and old lace just popped into my head, but just things keep going faster. Like, clue is kind of like another one where there's quite a bit of setup.

[00:28:06] - [Speaker 1]
And and then it just it just goes and goes and goes and goes. Yeah. But, yeah, things like that I really love. I feel like they're not I don't know. Is it a situation?

[00:28:15] - [Speaker 1]
Maybe it's just maybe I haven't seen the right movies. I feel like they're not really they don't really make things like that anymore. I mean, it felt like a while they weren't making comedies maybe because they weren't doing well, but, then and I guess in the past twenty years, there's been a lot more comedies and, like, more adult, like, r rated in the you know, comedies. But those types of, I don't know, farcical things, for I I don't see being made too much anymore.

[00:28:39] - [Speaker 2]
I think they're quite they can be quite tricky to make, you know, because, like, they've got because they require such very specific timing and, like, you know, movement of all the people. It it it means, you you know, you have to be really careful about, like, who's bumping into whom and in what context and all of that.

[00:28:58] - [Speaker 3]
Like I also wonder whether it's a budget, though.

[00:29:00] - [Speaker 2]
Could be.

[00:29:00] - [Speaker 3]
Because films are getting bigger and bigger budgets, and you the studios don't wanna make films that have the smaller budgets, which Yeah. Fastcore comedies don't necessarily need to have that big budget stuff.

[00:29:12] - [Speaker 2]
No. They they

[00:29:12] - [Speaker 3]
I mean, can

[00:29:13] - [Speaker 1]
you otherwise,

[00:29:14] - [Speaker 3]
I would watch a Lord of the Rings type movie that does have that farceical element of comedy in it.

[00:29:19] - [Speaker 2]
Yeah. But you don't often get those things together. I want a

[00:29:22] - [Speaker 1]
very serious comedy very serious Lord of

[00:29:25] - [Speaker 3]
the Rings epic adventure with fart jokes. And that's the thing that's No. No. Doesn't happen very

[00:29:32] - [Speaker 2]
quickly.

[00:29:32] - [Speaker 1]
Are you teasing us with what your your next project is? Is it is it like a is it a lord of the rings forest? I mean, you certainly see it in, like like, spoof or parody, but, you know, to take to do a farce and to take that world kind of seriously and and turn it on its head like that. Yeah. I'd I'd watch that too.

[00:29:51] - [Speaker 1]
I'd watch that.

[00:29:52] - [Speaker 2]
It's not our next book, but, like, we do have we do have plans for we do have plans for a farcical fantasy murder mystery. Yes.

[00:30:01] - [Speaker 1]
Oh, see. I I would I would watch the heck out of that. I mean, like, well, I we do have the, like, the Knives Out, you know, the the, those Ryan Johnson movies. What was it? Glass Onion, which are are kinda somewhat in that vein with the murder mystery element to it.

[00:30:18] - [Speaker 1]
And there's comedic elements, but it doesn't it doesn't go all the way to, like, a a where I would say it's really farcical.

[00:30:24] - [Speaker 2]
No. No. No. I mean, I I absolutely adore all three of those movies. Yeah.

[00:30:29] - [Speaker 2]
They are so good.

[00:30:30] - [Speaker 1]
Yeah. I I I do too. I I really love them.

[00:30:34] - [Speaker 4]
Jimmy is too humble to do this. So as his stalwart ride or die, I wanted to tell you about his new graphic novel, Penny and the Yeti with artist Amber Aiken. What started as a comic short with his daughter that I've known about for ages now and it's evolved and has become one of those annoying can't talk about it in comics things for too damn long. Yes. I'm predisposed to be supportive but after reading an advanced copy of it, I have to admit it's way better than I anticipated.

[00:31:02] - [Speaker 4]
No shade but it's really good, remarkably so. Does it have a yeti? Yeah. Is it cute and adorable?

[00:31:08] - [Speaker 3]
Yeah.

[00:31:09] - [Speaker 4]
But it streak flies in effectively tapping into the all too familiar family dynamics that we all are facing in 2026 and approaching it in a way that doesn't insult the book's target audience. Kids. They are way smarter and perceptive than we adults give them credit for. So I really appreciated Jimmy's narrative approach tapping into his own experiences as a dad and a spouse. I can hear his wife saying, get off your phone, Jimmy, through the pages.

[00:31:35] - [Speaker 4]
She's gonna kill me for saying that. It's hitting shelves on April 21, and I dropped the link in the show notes where you can preorder a copy today. Getty or not, here we come with Penny, Perry, Fenton, Maxine, and the magical, mythical, magnificent Yeti. On behalf of us both, we appreciate your support.

[00:31:55] - [Speaker 2]
Yahawala.

[00:31:57] - [Speaker 1]
So in terms of, like, your taste, and we talked a little bit about some of the influences, but just to to kinda keep it, like, on the the comedy, like, elements of it. I'm I was a big fan growing up of, like, British, like, TV and movies. And I like, I was like it it was one of those things in The US where we'd all be on, like, PBS,

[00:32:19] - [Speaker 3]
Mhmm.

[00:32:20] - [Speaker 1]
You know, public broadcasting late at night here, and I would watch British comedy TV that but I could not talk about it with, like, anybody but my grandmother. You know? Like, I think I was the only kid in, like, in my part of the world and, right outside of Philly that, like, was a big fan of are you being served?

[00:32:41] - [Speaker 3]
I thought Oh, yeah.

[00:32:42] - [Speaker 1]
No. I didn't I didn't know too many people in their early teens that, like, wanted to talk about missus Slocum. Let listeners, stay stay with me. Listeners, stay stay with me. Don't be like, Jim Jimmy's talking about British TV.

[00:33:01] - [Speaker 1]
We have no idea what's going on. But, like, in terms of growing up, like, what stuff did you gravitate towards? Like, you mentioned Frasier, but, like, how how popular was American TV and American comedies for you guys?

[00:33:15] - [Speaker 2]
I mean, when young, not hugely Fresh Prince

[00:33:18] - [Speaker 3]
of Bel Air was big here, though.

[00:33:19] - [Speaker 2]
Yes. That's true. Fresh Prince was,

[00:33:21] - [Speaker 1]
and that was okay.

[00:33:22] - [Speaker 3]
I got

[00:33:22] - [Speaker 1]
a while. That's funny.

[00:33:23] - [Speaker 3]
Fresh prince as a kid.

[00:33:25] - [Speaker 1]
Yeah. Same. I'm always kinda curious, like, what what makes the the the trip. You know?

[00:33:30] - [Speaker 2]
Yeah.

[00:33:31] - [Speaker 1]
Like, what from BBC TV or whatever it is, Sky TV, like, makes it over here and, like, what was really popular over in England? So that's funny that fresh fresh prince was a big hit.

[00:33:42] - [Speaker 2]
It really was. Like, everybody I knew watched fresh fresh prince.

[00:33:46] - [Speaker 1]
Oh, that's awesome. I had no idea I had no idea. It was so it was so popular. Yeah. I'm like In England.

[00:33:52] - [Speaker 3]
It it was We we all know the Carlton. Yeah.

[00:33:57] - [Speaker 1]
Oh, wow. That's what a The

[00:33:59] - [Speaker 2]
story of

[00:34:00] - [Speaker 1]
different cultural milestone.

[00:34:01] - [Speaker 3]
Yeah. Yeah. What a

[00:34:02] - [Speaker 1]
cultural milestone for for American television that

[00:34:06] - [Speaker 2]
Yeah.

[00:34:07] - [Speaker 1]
Everyone knows the Carlton.

[00:34:08] - [Speaker 3]
Yeah. I I I highly doubt if you you would be if anyone started doing that to anyone over 30 in this country, everyone would know what you would do. I'm pretty certain.

[00:34:18] - [Speaker 2]
Might take a minute, but, yeah, we'd get there.

[00:34:20] - [Speaker 1]
Yeah. Oh, that's that's pretty great.

[00:34:22] - [Speaker 3]
Now I'm trying to think of other stuff, like American stuff.

[00:34:26] - [Speaker 2]
I don't remember We had The Simpsons. Yeah. But, like, outside of, like, kind of cultural juggernaut stuff, I don't remember watching much American TV till I was in my twenties.

[00:34:35] - [Speaker 3]
I remember watching American No, really? Kids show that came over here that I don't think you'd have seen, which was Big Wolf on Campus. Nope. Which was, like it it had buffy parody stuff in it and things. There's I it I I remember watching it and finding it very funny.

[00:34:52] - [Speaker 3]
We had more American cartoons than American comedy.

[00:34:55] - [Speaker 2]
Yeah. That's that's definitely true. Although, like Oh, okay. Although one of the ones that was one of the American cartoons that was big when I was growing up, I will say, and you'll be surprised at the name of it because it was teenage mutant hero turtles. Oh, yeah.

[00:35:09] - [Speaker 2]
At the time, the government legally prohibited anyone from glorifying ninjas. What? Yeah.

[00:35:15] - [Speaker 1]
So wait. So it was it was like The US Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, but they had to call it the Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles?

[00:35:22] - [Speaker 2]
Correct. It was exactly the same in every respect except every time T y, Ninja. Rotor. Yeah. Every time the word ninja turned up in dialogue, it was redubbed by the actors to say hero.

[00:35:34] - [Speaker 1]
Yep. I had that's amazing. I love that.

[00:35:37] - [Speaker 2]
Yeah. Because because when like, the government was going through one of those like, it it was kind of like our version of America's satanic panic. The government was, like, weirdly obsessed with the idea that kids would see a ninja and decide to be ninja.

[00:35:52] - [Speaker 1]
Yeah. I mean, that's what that's what happened in The US. Everybody was a ninja for, like, three or four years.

[00:35:57] - [Speaker 2]
Yeah.

[00:35:58] - [Speaker 1]
We were we were just dressing in black with katanas, going out at night assassinating people. It was it was terrible.

[00:36:04] - [Speaker 2]
Like, we we decided we didn't want any part of that that nonsense. So

[00:36:08] - [Speaker 1]
Okay.

[00:36:09] - [Speaker 2]
Everything everything that was still, like, you know, acceptable, but ninja flake

[00:36:14] - [Speaker 1]
Yeah.

[00:36:14] - [Speaker 2]
Had to be renamed hero.

[00:36:16] - [Speaker 1]
Oh, that's too funny. I gotta go take care of something. I will be right back,

[00:36:18] - [Speaker 2]
and then we'll

[00:36:19] - [Speaker 1]
wrap up. Is that okay? Okay. Hold on.

[00:36:20] - [Speaker 3]
I'm just trying to imagine ninjas around here. It'd be sad. It would be sad. Where are they gonna hide?

[00:36:26] - [Speaker 2]
Exactly. No. Although, I mean, I will say, though, really good running on rooftops.

[00:36:31] - [Speaker 3]
I've got the balance, though.

[00:36:32] - [Speaker 2]
Oh, yeah. Except for the slanted roofs. Again, ninja. Come comes the territory. I really hope this doesn't make it to the final cut, but it'd be very funny if it did.

[00:36:38] - [Speaker 2]
It's just us speculating on how it would be to be a ninja in a countryside town of 5,000 people. Yeah. My understanding is that we tend to be more in, like, populated areas anyway where, like, they would have people who would hire them. Like, around here, the most you'd get would be, like, kind of, you know, one of the really shitty ninja that that nobody wants to hire and who's resorting to, like, helping a farmer recover some, like, crops that a neighbor stole from him. There wouldn't be a lot of ninjin gigs.

[00:37:07] - [Speaker 3]
No. Ninja?

[00:37:09] - [Speaker 2]
Yeah. You're a ninja. You're ninja. There wouldn't be a lot of ninja work around here, period, because

[00:37:14] - [Speaker 3]
I think so.

[00:37:15] - [Speaker 2]
We're also too poor to hire them.

[00:37:16] - [Speaker 3]
Yeah. It's it's just just imagine the ninjas versus the owl population around here.

[00:37:23] - [Speaker 2]
Super owls. They could do a beating taking down a peg or two.

[00:37:26] - [Speaker 3]
Just because one tried to steal you. It did. It was not fun.

[00:37:30] - [Speaker 2]
It was so big. I know. Hey. You're We we haven't actually stopped talking since you left.

[00:37:35] - [Speaker 1]
We were just talking. Oh, so I'll just leave I'll just leave all that in.

[00:37:39] - [Speaker 2]
I mean, you can if you want. Feel feel free.

[00:37:42] - [Speaker 1]
Sorry about that. This is what happens when you schedule too many things all at once, so I apologize. But

[00:37:48] - [Speaker 3]
Oh, no. It's fine.

[00:37:49] - [Speaker 2]
Yeah. It's fine. Like, I mean, we're balancing worst man and the side jobs we've needed to stay afloat financially. Mean, we understand the idea of being overbooked in a day.

[00:37:58] - [Speaker 1]
Yeah. It's just yeah. Because I have my first graphic novel is coming out in three weeks. Oh, wow. And so trying to do I mean, I'm a lawyer, like a personal injury attorney.

[00:38:10] - [Speaker 1]
So doing that and then keeping the pod doing the podcast and then booking other podcasts and, like, YouTube shows, like, promote the book. And it's like, oh, this is a it's a lot. Yeah. So it it's I I you know? So, I mean, it's fun.

[00:38:28] - [Speaker 1]
I like talking about comics, and it's interesting to be on the other side after doing this podcast for, like, four years to be on the other side of it. But it's Yeah. It's like a New frontier. Ton of work.

[00:38:39] - [Speaker 3]
Yeah.

[00:38:39] - [Speaker 1]
Yeah. Definitely. Yeah. And then, like and if you get I think that the hardest thing is writing something or creating something. The second hardest thing is having to promote it so people will read it.

[00:38:50] - [Speaker 1]
Oh,

[00:38:51] - [Speaker 2]
I I I think for us, it's the promoting's the hardest bit.

[00:38:54] - [Speaker 3]
Yeah. Okay. I I can deal with being tired and working on the book itself. It's like, I have no idea how to promote stuff.

[00:39:04] - [Speaker 1]
Well, you're you're doing fine. I mean, the I I don't know. I think I I I don't my background's in psychology, you know, not marketing. So I I don't know. I mean, I I think in terms of I just think about when I listen to people promote something, like, what interests me?

[00:39:19] - [Speaker 1]
You know? Is there something about the material that's gonna hook me? Or, you know, half the time, is it just is there something interesting about the people that are making it? Do I have a connection with them? Do I like them?

[00:39:27] - [Speaker 1]
Are they talking about some of the same things that they like that I like in terms of whatever their influences were or whatever they're into right now, you know, whatever it might be. So we're gonna try and capture all the all the Fresh Prince fans. You know, all the knives out folks, and anybody that are into those classic, like, I I think the new Katherine Hepburn, Cary Grant classic screwball type of comedies or romantic comedies. This I don't know. I think there's something I I I just think it's really funny.

[00:39:58] - [Speaker 1]
It's just like that's what I keep coming back to. I really enjoyed reading it, and I just I wanted it to keep going. I like kinda living in that world. I wanted to be at the wedding and watch all the shenanigans take place. That's what was fantastic.

[00:40:13] - [Speaker 1]
And it just you you guys have such an interesting style as well, which having been a fan of crowded, I loved seeing again. I just I just, like I love it. I love Yidro characters. They're so animated. They're so expressive.

[00:40:26] - [Speaker 1]
I mean, there's one panel where Frantic is, like, pointing and yelling, and it just it just it looks fantastic. It just looks fantastic. It looks so coming right out right off the page at you. I know don't I don't want that to sound trite. Like, I really mean it.

[00:40:40] - [Speaker 1]
It looks it looks great.

[00:40:42] - [Speaker 3]
Thank you.

[00:40:43] - [Speaker 2]
Yeah. I mean, like, what's really important to us, like, is because the the reason why we we've got the thing of, like like you're saying, you know, expressive and funny and stuff is because we're clowns. Yes. Like, this is how we describe what we do best. Like like, the prop proper clowning of, you know, you use humor to deal with more difficult emotions and more difficult situations.

[00:41:07] - [Speaker 2]
So it makes it safe in a way that the audience can think about them.

[00:41:11] - [Speaker 3]
There was one moment talking about Fresh Prince Bella remembering that. It's like, they do the same thing. Yeah. That thing of using comedy to talk about feelings and shit and real shit. Yeah.

[00:41:20] - [Speaker 3]
Real shit.

[00:41:20] - [Speaker 2]
Yeah. And, like, that's what we like doing. Like, I I fully understand that for a lot of people, like, their preferred language for dealing with, like, real shit is horror. Like, taking something and making it into, like, the scariest version of itself so that you can process it that way. And that you know, I've got a lot of respect for that approach, but we're too goofy to try that.

[00:41:41] - [Speaker 2]
Like, it it's better for us to take a thing and laugh at it. Ab

[00:41:46] - [Speaker 1]
that's I I get that. Yeah. I mean, I I understand processing things through horror. Like, I love that idea too, but, yeah, I'm I'm the same way. I totally get that.

[00:41:58] - [Speaker 1]
Like, my my wife says that everything I do is a bit. Like, I'm I'm never serious. Everything is a bit. Like, half the time, she's like, how are you a lawyer? I'm like, well, I'm serious.

[00:42:09] - [Speaker 1]
I'm serious when I need to be. I'm not, like, gonna go in front of a judge when my, you know, my client's been injured in an accident or whatnot. I'm not gonna try and turn everything everything into a joke. I can be serious when I need to be. But

[00:42:21] - [Speaker 2]
Don't don't do a closing statement. There's also a type five.

[00:42:26] - [Speaker 1]
I mean, I I did once, but but it is, you know, it depends. You gotta you gotta you gotta know the right audience. You know? We don't do a lot of jury trials any anymore, at least here in in Delaware with the type of work I do. I've only had, like, a couple of jury trials in my twenty year career.

[00:42:51] - [Speaker 1]
But, yeah, we I do a lot of, like, workers' comp stuff, workers' compensation, like, injured workers, and it's like a three panel. They're called the industrial accident board, and, they're great because, like, it it's a little looser. It you can be, like, a little it's still serious, but you could be, like, a little freer. I do I do like practicing in front of the industrial accident board. That that can be it can be a little fun.

[00:43:15] - [Speaker 1]
Oh, I have gotten, I I have gotten admonished. It's time. But it, you know, it's bound to happen. I I that's the type of work I do, personal injury, like injured injured people. And, you know, I like it because I don't.

[00:43:28] - [Speaker 1]
I'm not a big fan of insurance companies, so that helps because that's what, you know, I'm always fighting against.

[00:43:34] - [Speaker 2]
It's fair.

[00:43:35] - [Speaker 1]
You know? Yeah. So that's I like that aspect of it. But, yeah, I I I every that's how I approach everything. When I was a kid, they used to say that, like, if something somebody had terrible news and, like, even if it impacted me personally, I mean, I wasn't gonna laugh at somebody, but I always had, like, kind of, like, a nervous smile, like, a nervous laugh.

[00:43:59] - [Speaker 1]
Like, I I mean And it I I I can't I can't help it. I have tried, and I it is something that I've had since I was a kid that I Yeah.

[00:44:09] - [Speaker 2]
And it's not laughing at. It's laughing with. That's the

[00:44:12] - [Speaker 1]
thing. Yeah. Right. I think I try to when bad stuff happens, I even you know, there's certainly a time to be sad and, like, process stuff, but I do try and find, like, the, I don't know, the comedy of it. Even if I'm at at a point where something personally bad happens to me, and I'm like, you know what?

[00:44:29] - [Speaker 1]
If you pull back, though, if you pull the camera back, it is funny. It's like this thing that has happened that I am upset about. It is funny in a way. Yeah. You know?

[00:44:39] - [Speaker 1]
So I get it. I'm a clown too. So we're all in we're all in good company. Maybe that's why I love this so much. Because I've I kinda feel the same way.

[00:44:47] - [Speaker 2]
Yeah. I mean, like, that that is a large a large part of our demographic targeting, definitely.

[00:44:53] - [Speaker 1]
People who have, who process who process a lot through a comedic lens. That's Yeah. What we're going for. Yeah. No.

[00:45:01] - [Speaker 1]
I I absolutely love that.

[00:45:02] - [Speaker 2]
I suppose, like, there's always so much nonsense out there about, like, you know, the way in like, how, old people don't communicate anymore and love is hard in a modern age. And was like and, yeah, like, because I mean, we're both asexual, agender, and generally uncomfortable with emotions. So we wanted to make a book all about being uncomfortable with our emotions. And the only way that it seemed right to do that was to laugh about the fact that we're deeply uncomfortable being human.

[00:45:33] - [Speaker 1]
Yeah. I think that's the title of the episode. We're both deeply uncomfortable about being human.

[00:45:40] - [Speaker 2]
I mean, that's over.

[00:45:42] - [Speaker 1]
I'm Yeah. Well, I that's, that's well, that's fantastic. I'm I'm glad that I'm glad you approach things in this way. I mean, I'm not glad that you're deeply uncomfortable about being human, but I'm I'm I am glad that you're able to express it and come at it in a way that is, you know, is creating art that is very accessible and very funny and very enjoyable, and I that's the awesome part about it. You know?

[00:46:12] - [Speaker 2]
Oh, wow. Thank you.

[00:46:13] - [Speaker 1]
Well, I I thought this was great. I cannot wait till this come out. It's, Titan Comics, August 25. It'll be out. So I'm not sure exactly when this episode will come out, but listeners, you'll have plenty of time, and there'll be a link in the show notes so you can can order the book.

[00:46:29] - [Speaker 1]
But it says that's 240 pages. It the first 70, absolutely hilarious. I really loved it. I I cannot wait for people to get this. It is yeah.

[00:46:40] - [Speaker 1]
I've been having a really good run, of podcast guests where they I've been interviewing people who are making things where I can genuinely say, I am hard pressed to and I read a lot of comics. Yeah. I'm hard pressed to think of anything that I could compare this to, which is what I love. Right? I mean, I love getting something or seeing something where I I don't know.

[00:47:07] - [Speaker 1]
There's no easy comparison to something. Like, this feels like this this feels simultaneously like a throwback to a different era and also something that is very modern, which I think that's a kind of a tough needle to thread sometimes. And I think you both did it exceptionally well.

[00:47:25] - [Speaker 2]
Hooray. Frankly, it was an accident.

[00:47:31] - [Speaker 1]
Well, thank you so much for taking time, out of this, your Saturday afternoon to to talk to me. I really appreciate it. I am a huge fan. This was an absolute delight. And, yeah, worst man, August 25.

[00:47:48] - [Speaker 1]
Ted Brandt and Roe Stein, thank you so much for coming on the podcast.

[00:47:53] - [Speaker 3]
Thank you very much for talking to us.

[00:47:54] - [Speaker 2]
Yeah. It's been a lot of fun.

[00:47:55] - [Speaker 1]
Alright. Listeners, thank you for listening. You know what to do. Rate and review us. It really does help if you can go and leave a review, that you like the podcast.

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Byron's really trying to grow the the YouTube channel as well. So if you you watch YouTube stuff and you wanna see me stress blink for forty five minutes, you can do that. Shout

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out to

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my brother Bobby. Shout out to my brother Bobby, the Crypto creator corner's number one most dedicated fan. Bobby listens to all my episodes. Hey, Bob. Thanks for listening.

[00:48:27] - [Speaker 1]
Alright, listeners. I'll see you next time. Good night.

[00:48:31] - [Speaker 4]
This is Byron O'Neil, one of your hosts of the Cryptic Creator Corner brought to you by Comic Book Yeti. We hope you've enjoyed this episode of our podcast. Please rate, review, subscribe, all that good stuff. It lets us know how we're doing and more importantly, how we can improve. Thanks for listening.

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