Allen Wu talks Shentu

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[00:02:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Hello and welcome to Comic Book Yeti's Crypted Creator Corner. I am one of your hosts, Jimmy Gispero, and I'm here with the first time guest on the Crypted Creator Corner.

[00:03:01] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm very excited to talk to this particular comic creator and writer. Please welcome to the podcast, Alan Wu. Alan, how you doing tonight?

[00:03:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Hey Jimmy, I'm doing great. I've been a fan of the podcast for quite a while, and I am amazed by the level of talent that you have on the show frequently.

[00:03:25] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like a little bit intimidating for me to be here, but I'm here to talk about comics and have a good time.

[00:03:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, I appreciate you saying that, and it is amazing to me. Sometimes the folks that will come on and talk about comics with me in particular.

[00:03:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Byron does a pretty great job and has had a pretty interesting and eclectic career himself.

[00:03:55] [SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, I really love doing this. I love talking about comics and I, you know, it doesn't matter to me if this is your first comic or if you've been doing it for 30 or 40 years

[00:04:06] [SPEAKER_04]: I just like talking about whatever you're working on, whatever you have coming out and kind of we can get into the weeds about the craft of it because I'm kind of fascinated by that.

[00:04:18] [SPEAKER_04]: And you know, ultimately I've said before in the podcast with I'm really interested in why folks want to create, you know, because it's a lot of work, especially it's a lot of work to make anything really any type of art.

[00:04:31] [SPEAKER_04]: But, you know, comics in particular, but I love how collaborative it is. And, you know, I like digging into going from a fan of something to wanting to make it yourself and how folks kind of go about doing that.

[00:04:49] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, because it's so, you know, I saw someone posted once about the podcast that it like listening help them to kind of start and I know intentions of doing that.

[00:05:00] [SPEAKER_04]: But if like somebody listens to this and they hear, you know, anybody from, you know, anyone talk about how they got started whether or not it's writing or art or coloring or lettering, whatever it might be. That's just amazing, you know, to me.

[00:05:18] [SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, but thank you very much for coming on the podcast and Tom excited to talk to you about the comic. We talked a little bit before we started recording your comic Shent 2, which we talked about I think the correct pronunciation is sent to you told me, but for all intensive purposes it's is Shent 2 and your main character is kind of an immortal rabbit girl.

[00:05:48] [SPEAKER_04]: If I'm saying that correctly and she kind of travels villages trying to recreate an elixir and also kind of helping when she can.

[00:06:03] [SPEAKER_04]: And there's also plenty of action in this comic.

[00:06:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, why don't you kind of tell our listeners who might not, you know, have any familiarity with this like what is Shent 2 like all about what it.

[00:06:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Let us know.

[00:06:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so this is my first comic book series. It's called Shent 2 and the way I try and picture usually is that it's about an immortal rabbit girl in inton China as you said she's trying to recreate the lixir of life.

[00:06:37] [SPEAKER_02]: And along the way, she's kind of forming bonds with mortal humans and learning to appreciate the time that she spends them.

[00:06:49] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a story that covers a lot more time than most stories in that.

[00:06:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Part of the gimmick of the premise is that she meets characters along the way and then she kind of witnesses their entire life spans as they travel with her.

[00:07:11] [SPEAKER_02]: So it gives kind of an opportunity to see character relationships develop in a way that you don't see so much in other comics especially.

[00:07:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Sans a lot of the time, you know, you've got sliding timelines and all that that just keep characters the same age but.

[00:07:28] [SPEAKER_02]: For for the purpose of this story in particular, the focus is really on seeing how character relationships evolve like has as they age.

[00:07:41] [SPEAKER_04]: I really like.

[00:07:44] [SPEAKER_04]: How we start off in the beginning and kind of see her lamenting that.

[00:07:51] [SPEAKER_04]: She's immortal people don't stick around long in terms of her lifetime, but you do a couple of interesting things.

[00:08:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Where as readers we don't realize how much time is actually passing and it's kind of like an interesting trick it's you know the.

[00:08:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Real downside of them more touting not just that you will see these people that you may or animals even she talks at one point.

[00:08:19] [SPEAKER_04]: She doesn't name her horses anymore, but you can see the entire lifetime.

[00:08:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Of of someone you care about but also how you don't really perceive the passage of time as somebody that's immortal like she does not realize when she comes to a certain place that.

[00:08:40] [SPEAKER_04]: So much time has gone by for a person who lives in a normal lifespan and that was done in in kind of a very interesting way.

[00:08:52] [SPEAKER_04]: In the comics so it was it was clear through the panels time was passing, but it is kind of shocking when you see how much time has passed for the other characters, but not for shit to it's kind of like an interesting.

[00:09:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Way to show kind of the.

[00:09:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe the downside of of in mortality not just losing people, but that you don't realize like because you have so much time you don't realize how much time you're spending or maybe wasting.

[00:09:22] [SPEAKER_04]: And was that something you thought about actively going into it like how how can we show this in a comment.

[00:09:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this this was something I thought about a lot actually originally conceived of this project as an animated show rather than a comic.

[00:09:41] [SPEAKER_02]: So some considerations were a little bit different and maybe we can talk about that a little bit later, but in terms of the ambiguous passage of time that is something that I actually spent a lot of time trying to get right at both.

[00:09:58] [SPEAKER_02]: The screen play stage and the comics stage because I think one of the.

[00:10:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Really cool things about the comics specifically is that.

[00:10:10] [SPEAKER_02]: But you know the passage of time is just so inherently nebulous right like you can have two panels next to each other and you can have zero seconds pass between them or like a million years right and so when you're reading the comic like you kind of rely on.

[00:10:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Context to be able to tell how much time is passing and so I thought that was something that could really work well for shantoo because.

[00:10:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I wanted to kind of to convey.

[00:10:43] [SPEAKER_02]: The passage of time in a way that wasn't just like immediately obvious because I think there's like a little bit like this little bit of the kick when you realize like oh wow like that much time has passed and like he said that the.

[00:10:57] [SPEAKER_02]: The trick was kind of finding the middle ground where you can you can tell that sometime is passing be don't know how much exactly and my idea was that people think oh okay so it's been you know maybe a couple of years right but then like.

[00:11:14] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's a lot of the way that we can do that.

[00:11:15] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's actually been much longer than that and.

[00:11:19] [SPEAKER_02]: And the intention really was that it's kind of a way of showing both how.

[00:11:26] [SPEAKER_02]: The perspective of an immortal is very different from how mortal regular people experience time but also hopefully.

[00:11:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Like a way in a way that can be relatable where like you said like obviously like we don't have hundreds of years slip by without our realizing hopefully.

[00:11:47] [SPEAKER_02]: But a lot of the time it's like you know like how are we in September of this year already right like time is always passing.

[00:11:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Faster than we initially expect and so I think that is sort of a more universal experience that people can latch on to.

[00:12:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh yeah absolutely.

[00:12:05] [SPEAKER_04]: That makes a lot of sense but I thought it was very you know.

[00:12:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Smartly constructed and it seemed like there was a lot of care put into that.

[00:12:17] [SPEAKER_04]: I was kind of curious more so about the character of of Shent to herself.

[00:12:29] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm you know not.

[00:12:31] [SPEAKER_04]: I have not read like a lot of like manga or watched, you know a lot of anime but in terms of the art style and the artist you've worked with I think is Dovy Hallison yes.

[00:12:44] [SPEAKER_04]: And I thought it was really great was very kind of reminiscent of what I at least know of that style.

[00:12:52] [SPEAKER_04]: I was curious in terms of the character in general like the rabbit girl is that like from something else was that like kind of your own creation is there like roots in any other type of like you know mythology or tradition.

[00:13:09] [SPEAKER_02]: So the concept of moon rabbits is something that comes from Chinese mythology and Chinese mythology is kind of the.

[00:13:21] [SPEAKER_02]: It provides like the the basis of some of the story elements for example one of the characters early on Tonga she is the moon goddess and she's like you know she's an actual figure from Chinese mythology and.

[00:13:37] [SPEAKER_02]: The story that I'm trying to tell kind of like spins off as an offshoot of her myth.

[00:13:43] [SPEAKER_02]: But because the myths are so old and obviously there's no I guess you know one true depiction of what a moon rabbit looks like or what it means.

[00:13:58] [SPEAKER_02]: I kind of just took the concept of the moon rabbit and tried to build a character around it so.

[00:14:06] [SPEAKER_02]: It is there's there's basis in Chinese myths but I tried I tried to kind of deviate from it and start doing my my own thing from a relatively early point.

[00:14:18] [SPEAKER_04]: What was it about that you know the I guess the moon rabbit of myth.

[00:14:25] [SPEAKER_04]: That you first thought that there was something there that you could you know kind of do something with or play with that mythology for the story.

[00:14:34] [SPEAKER_02]: So the the moon rabbit aspect.

[00:14:37] [SPEAKER_02]: The rabbit aspect is a little bit coincidental actually.

[00:14:42] [SPEAKER_02]: I love rabbits in general there my favorite animal and they're kind of like a part by personality brand I guess but the part of the myth that actually drew me initially was more.

[00:14:58] [SPEAKER_02]: The aspect of Tonga as her myth is kind of closely tied to the elixir of immortality and those themes and plots of you know immortal life and kind of the disparity between immortals and mortals was.

[00:15:19] [SPEAKER_02]: More the angle that I I went into it for this story okay.

[00:15:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah that's pretty interesting and then from that you kind of built out.

[00:15:30] [SPEAKER_04]: You know what things you wanted to incorporate from the mythology and then kind of constructed your story around that.

[00:15:39] [SPEAKER_04]: It kind of fairly early on did you know that you wanted it to be where you know Shen too was kind of like traveling and it was going to be kind of like a journey story rather than.

[00:15:53] [SPEAKER_04]: You know being set in one location or something along those lines was that important to kind of like show her travels not just for the passage of time but to kind of incorporate.

[00:16:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Really kind of like the there's a you know a little bit about I guess the history of China that's touched on in there as well.

[00:16:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah I think in a way traveling and immortality or at least having along lifespan like go.

[00:16:25] [SPEAKER_02]: And like hand in hand in a way because it's just if a character is you know immortal or a character lives for a very long time then like it would be weird I suppose for them to do not travel you know because it's like.

[00:16:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Eventually you kind of fulfill your your purpose and one location when you move on to the next but beyond just like the practical reasons I think.

[00:16:56] [SPEAKER_02]: It just it just feels right to me to tell the story of an immortal and like tie it to like idea of like the it turnily wandering me and ring journey of sorts and so from pretty early on that felt like the appropriate way to go about it.

[00:17:14] [SPEAKER_02]: And I thought it would be a good opportunity to show different parts of China in her travels and I actually have a dream of sorts that this is a story that can eventually go beyond the limits of China actually when I.

[00:17:33] [SPEAKER_02]: When I describe the story I usually try to be careful and say beginning in ancient China rather than set in ancient China and the reason for that is there's a pretty long and extended story arc that happens entirely within.

[00:17:52] [SPEAKER_02]: In China and if I can get to the end of this first major story arc that's going to be an accomplishment and a miracle in itself so that's kind of that is what I'm focused on for the time being right but if I can make it there.

[00:18:07] [SPEAKER_02]: I'd really love to have Shantu travel to other historical time periods and ancient civilizations and maybe even move closer to the present because she is really meant to be timeless her.

[00:18:23] [SPEAKER_02]: I think there's a timeless character of sorts and I think there's.

[00:18:28] [SPEAKER_02]: You know it made sense for me to start in China because I'm Chinese and this is my heritage but I think there's.

[00:18:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Opportunity for her to explore and highlight cool things about a lot of different time periods and civilizations so that's kind of like the.

[00:18:45] [SPEAKER_02]: The far off dream for her like exploring different civilizations and times.

[00:18:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh yeah I bet I mean I'm like even going through a comic like this that touches on things a little bit and.

[00:19:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Whenever I come across anything that's even you know fiction historical fiction or actual you know.

[00:19:09] [SPEAKER_04]: History that touches a little bit on China I'm always just so amazed because it's not anything like going to school in the US that were really exposed to.

[00:19:20] [SPEAKER_04]: At least I wasn't going to you know grade school and high school in the 80s and 90s.

[00:19:26] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm always like so just stunned at times like exactly like how long the history of China is like it's something I think of the US were like hey yeah we're like 200 years old yeah.

[00:19:41] [SPEAKER_02]: I think about that pretty pretty often too like especially I mean even like just like in in other countries like if you travel in Europe you know and then you'll like see a random like castle castle that like was built as 1600 whatever and that's like not even the most old castle but it's like just.

[00:20:04] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like is older than the entire history of if the US so there's definitely a lot of moments I kind of put into context how relatively new this country is.

[00:20:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah and it also puts into context I think how.

[00:20:19] [SPEAKER_04]: At least where I went to school growing up how bad a job they did at teaching world history you know like I went down a rabbit hole the other day on like when the Wikipedia and then other places on the internet reading about the like the Islamic golden age which was from the eighth to the 13th century.

[00:20:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like you know that's wild you know like the entire US history is this shorter shorter than a golden age.

[00:20:48] [SPEAKER_04]: The Islamic golden age lasted roughly 500 years yeah.

[00:20:55] [SPEAKER_04]: So.

[00:20:56] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm always kind of like amazed by that way and.

[00:21:01] [SPEAKER_04]: You know I think like wow to kind of go and.

[00:21:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Packle something that even touches a little bit on the history there must be so much to choose from.

[00:21:13] [SPEAKER_04]: But also you you kind of have to I think would be a little like strategic because they're so much history to figure out what period of periods of time you really want to highlight with you know with Shen to.

[00:21:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Do you think about that like is that a lot to kind of oh I'm I'm setting this in ancient China and I have hundreds of years with an immortal character.

[00:21:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Is there a way you figured out to be strategic like certain historical points or certain time periods that you've gravitated towards or that you learned about.

[00:21:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Along the way how do you kind of you know dig into what it is you want to highlight in terms of the historical backdrop for the character.

[00:21:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah this this is an aspect of the story that I'm definitely taking many any liberties with you know like when it comes to historical historical fiction or just stories set in historical time periods.

[00:22:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Kind of a pretty big spectrum of like how historically accurate they are I suppose and with with Shen to.

[00:22:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I am definitely like leaning more into like the vibe of ancient China rather than you know putting her specifically like in in the year like 220 BC or whatever right so I do have some flexibility in kind of like picking and choosing.

[00:22:42] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's a very interesting aspect of history of ancient Chinese history and culture that that I wanted use for the purpose of the story.

[00:22:53] [SPEAKER_02]: There's there's some limits where I don't I don't want to you know throw in an a chronistic elements for the sake of it but.

[00:23:03] [SPEAKER_02]: I guess the kind of the crazy thing about Chinese history is that it is just so like vast that.

[00:23:13] [SPEAKER_02]: When when it's and it's so long ago compared to the present that when we look back at it.

[00:23:19] [SPEAKER_02]: There's things from pretty far part time periods that can kind of be combined without really necessarily breaking the.

[00:23:30] [SPEAKER_02]: You know immersion of the ancient Chinese setting unless you unless you know someone is like a scholar in Chinese history specifically we're at and it really is interesting because like.

[00:23:43] [SPEAKER_02]: If you compare to modern times like like I guess US history like it's so much more condensed and things have developed more so much more rapidly in specifically the last century.

[00:23:56] [SPEAKER_02]: So that if you have things from like 20 years apart in the same story like that might that might feel feel weird right just because of how quickly things change nowadays but.

[00:24:06] [SPEAKER_02]: When when you're playing kind of like in an ancient civilization sandbox there's just a little bit more flexibility for that sort of thing.

[00:24:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's a good point.

[00:24:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Alright let's take a quick break.

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[00:25:47] [SPEAKER_04]: This can back to show.

[00:25:49] [SPEAKER_04]: So tell me I want to you mentioned this was originally going to you know possibly you had ideas for this to be an animated series and I want to talk about that but I just want to talk a little bit about the rest of the creative team I mentioned dovey house in on art and Tom lie not on.

[00:26:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Lettering how did everybody kind of connect.

[00:26:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Is this something that you went out and you know online or somewhere and kind of gathered everybody together.

[00:26:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so I found dovey very early in in the process.

[00:26:23] [SPEAKER_02]: I actually had not committed to making the comic until I found him and my pro my process especially early on was just extremely.

[00:26:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I want to say chaotic it also was chaotic but like I was not even setting out to.

[00:26:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Make it finish comic for for quite a long time before I committed I was more focused in the screenwriting space for most of the last.

[00:26:58] [SPEAKER_02]: I've been working on this.

[00:26:58] [SPEAKER_02]: I've been working on this for five or six years at this point and that's still something I'm working toward but breaking in as a screenwriter is I think it's a bit slower in the beginning whereas.

[00:27:10] [SPEAKER_02]: When it comes to indie comics you have a bit more.

[00:27:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Power to just start start things to have made.

[00:27:17] [SPEAKER_02]: But in any case, I had a Shanty written as a pilot screenplay for it's something that I've been working on for a couple years.

[00:27:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I wrote the initial draft in 2021 I believe and just totally worked on it since then.

[00:27:36] [SPEAKER_02]: And sometime after that I kind of fell into the rabbit hole of comic books like reading them for a long time Western comics.

[00:27:47] [SPEAKER_02]: I was just a major blind spot in the media I was consuming and getting a little bit off track here but.

[00:27:55] [SPEAKER_02]: I basically returned to reading Western comics after like 20 years of not having much experience with them and I just completely fell in love with the medium and a little while after that I started thinking like well like you know I like writing and I like comic so I should.

[00:28:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe I can try and write some comics and I found a couple of subreddits on bed where you know there there would be artists just like saying that they're looking for work and.

[00:28:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Pretty early on I found Dovey his samples were great so I just reached out and at that point.

[00:28:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I you know zero idea what I was doing.

[00:28:43] [SPEAKER_02]: I thought you know like I'll just mission two or three pages to just like see how it goes like as like a I don't know like a fun.

[00:28:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah gift to myself almost I just bring a couple pages of this story to life and I think as soon as I saw the first page I just like.

[00:29:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Ball in love with the process it was it was just such a burst of joy as a creator to because you know with.

[00:29:16] [SPEAKER_02]: It's green writing especially when you're when you're trying to break in like there's is not a lot of.

[00:29:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Tangerable reward I guess because you know you're you're trying to get staff or you're trying to get your your show or your movie made which usually requires millions of dollars.

[00:29:34] [SPEAKER_02]: And so as as you know as as a new screen at her you quite a far ways off from.

[00:29:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Seeing seeing your your thing be made usually and so when when I saw that first page it just felt.

[00:29:50] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm amazing to me and I thought you know I'm going to keep doing this and then I kind of just kept moving the goal post for myself initially I was going to do.

[00:30:01] [SPEAKER_02]: One 32 pages she and be done because that was already a pretty substantial.

[00:30:06] [SPEAKER_02]: I thought that was a pretty simple.

[00:30:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Use a.

[00:30:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Investment and I thought I would do this and be done but that was only like the halfway point of the pilot I'd written and then I thought like well.

[00:30:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Actually I was even even at that point as a little bit unsure about whether or not I wanted to like commit to like.

[00:30:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Doubling the size of what I initially intended to do.

[00:30:30] [SPEAKER_02]: But while I was hesitating.

[00:30:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Dovey actually he just like emailed me like so are we going to start issue two and I thought like well you've you've twisting my hands.

[00:30:41] [SPEAKER_02]: So let's go ahead with it and so.

[00:30:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Then I thought you know like okay like I'll do two issues and then you know I guess like see how that goes.

[00:30:54] [SPEAKER_02]: But once once I had started like getting into the habit of writing the pages and you know seeing the heart like I just wanted to keep going so I don't I don't know how you know well advise it is to.

[00:31:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Try and keep keep the series going.

[00:31:14] [SPEAKER_02]: For for so long because like my anticipated plans for or.

[00:31:20] [SPEAKER_02]: You can take take quite a while to get through.

[00:31:23] [SPEAKER_02]: But for for now I am committed to going going forward with it and as for when when Tom came on board.

[00:31:33] [SPEAKER_02]: I was actually.

[00:31:37] [SPEAKER_02]: At a screenwriting conference last year and I was just telling a couple of people about this comic that I was working on in house in for a letter.

[00:31:46] [SPEAKER_02]: And one friend I made recommended Tom as someone he knew and at that time like I.

[00:31:55] [SPEAKER_02]: I was I just I had very little experience collaborating with other.

[00:32:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm a creators but I reached out to Tom and he was so like helpful and kind to me immediately and he kind of showed me a lot of the ropes of like okay so you know if you want to get these pages letter like this is the you know this is the file format that works well you know here's like how to.

[00:32:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Because before that like my.

[00:32:29] [SPEAKER_02]: The scripts I was working with with with dovey was mostly in screenplay format actually because that was just what I knew at the time right but once I started working with Tom he helped me a lot with just.

[00:32:44] [SPEAKER_02]: You know figuring out a navigate the process properly so both both he and dovey.

[00:32:52] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like they're very helpful to me and very patient with me as I kind of like learned the ropes of writing and making comics.

[00:33:03] [SPEAKER_04]: With you know.

[00:33:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Going from a screenplay to then turning that into a comic script like for you for someone who you know it's clear that you said you've been working.

[00:33:14] [SPEAKER_04]: You worked on Chen two for a number of years it sounds like you probably worked on other screenplays and you know that was and probably still is a passion of yours.

[00:33:26] [SPEAKER_04]: When you were doing those things and dovey and Tom are saying oh we've made some comics before this would be helpful to us in terms of the collaboration to take that script the screenplay script to like.

[00:33:40] [SPEAKER_04]: The comic script was it for you one you know where those changes more form or or more function.

[00:33:49] [SPEAKER_02]: There there are some of both for sure that the change the changes to the.

[00:33:57] [SPEAKER_02]: To I think that the kind of the adaptation process required more changes to the actual story.

[00:34:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Then I initially expected not in terms of plot but in terms like a lot of the the dialogues and the dialogue in the pacing of some of the scenes like in in retrospect it like comics and.

[00:34:24] [SPEAKER_02]: And you know TV or animation are kind of adjacent mediums in a way but they still are pretty different.

[00:34:34] [SPEAKER_02]: And like I guess the big differences that one kind of like you have to witness in real time versus the more like.

[00:34:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Time disconnected nature of comics.

[00:34:46] [SPEAKER_02]: But that that took a while for me to sort through.

[00:34:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Like one I think the big concrete change that I had to get used to was that there is.

[00:35:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Generally.

[00:35:05] [SPEAKER_02]: More dialogue and captions specifically in comics because I mean you you just don't really have captions.

[00:35:13] [SPEAKER_02]: In that way in TV usually unless it's voice over narration right which is not something you always have I mean you don't always have to have captions either but I think.

[00:35:25] [SPEAKER_02]: If you don't have as much dialogue or captions in your comic because it is often more like intentional part of the process.

[00:35:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Or I don't know there's there's a lot of flexibility to it but I found that when I was you know kind of converting to the comic like.

[00:35:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I had to introduce a lot of captions where like previously there hadn't been voice over so that necessitated writing like more.

[00:35:54] [SPEAKER_02]: New dialogue and text and I had imagined and also just like when I realized when.

[00:36:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Kind of changing a lot of the just like the moments the actions from like something that would be happening like in like.

[00:36:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Blue Width seamless you know animation to just like specific panels like some moments and scenes just like don't work as well or in the same way so it took some tweaking in that regard as well.

[00:36:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah yeah I mean that that would make sense.

[00:36:24] [SPEAKER_04]: But you know it's almost like if you're watching something and then you you have to find the perfect moment where you would.

[00:36:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Or as the TV show or pause the movie to kind of convey all of the action that happens on screen or you know to kind of change it to convey what it is you want to do and I can see how that.

[00:36:46] [SPEAKER_04]: You know could take some some getting used to kind of switch from like the screen writer mode to comic writer mode.

[00:36:55] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm curious you know you said you'd come back to or gotten into like Western comics later what was it that really kind of.

[00:37:04] [SPEAKER_04]: You know the things that you were you know consuming or viewing or taking in was it was it a lot of TV or was movies or you know like manga what was the kind of thing that really.

[00:37:21] [SPEAKER_04]: You know fuel your passion to want to create.

[00:37:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah so I read and still you know read a lot of novels.

[00:37:31] [SPEAKER_02]: I watch movies and TV especially more so like after I started pursuing screen writing because that's something that I wasn't always doing as well that was something that like.

[00:37:44] [SPEAKER_02]: I started pursuing maybe like six six years ago at this point.

[00:37:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay and so so now like I feel like I'm perpetually trying to catch up on all the movies and TV shows I still need to watch.

[00:38:00] [SPEAKER_02]: But I think the thing that I consumed the most was.

[00:38:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Anime and manga probably and it was just especially like the big shot in series like you know like one piece and Naruto and and bleach.

[00:38:18] [SPEAKER_02]: My hero academia series like that right.

[00:38:22] [SPEAKER_02]: So those are kind of the the big the big thing for me for a long time.

[00:38:28] [SPEAKER_04]: And so what what initially.

[00:38:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Was it that made you want to you know take up screen writing.

[00:38:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Was it something like that you saw and you wanted to kind of like emulate and be a part of or was it just that you you know you like to write and you thought that.

[00:38:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Getting into screen writing would kind of be the the best use of your time and being a writer.

[00:38:54] [SPEAKER_02]: So I've basically always been a writer.

[00:39:00] [SPEAKER_02]: My ever ever since I was a kid creative writing is what I want to do but I was more focused on prose for a long time so I was okay.

[00:39:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Did a lot of no fan fiction text based role playing like my thinking little novels stuff like that and I somebody that the official title my thinking little.

[00:39:23] [SPEAKER_02]: That's such a that's how I label it in my head.

[00:39:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Sorry go ahead.

[00:39:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I stumbled upon screen writing sort of sort of as a way I found I've actually found that there are quite a few.

[00:39:39] [SPEAKER_02]: And so I think that's a lot of screen writers like some of them you know they've kind of been kind of tuned into the film and TV industry their whole lives and there are others who are more like me who like have always been writers but weren't as aware of screen writing as a thing for a while.

[00:39:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Because I think when you're a kid like you just have more exposure to novelists I think it's just a bit more obvious that like you know you have the novelist the novels and you have the novelist whereas.

[00:40:14] [SPEAKER_02]: With with movies you don't have as much like.

[00:40:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Easy perception of the screen writers that you know are a process yeah you read in a book and the name of the authors right on the book but you know have the time.

[00:40:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Unless you're really paying attention to the credits you you don't you know especially as a kid you might not be.

[00:40:35] [SPEAKER_02]: As perceptive to know you know who wrote this or that that was a job you know that that's somebody wrote that they got paid to do that and you know yeah I heard it for a long time is just something that I didn't really like consciously think about doing but I took a screen writing class on a whim and I really.

[00:40:54] [SPEAKER_02]: I fell in love with the process and I guess like my rationale was that I didn't I didn't want to abandon writing prose but it seemed to me that.

[00:41:07] [SPEAKER_02]: I kind of learning how to screen write and the process of actually breaking to the industry would be more involved than.

[00:41:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Then getting a novel published there's just you know way more moving parts and a lot more.

[00:41:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Money involved in getting something made so I figured.

[00:41:29] [SPEAKER_02]: It would.

[00:41:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Make more sense to like kind of put novel writing like a little bit more on the back burner for the time being and then and then focus on screen writing and then from from there I kind of.

[00:41:45] [SPEAKER_02]: More recently moved on to writing comics as well and every time I've kind of.

[00:41:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Explored a new format or medium it's it's been over overwhelming and scary and get and it feels like I'm like starting from scratch again but it also is so fundamentally exciting to me.

[00:42:09] [SPEAKER_02]: You know some people they'll say that you know all like their life's mission is to write novels or comics or screen or movies and I have never felt.

[00:42:26] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm a part of a particular.

[00:42:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I've never felt loyal to a specific medium I guess and that's not to say I don't love any of them I feel like I love all of them but as I kind of move between mediums and it.

[00:42:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Like becomes clear to me like how.

[00:42:46] [SPEAKER_02]: The unique strengths and even the limitations of the different mediums kind of influence the stories you can tell it makes me feel like.

[00:42:54] [SPEAKER_02]: I want to tell stories in as many different formats as possible ultimately and to not you know limit myself to one lane or another.

[00:43:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, no I mean that's broken like a like a true writer right just want to.

[00:43:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Tell good stories and.

[00:43:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, there is a fun though I think in trying to figure out the different the different format need of the different media whether not it's a novel or a comic or.

[00:43:29] [SPEAKER_04]: A cartoon or you know anime.

[00:43:32] [SPEAKER_02]: One nice one nice thing about it is that I think if you're working strictly as um you know say like a novelist or comic book writer and when you have an idea you kind of have to like.

[00:43:46] [SPEAKER_02]: You kind of have to develop it within you know like the medium that you're working in but it's fun when you like when you do have more options and you can kind of think like okay like here's this idea like.

[00:43:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Doesn't make more sense to develop as you know a novel or movie.

[00:44:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Or a comic book and it's fun to think about it in that way.

[00:44:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh yeah absolutely.

[00:44:10] [SPEAKER_04]: So what can you tell you know listeners about how how how how can they get sent to one and two and then I know we talked a little bit.

[00:44:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Before we started recording but you're going to you know hopefully plan and have.

[00:44:29] [SPEAKER_04]: This and this I guess I don't know if you're calling it like a spring anthology but it's you know stories that are set in a different year in the spring time.

[00:44:42] [SPEAKER_04]: We you why how can they.

[00:44:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Get a hold of everything which and what you're playing for the anthology.

[00:44:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah well let me get to the anthology in a second but in terms of chance to one and two.

[00:44:55] [SPEAKER_02]: What I'll say first of all is that the whole process of.

[00:45:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Kind of producing and selling and marketing the comics as products like that that's been like a huge.

[00:45:15] [SPEAKER_02]: And then I'm going to say that the whole process of the new world of stuff that I'm learning to do.

[00:45:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Like like you know we talked about the challenges of like converting.

[00:45:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Screenplay to the comic but that was like I discovered like to my my horror maybe that was just like the beginning of the process because.

[00:45:35] [SPEAKER_02]: The thing with the thing that making like an indie comic compared to just writing a screenplay.

[00:45:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Like what's great about it is that you know I was able to.

[00:45:47] [SPEAKER_02]: You know make a complete and it's tangible work and that felt very rewarding instead of just you know having to sit on screenplays and.

[00:45:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Back people from money to make them but the downside or not the downside but like the challenge that came with that is that.

[00:46:05] [SPEAKER_02]: When it came to like trying to like figure out how to print like paying money to print like.

[00:46:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Thinking like okay like how am I going to.

[00:46:15] [SPEAKER_02]: How am I going to sell this like I learned how to use Shopify to read about like state tax laws and just like all this stuff that I never thought I would have to interact with as a writer.

[00:46:26] [SPEAKER_02]: And it was very intimidating and my instinct at almost every stage of this process was to like just like curl up and hide and not deal with it because I signed up to to write not to you know like.

[00:46:44] [SPEAKER_02]: To learn how to make a website or Shopify store or any of that but like ultimately I can appreciate like how much it like forced me to.

[00:46:56] [SPEAKER_02]: To go out of my comfort zone I guess because I am like I like my comfort zone in a lot of in a lot of ways like it usually takes a lot to push me to.

[00:47:08] [SPEAKER_02]: I stuff I'm not comfortable with but the whole comic book process like it like.

[00:47:14] [SPEAKER_02]: And every step it was like well like I did this now I should try and find out how to sell it.

[00:47:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay now I have the store I need to figure out how to like market it to people now I've marketed it and people have bought it so I need to like learn how to like actually like package the comics and ship them and all that so it's it's just been like a constant learning process that's been exhausting but also exciting and.

[00:47:42] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's a long way of saying I do have a Shopify store.

[00:47:49] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if we can put like the link to that or like my social media in.

[00:47:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, in the show notes in the show notes for our website and you know for wherever you get your podcasts I'll put links to everything so you know you can.

[00:48:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Find Alan and follow Alan on social media and you can find we'll put a link if there's a Shopify store will put a link there so you can download.

[00:48:16] [SPEAKER_04]: You can buy.

[00:48:18] [SPEAKER_04]: The comic.

[00:48:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, we can do all of that and yeah I I really enjoyed it.

[00:48:27] [SPEAKER_04]: I didn't you know I.

[00:48:29] [SPEAKER_04]: It was something that I didn't know what to expect I'm not familiar with the concept or the mythology of moon rabbits.

[00:48:39] [SPEAKER_04]: But but as soon as the gentoo's journey started in issue one.

[00:48:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Because you kind of quickly get to your premise with Shen to.

[00:48:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Traveling from town to town and trying to bring medicine and there aren't that many moon rabbits anymore and some of the folks in the village are upset because people have died.

[00:49:02] [SPEAKER_04]: You kind of get to that like very quickly and you know there's a there's a bad guy in it and there's quite a bit of action in it and there's like a ton of heart Shen to is someone that.

[00:49:15] [SPEAKER_04]: It tries to act immune to what has happened to her because she's immortal but I can't help but you know care.

[00:49:26] [SPEAKER_04]: And I just I really kind of fell in love with it and was so happy reading issues wanted to.

[00:49:34] [SPEAKER_04]: So yeah we'll have links to everything in the show notes so folks can check it out.

[00:49:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm really excited to share his story with more people.

[00:49:43] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm thinking this episode probably come out like around September 17 so maybe that's when people are seeing this but that is when issues one and two are supposed to officially come out or that they've been kind of trickling out into the wild for little for the last couple weeks.

[00:50:04] [SPEAKER_02]: But also beyond this.

[00:50:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Kind of the the next step for the Shen to series before we kind of get move on to issue three is I'm making kind of an anthology comic it's called Shen to memories of spring and this is like.

[00:50:25] [SPEAKER_02]: It's it's sort of like like the seasonal anthologies that DC does you know like like there's you know they do like winter.

[00:50:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Anthologies bring one sometimes it's kind of like my my version of that and it's intended to kind of illustrate the passage of time between issues two and three in the journey of Shen to and Shavo.

[00:50:52] [SPEAKER_02]: And I had quite a few reasons for kind of taking on this anthology one of them was I did want to show.

[00:51:02] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that when the premise of the story as a whole is to show like the passage of time it kind of.

[00:51:11] [SPEAKER_02]: It would cheapen the experience if if time passed too quickly and we weren't able to feel you know that the weight of the years passing by.

[00:51:21] [SPEAKER_02]: And so I thought if I did this sort of anthology style comic where every.

[00:51:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Story is kind of like a little snippet of like a different year and we can kind of see like an accelerated.

[00:51:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Flip through of the childhood years of Shavo and so I just thought it would be kind of an efficient way to illustrate that part of his life and I also wanted to build experience working with different artists.

[00:51:50] [SPEAKER_02]: It was working with a dobbie for issues one and two it was it was an amazing experience but I also spent like a year.

[00:52:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Like over a year working with only one artist and I thought like if I want to do more in this industry I should really kind of just like.

[00:52:12] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's a great experience working with different artists in terms of you know style and like communication and all that so and actually.

[00:52:24] [SPEAKER_02]: I actually see people like recommend when you start out in comics like you should you should write short comics before writing like a full issue or a series right.

[00:52:33] [SPEAKER_02]: And the thing is like I didn't see that advice like until I was like all like already working on issue two and I thought like oh no like that like makes a lot of sense actually let me like go back and do that and just like write some short comics and make and make them with different different artists and kind of just like.

[00:52:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Like build up some some of those like fundamentals and that experience.

[00:53:01] [SPEAKER_04]: But I think at that point you've already written what like 70 pages of for issue one and two yeah it's it's or 64 pages between the two of them so it's just 70 yeah.

[00:53:13] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah so it's kind of like a weird like step back but like I just I just wanted to like build the experience and I thought like it was also a good opportunity to you know show like progression of childhood so it just it made sense for me to.

[00:53:31] [SPEAKER_02]: To pursue and I'm planning on doing a Kickstarter for that the pre campaign page should be up by the time this episode is up.

[00:53:43] [SPEAKER_02]: And the the campaign itself should be in January next year probably awesome.

[00:53:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Are you able to I guess to.

[00:53:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Tell us any of the the artists you plan on working with or you I mean are you waiting to like.

[00:54:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Surprise the the people who sign up for the pre launch I don't want to spoil anything I was just curious now I'm I'm happy to talk a little bit about that there's a couple.

[00:54:13] [SPEAKER_02]: A couple more spots that need to be filled yeah I have most of the artists on board for the stories like most of the stories are already in art is in progress already nice but I am so excited about this lineup of artists I genuinely think.

[00:54:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Like it's it's one of the greatest assemblies of Asian artists in Western comics and part and part of that I think is just like there has not been.

[00:54:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Now that much Asian or specifically Chinese content in Western comics as far as I can tell.

[00:54:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Like there it's kind of been on on the rise especially in more recent years but I think the representation has a long way to go and I'm happy to try to kind of do my part you know kind of bring together and highlighting.

[00:55:17] [SPEAKER_02]: talents of Asian artists in the community.

[00:55:23] [SPEAKER_02]: And so I want one of the first artists I talked to you for the project was

[00:55:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Ining who she is the artist for, you know, spirit world and the most recent poison IV issues.

[00:55:40] [SPEAKER_02]: She also did the covers for a chant to issues one and two.

[00:55:44] [SPEAKER_02]: So I was really, really excited when I had the chance to get her for, you know, interior art for a comic.

[00:55:56] [SPEAKER_02]: And so that's one of the artists on board.

[00:56:02] [SPEAKER_02]: So have a miner of ox, I mean, afraid to say their last name.

[00:56:11] [SPEAKER_03]: We, we shot, I don't know.

[00:56:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Lip play, Chang, Meghan Huang, I see her all the time in the interior.

[00:56:26] [SPEAKER_02]: But like I mean, all of them are amazing artists.

[00:56:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, Megan's fantastic.

[00:56:30] [SPEAKER_02]: And so it's been a treat to work with them all.

[00:56:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Well that's awesome.

[00:56:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's great.

[00:56:37] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, you know, I like the year said you're doing that to do your part to increase the representation in terms of Asian artists.

[00:56:47] [SPEAKER_04]: I think that's wonderful and it sounds like you have a, I mean, absolutely.

[00:56:51] [SPEAKER_04]: I think you're right, an absolutely fantastic lineup of artists to work with.

[00:56:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think that's going to be really exciting.

[00:56:59] [SPEAKER_04]: And I, you know, shall-ho of you kind of see an issue too.

[00:57:08] [SPEAKER_04]: But it is like an apprentice to Shen too.

[00:57:10] [SPEAKER_04]: So I'm really excited to kind of the how you bridge that gap between issue two and issue three whenever that comes out.

[00:57:18] [SPEAKER_04]: But that's fantastic.

[00:57:19] [SPEAKER_04]: And I'll put a link, whatever you send me the link listeners, you can go to the links in the show notes.

[00:57:24] [SPEAKER_04]: You can follow Alan on social media.

[00:57:26] [SPEAKER_04]: And once the, we have the link for the Shopify, you'll be able to get issue one an issue two and then sign up for the pre launch campaign for the, um,

[00:57:37] [SPEAKER_04]: For the Kickstarter in January.

[00:57:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Alan, thank you so much for coming on the podcast.

[00:57:43] [SPEAKER_04]: This is this has been wonderful.

[00:57:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's just been, it's been a real pleasure to just come and chat about comics.

[00:57:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, hopefully you'll be doing many more of these.

[00:57:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Hopefully this, this didn't take you too far out of your comfort comfort zone to come and chat about comics and.

[00:58:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Writing and screen writing and I just think I really enjoyed issues one and two.

[00:58:10] [SPEAKER_04]: I think folks are going to like it and.

[00:58:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, congrats on, you know, turning your screen play into your first comic.

[00:58:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, thanks so much for having me Jimmy.

[00:58:23] [SPEAKER_02]: It's been great.

[00:58:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Right. Yeah. Well, so listeners, everything will be in those show notes, so you can click on those links.

[00:58:30] [SPEAKER_04]: You can get sent to one and two.

[00:58:31] [SPEAKER_04]: We can sign up for the pre launch campaign.

[00:58:35] [SPEAKER_04]: And yeah, we have a lot of other great guests coming up.

[00:58:42] [SPEAKER_04]: And hopefully by the time you listen to this, you've also caught some of our other recent episodes like that cap.

[00:58:47] [SPEAKER_04]: As we were recording this that cap one episode came out today. We're going to have a special episode of my brother Bobby and I the cryptocurrency creator corners number one most dedicated fan talking about Baltimore Comic Con, which should have already come out.

[00:59:01] [SPEAKER_04]: And then we're going to do a post episode after this year's Baltimore Comic Con about everybody we saw on some of the folks we talked to and that'll be really fun.

[00:59:10] [SPEAKER_04]: I think we've been going to Baltimore for a number of years now. It's a it's a great Comic Con and yeah, you should check it out.

[00:59:19] [SPEAKER_04]: And so for comic book yetty, Jimmy Gasparo and Alan, thank you for coming on the cryptid creator corner.

[00:59:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Good luck with Shen to good luck with the upcoming Kickstarter campaign and yeah.

[00:59:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Great to have you in the world of indie comics.

[00:59:38] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm excited. I'm looking forward to many more Shen to to come.

[00:59:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm glad I'm glad to be here because I was just like it's crazy that year and a half ago, like I like really was not part of this scene at all.

[00:59:56] [SPEAKER_02]: But like I love it here and I'm hopefully here to stay so hoping to make many more comics awesome.

[01:00:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Alright, well, thank you, Alan and I thank you listeners. Let me know what you're reading, what you're into and yeah, I really appreciate you listening and thanks for doing that.

[01:00:17] [SPEAKER_04]: I will see you next time. Good night.

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