Archie Bongiovanni and Mary Verhoeven Interview - Teleportation and Other Luxuries

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[00:01:24] Hello and welcome to Comic Book YETI's Cryptid Creator Corner.

[00:01:27] I am one of your hosts, Jimmy Gasparo, and we are talking about a new, uh, Maverick imprint comic book.

[00:01:36] Maverick, uh, you might recall, is an imprint of Mad Cave Studios.

[00:01:39] And, um, this is a comic I got to read today, uh, an original graphic novel.

[00:01:45] I just, I just love it. It was, I've been having like a great run of good luck with these.

[00:01:50] Last episode, um, that I, that came out as I record this was Jeremy Whitley and, uh, Casio Ribeiro's Navigating With You, which was fantastic.

[00:02:00] And this is teleportation and other luxuries.

[00:02:03] And I am here with the artist for the series, Mary Verhoeven.

[00:02:06] Uh, Mary, hopefully I said that right. I forgot to check before we started.

[00:02:10] And, uh, yeah, Mary.

[00:02:12] Just about.

[00:02:13] Just about. Okay.

[00:02:15] Uh, welcome to the podcast, Mary.

[00:02:19] Well, thank you so much for having me on.

[00:02:20] I'm excited to get podcasting.

[00:02:23] Yeah, exactly.

[00:02:25] Um, yeah, thanks a lot so much for coming on.

[00:02:27] Teleportation and other luxuries.

[00:02:29] Um, written by Archie Bongiovanni.

[00:02:32] Uh, and, uh, I just absolutely, you know, love this story.

[00:02:38] Um, what do you want to go through and tell listeners a little bit about, you know, what it's about?

[00:02:44] Yeah.

[00:02:45] So the, how I've been describing it, it's very much like a corporate sponsored science fair where four disparate teams come together to make a team.

[00:02:55] Um, and they're to pitch an idea to a company, the very subtly named Blamazon.

[00:03:01] Um, and they're supposed to pitch an invention.

[00:03:04] And if their invention is chosen out of the pool of very talented teenage teams, then everybody in the team gets to go to college university full ride.

[00:03:14] Um, and you know, it's an exciting prospect for them.

[00:03:18] So they have this choice in front of them at a certain point without revealing too much where they can do something really fun and exciting, but not particularly safe.

[00:03:27] And they have another option, which is a very safe option and useful, but not particularly glamorous and might not let them win.

[00:03:35] Um, and these kids have like different backgrounds.

[00:03:38] They get to know each other.

[00:03:39] It's fun.

[00:03:40] It's funny.

[00:03:41] It's queer.

[00:03:42] It's everything you want in a comic book.

[00:03:44] Yeah, I agree.

[00:03:46] Like a hundred percent.

[00:03:47] Yeah.

[00:03:48] So the four, I mean the four characters it's Tyler.

[00:03:51] I'll just give a little breakdown and you can, uh, you know, correct me if I, you know, in terms of the character.

[00:03:57] In terms of my characterization, but Tyler is essentially, uh, a supposed prodigy of two, his two, both of the, his parents are, um, like well-known scientists.

[00:04:14] Yeah.

[00:04:15] Um, sort of like Elon Musk type people.

[00:04:19] So the kind of, uh, rich and well-known in science name kind of people.

[00:04:26] Yes.

[00:04:27] And, uh, there's Allegra who seems, uh, very intelligent at first seems very uncomfortable with being in a group setting.

[00:04:41] Um, and then, uh, Gabby.

[00:04:45] Oh, I love them.

[00:04:47] That Gabby.

[00:04:48] Yeah.

[00:04:48] Gabby was fantastic.

[00:04:50] Gabby wants to burn it all down.

[00:04:54] Gabby.

[00:04:54] I wish I'd been Gabby when I was a teenager, you know?

[00:04:57] Yeah.

[00:04:58] And then.

[00:04:58] Much cooler.

[00:05:01] Oh.

[00:05:01] Yeah.

[00:05:03] Archie.

[00:05:04] Well, well.

[00:05:05] Hello.

[00:05:06] Bonjour.

[00:05:07] Hi.

[00:05:07] Sorry.

[00:05:08] I'm late.

[00:05:09] Can I hop in?

[00:05:10] Yes.

[00:05:10] No, we, we, we, we, we just got started.

[00:05:13] We're talking about four very cool teams who you may know.

[00:05:17] Yes.

[00:05:19] All right.

[00:05:20] Uh, Mary, Mary and I had gotten started, but listen, uh, Archie, uh, just joined us.

[00:05:27] This is the writer of teleportation and other luxuries and, uh, Archie Bongiovanni.

[00:05:34] How'd I do?

[00:05:35] That's correct.

[00:05:36] Oh, great.

[00:05:37] Uh, well, the welcome Archie to the podcast, to the cryptid creator corner.

[00:05:42] Yeah.

[00:05:43] We just started talking about a little bit about what the story is about.

[00:05:46] And we were going through, um, you know, the, the characters, uh, now, I think we had

[00:05:51] just gotten to number four, uh, LJ who L LJ.

[00:05:57] I really liked Gabby.

[00:05:58] I was just saying to Mary that I think Gabby, they were my, my favorite character.

[00:06:03] I loved how it's outspoken Gabby was.

[00:06:05] I love that.

[00:06:06] Um, I, I think I said Gabby wanted wants to burn it all down.

[00:06:10] Gabby just wants to take it all on.

[00:06:11] Um, but LJ, when they go LJ is someone who, uh, he, it seems like a lot of people left

[00:06:20] his town and he, uh, basically stayed to keep it running.

[00:06:24] But there's a, there's a scene where they go through LJ's like listed job and not all

[00:06:31] of them are covered because there's a couple of things that I felt like were just like slipped

[00:06:34] in where someone says something and LJ just mentions that like, he's also, if they need

[00:06:39] a tooth pulled, like, so he's also the down dentist.

[00:06:42] Yeah.

[00:06:43] Yeah.

[00:06:44] Um, yeah.

[00:06:46] Yeah.

[00:06:46] So first of all, Archie, I was telling Mary, I absolutely loved it.

[00:06:50] I've been having such a great run of these Maverick imprint.

[00:06:53] I'm a big man cave fan.

[00:06:54] Anyway, I love the paper cuts.

[00:06:56] I love Maverick.

[00:06:57] I, the episode of the podcast that came out today, as we record, this was with Jeremy

[00:07:00] Whitley.

[00:07:01] I love navigating with you that he, that he wrote.

[00:07:05] Um, and I think, uh, it was, uh, Cassie Ribeiro, uh, the artist on that.

[00:07:09] Um, this I thought was so great, uh, teleportation, other luxuries.

[00:07:15] I, I, I love these kids.

[00:07:18] Um, and I just really, I love where the story went that they had to come together to build

[00:07:22] this thing.

[00:07:23] Yeah.

[00:07:24] And, you know, for this competition, I, that whole set up and conceit, I, I really liked

[00:07:30] a couple of things though, that I wanted to highlight, you know, for listeners and say

[00:07:34] that I love is that, um, I, I love that.

[00:07:40] I, I couldn't really tell where it was going to go.

[00:07:43] I thought it went in some unexpected places with all the characters.

[00:07:47] And I still, I mean, I, I, every once in a while we'll talk about, you know, we, we cover

[00:07:51] a lot of different comics here.

[00:07:53] We're, we're geared towards indie comics and the topic of representation comes up, uh,

[00:07:59] quite often.

[00:08:00] I, I, I love with these characters that they all felt like they felt like, like, like real

[00:08:06] kids.

[00:08:07] There wasn't anything where you're pointing an arrow at them, you know, and saying, oh,

[00:08:11] they're, they're this, they're different, but they, they all were so unique.

[00:08:15] Um, such unique personalities.

[00:08:18] And they just felt like, you know, just normal, just, just kids, you know, just doing their

[00:08:24] thing.

[00:08:25] And this is, this is what kids are being the way that they want to be.

[00:08:29] I love that about it.

[00:08:30] The other thing I really loved.

[00:08:32] And I think Mary, this, I don't know the dynamic in terms of it, but there's so many little

[00:08:37] things like on the walls, uh, at Lamazon, like little posters, little like, yeah.

[00:08:44] Isn't there one that's like, uh, I didn't, I didn't write it down.

[00:08:46] I should have like, uh, uh, like friend, uh, without like NDA or, uh, we're NDA, not friend

[00:08:55] DA.

[00:08:55] Keep your mouth shut.

[00:08:57] Yeah.

[00:08:58] Love all this.

[00:09:00] Um, I love so much putting, uh, little bits and bobs in the background.

[00:09:05] Um, like set dressing in a comic book is like one of the great joys and I'm tired of figuring

[00:09:10] out perspective and where the speech bubbles are going to go, where the characters are

[00:09:14] going to be.

[00:09:14] I'm just like, I'm going to make a weird little poster right here just for me.

[00:09:17] Yeah.

[00:09:19] Yeah.

[00:09:20] Go ahead.

[00:09:20] You know, Mary's imagination and like embellishing, you know, like I got to write the script and

[00:09:27] the characters, but Mary's like art is just so strong.

[00:09:31] Um, and yeah, your sense, the way you draw a place and the people and like the way that

[00:09:36] you embellish the characters and the place, um, makes it, makes their, makes it mean there's

[00:09:44] like so many little Easter eggs that you can find.

[00:09:48] If you like take the time to look at the art from like the signs on the wall to like the

[00:09:52] kids patches.

[00:09:53] So like, oh yeah, there's like, uh, pulled down posters on brick and stuff that you can

[00:09:59] like see like a subplot about unionization.

[00:10:02] Yeah.

[00:10:02] The whole thing I was like putting there is like, we're just going to leave a bunch of

[00:10:05] little crumbs for everyone who wants to look.

[00:10:07] Yeah.

[00:10:08] A lot of crumbs in the art.

[00:10:09] Yeah.

[00:10:10] There's another scene where, um, Tyler gets a message, uh, from his dad and he is very

[00:10:18] distraught over the nature of the message.

[00:10:20] But like in the background is this poster that says, see something, say something about

[00:10:26] like corporate espionage.

[00:10:28] Yeah.

[00:10:30] I mean, there's definitely a commentary on this kid going through this thing and there,

[00:10:36] there's still this like looming, you know, corporation.

[00:10:41] Um, and especially, yeah.

[00:10:43] And that was like super on purpose too.

[00:10:45] Like he's going through it.

[00:10:46] He's having like a rough time and like, he's in a place that does not care about him or

[00:10:50] his stupid feelings, you know, like it is about itself and itself only.

[00:10:55] Yeah.

[00:10:56] It's like that his parents are like their expectations are looming over him.

[00:11:01] And with that is the corporation who has those expectations of his parents and as absolutely

[00:11:07] and so it's just like all this pressure.

[00:11:11] Yeah.

[00:11:12] Oh, absolutely.

[00:11:12] Um, and as an attorney, I really appreciated there was a little nod in the, in the beginning

[00:11:18] about the, you know, blamazon like everything.

[00:11:22] Yeah.

[00:11:23] Everything they create like these kids, everything, these kids have property of blamazon and you

[00:11:29] can't do this and you can't do that.

[00:11:31] And it was, it's this moment you're getting into and you're like, all right, you read the

[00:11:34] description, you know, Frank from mad cave and, you know, sends the stuff over and I

[00:11:39] read what it's about.

[00:11:40] And they send over the little creator blurbs for, you know, Archie and Mary and, um, and

[00:11:47] I get into it.

[00:11:47] It was just, I was, parts of it.

[00:11:50] I was kind of expecting, but like that little, like, like asterisk was I've read in contracts

[00:11:57] before.

[00:11:58] I just thought that was such a very specific touch to kind of like ground the story in

[00:12:04] like, uh, you know, there was some like actual like stakes to it.

[00:12:08] It's like, we're, we're not, we're not just talking about these kids and how they have

[00:12:11] to come together and how they have to work as a team.

[00:12:14] And like, there was just this added element to it of, of the, this, like the corporation.

[00:12:21] And I, the looming specter of corporate greed, truly.

[00:12:24] Does it not loom?

[00:12:25] Is it not there constantly?

[00:12:28] Yeah, absolutely.

[00:12:30] Um, yeah, I, I just, I had such a fun time, um, reading it and, and discovering, uh, you

[00:12:40] know, discovering these characters and, um, you know, I always, I, I, I like there were,

[00:12:47] there was such a sweet element to it, especially when we see there's a great panel transition

[00:12:56] where like, it's a closeup on Allegra and then you can see it in the, the, the, the panel

[00:13:03] behind Allegra and in the coloring that would now we're somewhere else.

[00:13:07] And we see like, we get a glimpse of Allegra at school.

[00:13:11] It quickly takes us out of the lab setting.

[00:13:13] We see what Allegra has gone through before, um, at, at, uh, her school.

[00:13:19] And then we kind of go to, we go right back to, uh, the, the lab setting again, and all

[00:13:26] the little elements like that, that kind of build up the characterization and the, the,

[00:13:30] the, I just thought were such lovely little touches.

[00:13:36] Um, I don't know if I have a question.

[00:13:39] Like, I was going to say, I just like, I want to hit that part of the script.

[00:13:43] I got very excited.

[00:13:44] You know, um, I like that we get to see why Allegra is sort of, despite being incredibly

[00:13:49] bright and smart and science guy.

[00:13:51] Um, it's just like, I'm, I don't know what that is.

[00:13:54] Uh, don't talk to me about it.

[00:13:56] It doesn't just leave me alone.

[00:13:57] I'm just a scoop back here.

[00:13:58] You know, it gave her, um, a reason why she's being so reticent to like share this

[00:14:04] really cool part of her.

[00:14:05] And there's also a really, I don't know.

[00:14:08] There's something kind of.

[00:14:10] Right.

[00:14:10] Like really heartbreaking about it where she's listening to what these other students,

[00:14:16] these other girls are saying about her.

[00:14:18] And they say, Oh, they mentioned her being trans and like, well, no, she's not weird.

[00:14:22] Cause she's trans.

[00:14:23] She's weird because of like, you know, she's a nerd or whatever it is.

[00:14:29] It's like, yeah, I don't know.

[00:14:31] There was like an added, I either was just like more to it.

[00:14:35] So it's like, you could just picture a kid feeling alone.

[00:14:39] Who's already dealing with questions of identity or gender.

[00:14:43] But now you have your peers saying, well, yeah, there's this thing about you.

[00:14:48] Uh, that you might expect is the reason folks are apprehensive, but that that's not even

[00:14:53] it.

[00:14:53] It's something else that it's just.

[00:14:54] Yeah.

[00:14:56] It's the other thing you're actually passionate about.

[00:14:58] Yeah.

[00:14:59] Like a true, like.

[00:15:02] Being in like the queer community.

[00:15:05] I was like, Oh, like, am I being discriminated or against because of this?

[00:15:10] Or is it because of like, whatever?

[00:15:11] And it's like, no, it's cause I'm a little weirdo.

[00:15:13] You know, we're all awkward sometimes, you know, and like, it isn't actually always about

[00:15:20] that one.

[00:15:21] Like identify.

[00:15:22] 100%.

[00:15:23] It's actually, you know, your personality is so much bigger.

[00:15:28] Like that.

[00:15:28] It's actually because your personality.

[00:15:30] So.

[00:15:33] I wanted like each kid to be under.

[00:15:37] Like, they're just like under so much pressure.

[00:15:41] And while like, you know, when I think about like teen readers, like, um, I think all teens,

[00:15:47] like, I think teens can be like incredibly smart, but you know, these characters are like,

[00:15:51] I don't like.

[00:15:52] They're like comically smart, you know, they're little, they are like brainiac.

[00:15:56] Um, but the pressure that they're under, I tried to feel, tried to be like, well, it

[00:16:03] could be like things that any teen could kind of feel pressure of pressure of like, you

[00:16:09] know, um, doing well for your parents, you know, like their expectations of you.

[00:16:14] And then like for LJ, like pressure from your community.

[00:16:17] Um, and that the people that, that you call family.

[00:16:21] And then I feel like, like Gabby's like, you know, has a, I think Gabby's pressure is

[00:16:28] like more internal.

[00:16:28] Like, she has a pressure, she feels pressure to like fight against the world, you know,

[00:16:34] like to do the right thing.

[00:16:36] Um, as well as like some other obligations that are maybe spoilers.

[00:16:40] Um, and then Allegra, I feel like the, her pressure is like almost like it is also internal.

[00:16:46] It's like pressure to be, to not be who she is, you know, out loud.

[00:16:51] Um, yeah.

[00:16:53] And I feel like those are can, you don't have to be, you know, a teen scientist to like have

[00:17:00] like, kind of.

[00:17:02] Yeah.

[00:17:02] Yeah.

[00:17:02] No, I agree.

[00:17:03] Like, well, those, some of those situations are height, but the, the, whether the pressure

[00:17:09] and the stress or anxiety is external or, or internal.

[00:17:14] Um, yeah, I, I think that's like an unbelievably, you know, relatable aspect of it.

[00:17:21] Whether or not it's outside or, or, or you're doing it to yourself in terms of the expectations

[00:17:26] you put upon yourself and you, you put the, all of them, the four of them in this, um, you

[00:17:31] know, in this setting.

[00:17:33] Um, yeah.

[00:17:34] So what was, I kind of curious in, in terms of doing this, like there, was it like, uh,

[00:17:41] you know, the overbearing corporate greed?

[00:17:44] I mean, cause you know, you, you really both in the writing and in Mary's art really went

[00:17:50] after, uh, Blamazon.

[00:17:52] And I mean, there were, it was so good.

[00:17:57] Uh, we're very subtle, actually.

[00:18:02] A gentle hand.

[00:18:04] Yeah.

[00:18:05] A gentle hand.

[00:18:06] Just a little touch, you know?

[00:18:07] Yeah.

[00:18:08] Um, yeah.

[00:18:09] I think when I was like starting to kind of concept the story, knowing that it was going

[00:18:15] to take place in like the distant, not so distant future, I was like, what do I actually

[00:18:23] think that future might look like?

[00:18:25] And it is like a little, like with things like completely unchecked, I think like consumerism.

[00:18:32] Um, and then like, yeah.

[00:18:33] And like the power of corporations and how it just like leaks into like all the good

[00:18:39] things, you know, like of these people, like it, you know, people are like in this world,

[00:18:44] like science doesn't necessarily exist the same way that it does now, which is like, you

[00:18:50] know, it's a little bit of every, it does it all right now, but like, yeah.

[00:18:55] Not necessarily trying to like cure something or be helpful.

[00:18:59] It is like literally trying to make products, new products for people to buy.

[00:19:04] And I was like, I do feel like that is a very realistic view of the future.

[00:19:11] Yeah.

[00:19:11] You know, and like a little bit of the present as well.

[00:19:15] Yeah.

[00:19:16] I don't think you're wrong.

[00:19:17] I mean, uh, yeah.

[00:19:20] Um, but I will, Mary and I were talking about it.

[00:19:24] Before we started recording, but one of the things I do as an attorney is plaintiff's personal

[00:19:30] injury and, and workers, workers compensation.

[00:19:33] Um, and there's, there is a, there's one company in particular that I think really does a bad

[00:19:39] job of how it treats its employees.

[00:19:42] If they've been injured at work.

[00:19:44] Um, and especially because they set up a work environment where it's very, their employers

[00:19:50] can be somewhat susceptible to their employees can be susceptible to them.

[00:19:55] Yeah.

[00:19:55] So, um, yeah, I think that future is probably the future of, uh, teleportation and other luxuries

[00:20:01] is maybe closer than we'd like it to be.

[00:20:04] Yeah.

[00:20:05] Totally.

[00:20:06] Totally.

[00:20:09] Um, so I, in terms of the development of the story, like how long from like concept

[00:20:16] to scripting, is that a process for you, Archie?

[00:20:20] Um, I think, um, it, it, it totally, it varies on the project.

[00:20:27] I think I worked on the script for like a year, maybe a little bit over a year.

[00:20:32] Um, from, from start to finish of like concepting to, you know, finishing the script and like as

[00:20:41] editing as we go.

[00:20:44] Um, I feel like the concept took the longest for me to be like, what?

[00:20:50] Cause I was like, okay, a story about like teen scientists.

[00:20:53] And then I had to like, really like rap because Maverick came and was like, we want you to

[00:20:59] write this comic.

[00:21:00] We think you'd be great at it.

[00:21:01] And I was like, what?

[00:21:02] I guess we'll find out.

[00:21:07] Yeah.

[00:21:07] We'll find out.

[00:21:08] And I was like, well, how, if I were to read a comic like this, what would I want it to be about?

[00:21:13] Because I'm not a scientist.

[00:21:15] I'm a comic artist and writer, you know?

[00:21:18] Yeah.

[00:21:19] Um, but I was like, what is cool about science?

[00:21:23] And like when people are passionate about something, what, how did that like kind of

[00:21:26] develop?

[00:21:27] Um, and like, how can that be embedded in these characters?

[00:21:32] Um, and then how can I make these characters like the most fun versions of themselves?

[00:21:37] Um, yeah.

[00:21:39] So, so I think concepting sometimes when I am coming up with a new story takes the longest

[00:21:46] and then the script kind of like flows as I kind of like can plow through it once I have

[00:21:52] those like characters and the actual plot kind of like figured out.

[00:21:57] All right.

[00:21:58] Let's take a quick break.

[00:21:59] After a string of unexplained disappearances in the southern parts of the United States,

[00:22:12] retired detective Clint searches for his white trash brother.

[00:22:15] While searching for him, he ends up being abducted by aliens.

[00:22:19] He is now in the arena for big guns, stupid rednecks, an intergalactic cables newest hit

[00:22:25] show, which puts him and other humans in laser gun gladiatorial combat.

[00:22:30] And his brother is the reigning champion with 27 kills.

[00:22:35] That's the premise for a new book from band of Barnes, big guns, stupid rednecks.

[00:22:40] I got a chance to see an advanced preview of this book and being from the south, honestly,

[00:22:44] I was a bit skeptical going in, but they won me over and nothing is more powerful than an

[00:22:49] initially skeptic convert in my book.

[00:22:51] In Jimmy's words, big guns, stupid rednecks is many things, but it isn't subtle.

[00:22:55] It tells you exactly what it is up front.

[00:22:58] Then it delivers with a great premise, fantastic art and a whole mess of fun.

[00:23:02] I had a great time reading big guns, stupid rednecks and what I thought was going to be

[00:23:06] an indictment of redneck culture quickly showed it was actually a love letter, a family mystery,

[00:23:11] brother pitted against brother, aliens fighting for profit in a big arena.

[00:23:15] This truly has it all.

[00:23:17] Issue one is out already, but you can still pick up a copy on the band of Bards website

[00:23:21] and current issues are available via your previews or lunar order form,

[00:23:24] or just ask your LCS.

[00:23:26] Don't miss it.

[00:23:27] Let's get back to the show.

[00:23:29] What do you think?

[00:23:30] What was the, which was the toughest character to kind of crack?

[00:23:35] I think it was Allegra.

[00:23:37] I think, I think Allegra was like a little bit harder to write because her motivation

[00:23:47] and, and like also like kind of like her little, her personality is a little more subtle

[00:23:51] because she is a quieter character.

[00:23:55] Um, and it is like, I, as myself, as an individual, and frequently the characters that I like to write

[00:24:02] are quite loud and boisterous people.

[00:24:05] And so you have like Tyler who is like a, like celebrity, you know, we have Gabby who is so outspoken.

[00:24:15] Um, and like LJ is a little bit more, yeah, like on the quiet side, but does get wrapped up in those two.

[00:24:22] And then Allegra is like kind of always, she's a little, she's a little mousy, you know?

[00:24:27] Yeah.

[00:24:27] Um, so I think it was kind of, it was hard to kind of like originally like kind of connect to that character

[00:24:33] and also to kind of like write her in a way where she's also like, just like all the other characters,

[00:24:40] like also continuously in the foreground as like a vital part of the team and a vital person to get to know.

[00:24:48] Okay.

[00:24:48] So I think that was like kind of hard.

[00:24:50] That was tough for me.

[00:24:51] Oh, all right.

[00:24:52] Oh, that's interesting.

[00:24:53] I was curious.

[00:25:03] Like what, what's your process like when you come on board to a project and you're like, all right, here's the script.

[00:25:09] Here's character descriptions, like whatever it might be.

[00:25:11] Like, how do you kind of approach how I, you know, because, uh, you know, how you can construct the characters in that world.

[00:25:20] I was actually given like incredibly clear character descriptions, um, that kind of made them come to life almost instantly.

[00:25:28] Um, especially with tie weirdly, not so much like the description was like, you know, heartthrob teen scientists.

[00:25:35] Um, he's going to look like kind of cool and suave.

[00:25:38] And in my head, I was like, sure, sure.

[00:25:40] But he's making video content.

[00:25:42] So I kind of also drew like some streamers.

[00:25:45] Um, that I have watched while, you know, working on art projects.

[00:25:50] It's nice to have something in the background.

[00:25:51] So I had like streamers that were just like, what's up gamers?

[00:25:55] Let's get the dub.

[00:25:56] Let's go for it.

[00:25:57] I'm like, okay, what's up streamers.

[00:25:59] We're going to invent some science.

[00:26:00] And that's like, I was just pulling from the description that I was given, but also just like, what brings me joy out here in the world, you know?

[00:26:08] Um, uh, I think most of them were a one and done actually.

[00:26:12] Um, I think Allegra had the most retooling.

[00:26:15] Um, and that's because we really wanted to at a certain point, lean into kind of an alien look.

[00:26:20] Um, cause I think we're saying like, she's into space and, um, you know, being in space and UFOs and stuff like, well, I'm just going to make her look a little bit like a Graylian.

[00:26:30] Just a little bit of kind of bigger head and just being like a little strange dude.

[00:26:35] And she feels alien, you know, amongst.

[00:26:38] Yeah.

[00:26:38] Yeah.

[00:26:39] She's like, yeah, she feels Graylian half Dana Scully.

[00:26:42] That's, that's the blender of, of Allegra.

[00:26:45] That's what she looks like.

[00:26:47] Yep.

[00:26:47] That's a great description.

[00:26:49] Yeah.

[00:26:49] That's, that was what I was thinking of when I was drawing her.

[00:26:52] I was like, Dana Scully guy, but a weird one.

[00:26:54] Oh, nice.

[00:26:56] Um, it's in terms of building things out though.

[00:27:00] Like I, one of the things I loved about it is that, um, trying to figure out how to describe this because there's, there's an interesting mix with like, uh, paper cuts and Maverick.

[00:27:15] There's an interesting mix between like kid books and either like YA or, or, or, or middle grade sometimes.

[00:27:22] And, and a lot more often with books for younger kids, you'll see things that are like brighter, maybe not so like defined panel descriptions.

[00:27:32] But what I loved about this was it, it definitely felt like at home, like with like the teen age bracket, but it was so bright and there was so much stuff going on.

[00:27:44] And like every panel, I was just like, how, how long did this take to draw some of these?

[00:27:50] Because there is, I mean, the, the lab, like there's a million things.

[00:27:56] Yeah.

[00:27:57] Um, I'm not a fan of minimalism, honestly.

[00:28:01] Uh, in drawing or in life.

[00:28:04] I don't like my backgrounds blurred, but I got stuff stuck up everywhere.

[00:28:08] Um, I like gadgets and choshkis and doodads.

[00:28:11] Um, some panels dead easy.

[00:28:15] I would get a panel that's like, Tyler says this, like, love that Tyler is here and he's saying that.

[00:28:19] And that's all it is.

[00:28:20] And then I'd have like a panel of like, it's a wide shot of the, of the center or the lab and, um, just have fun with it.

[00:28:28] I'm like, okay, sweet.

[00:28:29] So we're going to put in like a million little doodads.

[00:28:32] And then you also get to like makeup.

[00:28:33] It's like anachronistic.

[00:28:36] So vaguely futuristic, but like, you know, we get to pull from where we want to.

[00:28:39] So I just like stuck in weird crystals and odd vials.

[00:28:43] And there's like goop in tubes.

[00:28:46] It's great.

[00:28:46] What's the goop tube for?

[00:28:47] I don't know.

[00:28:48] I'm glad it's there though.

[00:28:49] I don't know.

[00:28:50] I mostly, I just want to bring joy to myself when I'm drawing the really complicated stuff because you're going to be at it for a while.

[00:28:55] So you might as well, you might regret it later on while you're coloring it, but while you're drawing it time of your life.

[00:29:01] Yeah.

[00:29:02] Speaking of like, uh, what's the goop for and, uh, things along those lines, Archie, I'm a huge fan of whenever there's any type of like techno babble, you know, like, like, like really like weird doctor who kind of, we have just invented this thing.

[00:29:20] And there was some stuff.

[00:29:22] Um, I was like, I'm just, I want to Google these.

[00:29:25] Is this a thing?

[00:29:26] There are a couple of things.

[00:29:28] I just thought it was.

[00:29:30] Yeah.

[00:29:31] Actually, Archie got a degree for this comic.

[00:29:34] It's outstanding.

[00:29:35] That's great work.

[00:29:36] Real commitment to the bit.

[00:29:38] Hey, that it's a, it's a real art to throw a couple of things together and make it sound like a thing that exists.

[00:29:44] I really appreciated that.

[00:29:45] Yeah, I have.

[00:29:47] Um, so I'm not, you know, I'm an artist.

[00:29:49] Like I said, I'm not a science person, but I am.

[00:29:53] My older sister is very smart.

[00:29:57] She's the smarty of the family.

[00:29:59] And she has like three separate degrees and a doctorate.

[00:30:02] And she started in science and then went to health and now is a, is a doctor.

[00:30:09] And she married my brother-in-law as an engineer.

[00:30:11] And so when I was working on the script of this comic, I was visiting them and I was telling them about it.

[00:30:17] And I was like, there's a lot of science in it, but it's not real science.

[00:30:20] Um, well you can still, and so we, they were like, Oh, but you can still use like words and terms.

[00:30:28] And so we just sat around a bonfire and they were just like viewing like scientific, technical terms and words at me.

[00:30:38] And like, they were, and I was like, I don't, don't explain what these are, but I was like working on the script.

[00:30:45] I would return to it and be like, Oh, like I would like, you know, shift parts of the words around or use parts, you know, and shuffle it.

[00:30:55] Um, to try and make it sound like something that could potentially actually exist.

[00:31:01] I thought that I thought it was great.

[00:31:02] I loved that added, um, you know, element to it.

[00:31:06] And there's like a certain, you know, a certain fun to it.

[00:31:09] Um, there's a lot of, I mean, there's a lot of serious stuff in this comic.

[00:31:14] When you think about these, you know, we mentioned before the kids are all kind of dealing with some really serious stuff, but there is quite a bit of fun.

[00:31:21] I particularly love the, um, the carousel scene.

[00:31:27] I just thought that was great.

[00:31:30] Um, I like the moments where we kind of see each one of them kind of take on their little role, you know, whether or not it was for the group project for the competition or like for the carousel scene that they all kind of fit into their, their role together.

[00:31:50] I thought it was very, you know, sweet how they all, the four of them interacted with each other.

[00:31:55] Um, and like, I don't, I mean, I, I, I love, I love to laugh, but I find I don't, I don't laugh out loud, you know, too much reading comics.

[00:32:04] But man, when that security guard said, how do I turn this thing off?

[00:32:08] I just thought I lost it.

[00:32:12] I thought that was hilarious.

[00:32:13] Just that like little moment of, I just, there were things like that that I thought were, were so good.

[00:32:19] And I mean, I don't want to give anything away, but the whole wrap up the, the, the conclusion that, that last, I don't know, 30 or 40 pages.

[00:32:28] I thought was wonderful.

[00:32:31] I mean, it was so good.

[00:32:34] And I just really, really enjoyed it.

[00:32:38] I love these kids.

[00:32:40] Yeah.

[00:32:41] I'm happy to hear it.

[00:32:43] I, I mean, I see them like, like get the physical book, you know, like I've been able to see it like digitally, but to see them like, as I can turn the page is like, it's just like so cool.

[00:32:55] It's so cool.

[00:32:56] Yeah.

[00:32:57] I love the title to teleportation and other luxuries.

[00:33:00] It's just, that's a fantastic title.

[00:33:03] I'm a fan.

[00:33:04] That one, right?

[00:33:05] Yes.

[00:33:06] Yeah.

[00:33:07] Like, what are some ideas?

[00:33:08] Like, I like, I like a wordy title as much as the next guy.

[00:33:11] What about this?

[00:33:13] Yeah.

[00:33:13] I, I love wordy titles.

[00:33:15] Um, yeah.

[00:33:16] Yeah.

[00:33:16] I had a short comic that I wrote that was in, um, an anthology that was a bit of like, and

[00:33:22] it was, uh, the unfortunate consequences of being a time traveler.

[00:33:25] And I'm like, honestly, I don't even know if the comic had anything to do with that title, but I really liked it.

[00:33:32] It keeps the curiosity, you know?

[00:33:37] So, so yeah, so we went with it.

[00:33:39] Um, yeah.

[00:33:41] I mean, uh, with the, you know, the whole collaboration of it, like putting like the comic together.

[00:33:48] Um, what was that?

[00:33:51] How was the process in terms of like editorial and like working together?

[00:33:55] I mean, because I would imagine that, you know, Archie, you've probably did the concept and wrote a lot of it and it went through editing.

[00:34:04] Is it difficult with the gap between when you've worked on something and then now that Mary has it and is working on the art and kind of like going back and revisiting?

[00:34:13] Do you enjoy that aspect of it?

[00:34:15] Like both, both of you, that's a question for, you know, either of you can jump in.

[00:34:19] Yeah, I love it.

[00:34:22] I like, it's like so fun once the script is done to kind of like, just like see where the artist takes things.

[00:34:30] Um, and like, you know, Mary's talking about like drawing the lab, the science lab and uh, like thinking back to like me writing the script.

[00:34:41] I'm pretty sure it was like lots of gizmos and gadgets and I, you know, put all I tried to put like, which I don't know if that was annoying or not, but it wasn't like specified, but I do I like.

[00:34:53] I'm working with an artist that I trust and then I've been wanting to work.

[00:34:57] I wanted to work with Mary on something for I think a long time now.

[00:35:01] So, so to be able to do it was just like very, very cool.

[00:35:05] And like, yeah, I, it is cool because it does become something totally different, you know, as the process, as the process continues and it is like seeing something really fresh, you know, from my script to the final product.

[00:35:20] Yep.

[00:35:22] Yeah, Mary, I mean, in terms of like, once you get involved and you're going through, um, I mean, how are you with the, the editing process for comics?

[00:35:34] Um, how am I with the editing process? Like interpreting what Archie has written and then.

[00:35:41] Yeah. And then like, if you have to go back and if things change, um, I mean, are you pretty, I guess the script I was handed was like the, we sort of worked in chunks.

[00:35:51] Um, and say a chunk one, two, and three were written, edited, they're golden, good to go.

[00:35:56] And so at that point I'm just like, thumbnailing out my ideas for what has been written.

[00:36:02] Um, and they're also like, you know, beautifully written.

[00:36:05] So I had ideas like right away and they were very easy to interpret.

[00:36:08] And then we handed it off to like our very lovely editors and they'd be like, this is great.

[00:36:12] Please don't use this kind of imagery or like, don't use this language.

[00:36:15] I think at one point I would have characters say bussing in the background.

[00:36:19] They're like, no, we can't do that.

[00:36:20] I'm like, ah, that's fair. That's fair.

[00:36:24] Um, I don't know. It's kind of nice. Like a working from someone's scripts.

[00:36:28] It lets you just have fun with the art and have a little bit less ego, but where the story is going, I guess.

[00:36:34] Um, and also like having a team there to sort of support what you're drawing and then be like, this is good.

[00:36:41] We think it'd be stronger if this let's give it a go. I'm down.

[00:36:43] Um, yeah, I, I like, I like group projects. I don't know. Um, I like working in a group.

[00:36:51] Um, yeah, it was good. I think like I, we had several like co-editors, but, um, I worked pretty closely with, um, Dane.

[00:37:00] Yeah. Ditto.

[00:37:01] And what would you say?

[00:37:03] Ditto. Same.

[00:37:05] Oh yes. Yeah. And, um, I think that was it working with like such a strong editor.

[00:37:13] Definitely made the script better.

[00:37:17] Um, cause I felt like they got it, you know, like a hundred percent.

[00:37:21] Yeah. They knew what we were trying to do and would like occasionally like come in with like really good ideas.

[00:37:28] And like, even like the responses to the script, like whether something was funny or with like, I feel like there was like definitely a moment where I was like, you know, team swear.

[00:37:40] So I'm just going to talk and like, the aim was just like, no swearing, no more swearing.

[00:37:50] Like made the process like more fun.

[00:37:53] I've worked with like other kinds of editors.

[00:37:57] Um, and some, some can be kind of like hands off, you know, they, they like, you're, you know what you're doing. You're got it. It's all good.

[00:38:03] And that's, that's great. But it does, you know, like you were saying, like a group project, this does feel like a group project because that the editing was like so strong, um, and so smart.

[00:38:16] And I think that did actually like influence like the story in many ways too.

[00:38:22] And also like making a comic can sometimes feel like working in a void, especially for solo.

[00:38:26] So having, you know, um, your editor pop in and it's like, this is really working.

[00:38:32] Keep that up. Or like, try this just ever so silly different or make this panel make sense, please.

[00:38:38] Fair enough. And also, oh sweet.

[00:38:40] I'm not just sort of shooting it off into a black hole and I'll see it in like four months or two years or something, you know, it was great.

[00:38:51] Um, so I, I think RG, you said earlier that, you know, when you were asked about this, your thought was, oh, I don't know. Am I the right person for this?

[00:39:03] Mm hmm.

[00:39:04] Mm hmm.

[00:39:04] Now that, now that it's, you know, on the, on the verge of, of being out, is this, uh, an area, whether or not it's like middle grade or YA or this type of thing, do you feel that you will revisit?

[00:39:18] I think it would be not middle grade. I think it's like, I, I, I think that's like pretty hard. I definitely have a little easier time writing team than people, anyone younger. Um, but I would definitely love to revisit, revisit again. I'd love to work with this team again. Um, it was like, yeah, it's just like really fun.

[00:39:43] Um, to kind of like, yeah, it's just always fun to come up with characters and put them in situations. Like, it's just always a good time. Um, and I, I think it would be fun to write for this, for the, for young adult audience. Um, again, because there's so much that can happen. Um, and I think sometimes.

[00:40:08] It's, you know, the YA is such a huge genre. Um, but I think there's definitely still always room for like more queer characters, more characters going through like interesting, like kind of like working through interesting problems, kind of problem solving, um, like different kinds of dilemmas, you know, like it, especially with comics.

[00:40:33] Um, it is like a, it is like a booming, you know, a big industry, but, or like a big, I don't know, comic, a lot of comic publishers focus on YA.

[00:40:46] But I think especially working with like YA that features like teens and older teens could still, could still be, you know, there's a lot of territory that's like not touched yet.

[00:40:57] Yeah. Got like a lot of wiggle room in here for like different stories, different like creative voices in those stories too.

[00:41:04] Cause you know, like the same, the same writer's not going to write the same care or like different writers, not going to write the same character the same way or draw them the same way.

[00:41:11] It's a lot of fun in YA. It gives you a lot of like playground.

[00:41:15] Yeah.

[00:41:15] To walk around in.

[00:41:16] Or mess around in depending on what the costume requirements are in this podcast that I did not ask before starting.

[00:41:24] You're fine.

[00:41:24] If I think about the two and a ten, I would try to go further.

[00:41:28] Fuck yeah.

[00:41:30] But I understand it's like, you know, you want to stick it in schools, but I'm also like, I really want to write characters that sound their age, you know?

[00:41:39] Yeah.

[00:41:40] Yeah.

[00:41:41] And so it was like fun to kind of like figure out and work around that this time.

[00:41:44] But I do feel like if I were to, you know, when I come back to like writing YA, I think that's something I'd probably like be like.

[00:41:52] Let Archie say fuck in one book, you know?

[00:41:54] Yeah.

[00:41:54] Come on.

[00:41:55] Yeah.

[00:41:55] Come on.

[00:41:56] Come on.

[00:41:56] Just one well-placed one where you least expect it.

[00:41:59] Yeah.

[00:42:00] I feel like, you know, like when I was a teen, I would want to read books where they were talking the way that I talked.

[00:42:09] You know, they spoke the way that I spoke.

[00:42:12] And so sometimes it's like reading a book when I was like younger and they were like, well, fudge that.

[00:42:18] You know, that could be a little bit out of the story.

[00:42:21] Yeah.

[00:42:22] Yeah.

[00:42:23] Like you could just say it.

[00:42:24] I can tell an adult wrote this.

[00:42:27] Yeah.

[00:42:28] Exactly.

[00:42:31] Yeah.

[00:42:32] No, I get that.

[00:42:35] But I do appreciate the other part of it.

[00:42:38] Like we don't want this taken out of like a school or a library.

[00:42:43] Yeah.

[00:42:43] You know?

[00:42:44] Yeah.

[00:42:45] You know, not to take this conversation into a different territory, but especially in today's climate when it's been the past few years particularly difficult.

[00:42:55] It's certain.

[00:42:56] I'm not sure if cuss is the issue, frankly.

[00:43:00] Yeah.

[00:43:01] As someone sort of looking in, I don't think that's the core of the issue, tragically.

[00:43:07] Yeah.

[00:43:07] I don't think it is either.

[00:43:09] Yeah.

[00:43:10] But why give them fuel, right?

[00:43:12] Yes.

[00:43:13] Yeah.

[00:43:14] Yeah.

[00:43:14] It does make sense.

[00:43:16] But because I think it's it is, you know, that I touched on a little bit earlier, but like representation is hugely important.

[00:43:26] You know, especially for kids to get to see somebody who they can connect to, regardless of what that is, whether or not it's race or sexuality or gender identity, like whatever it might be for a kid to say like, oh, this isn't.

[00:43:46] Grandpa said this was weird.

[00:43:47] This is weird.

[00:43:48] This character seems great.

[00:43:51] You know, it absolutely is.

[00:43:55] Archie, I also, you know, I do like a little bit of research before these and, you know, going through some of the stuff.

[00:44:04] I know that it was you and Tristan Jimmerson, if I'm saying that right.

[00:44:10] Yeah.

[00:44:10] A quick and easy guide to they, them pronouns.

[00:44:13] Mm hmm.

[00:44:15] So my my oldest daughter, I have two kids.

[00:44:18] My oldest daughter is 12.

[00:44:20] She she recently turned 12.

[00:44:22] We had people over our house over the weekend.

[00:44:24] Just family.

[00:44:25] Like, you know, pizza and cake and all that good stuff.

[00:44:28] Mm hmm.

[00:44:30] And my mother, who I can tell this story because she doesn't listen to the podcast.

[00:44:35] Unless my brother comes on.

[00:44:37] And she won't she doesn't she doesn't listen to it.

[00:44:40] But like for no reason, like whatsoever, just they just start having a conversation with some of the other adults at the table about, look, I don't mind this.

[00:44:51] But I had this person at work and I mistakenly said this.

[00:44:55] I said she and they jumped down my throat.

[00:44:59] And this and it just I'm like, you guys sound ridiculous.

[00:45:06] There's a book for that.

[00:45:08] Yeah.

[00:45:09] And when I go into the research, I would look, I read it.

[00:45:11] I read the book today, like in between depositions at work.

[00:45:17] I think it's five pages.

[00:45:19] I went through it.

[00:45:20] It's fantastic.

[00:45:21] It's so good.

[00:45:22] And I'm like, I'm going to get this for my mom.

[00:45:24] I'm going to get this for her.

[00:45:25] So she can because this is not that hard.

[00:45:29] And every time.

[00:45:30] I mean.

[00:45:32] Yeah, it's it's it's a necessary.

[00:45:36] It's a it's a necessary book.

[00:45:38] Yeah, I think it is.

[00:45:40] So I loved it.

[00:45:42] It came into my life at the right time.

[00:45:45] Love to hear it.

[00:45:47] Yeah, it was like when Tristan and I were concepting and writing it, we really were like we want a book to kind of like help bridge that gap of understand.

[00:45:56] You know, because I do think like I think if you're like when you're when you get it, you're like it's hard to kind of sometimes conceptualize not getting it.

[00:46:08] But, you know, when we were working on this book, it was like, oh, it's people are trying to like they're changing how they speak.

[00:46:16] They're changing.

[00:46:17] They're kind of like having to adapt and change their language.

[00:46:20] And with that, a way of maybe thinking.

[00:46:23] And so like what is like when we were like thinking about it, we're like, what is an accessible, easy, down to earth way to kind of like explain this concept to someone that also doesn't like punish them for trying and maybe hiccuping sometimes, you know, like.

[00:46:45] Like.

[00:46:47] It happens to everyone, you know, but also.

[00:46:51] It isn't that big of a deal, you know, like a little bit of both.

[00:46:55] They're like, yeah, we try to make this book that's kind of like let's let's try and make a bridge here, you know?

[00:47:01] Yeah.

[00:47:01] Well, I think the comic concept of it works great.

[00:47:07] And one of the things that the sections of it that I really liked when you go through and kind of say like, well, what happens if.

[00:47:22] If someone misgenders you in terms of like the person with you and I think it was like, well, sometimes I want I'm exhausted from constantly doing it.

[00:47:33] So I would like my friend if it's their relative or whatever to stick up for me.

[00:47:39] And then it was sometimes I just just want to hide in the bathroom.

[00:47:43] And I think I think it was Tristan like mom, you know, they use they them pronouns.

[00:47:49] I just thought like there was there was there was just such a like a like a fun human element to it.

[00:47:57] Right.

[00:47:58] Like this isn't this isn't that hard.

[00:48:00] But if you struggle with it, we're just going to let you know that we're people just like everybody else that this is not it's not punishing.

[00:48:08] It's not like a clinical manual.

[00:48:10] Right.

[00:48:10] It's like.

[00:48:10] Right.

[00:48:11] Like experience based.

[00:48:13] And right.

[00:48:15] Yeah.

[00:48:16] I think everybody likes to laugh.

[00:48:17] And if you can teach somebody something while making them laugh, they're going to remember it more.

[00:48:21] Now, I have no scientific data to back that up.

[00:48:25] Sounds right.

[00:48:26] I'd buy that.

[00:48:27] It sounds smart.

[00:48:28] It sounds smart.

[00:48:28] I think I always believe that like information, like, you know, people learn in so many different ways.

[00:48:36] And like people like to digest information in so many different ways.

[00:48:39] So it's like, oh, you're trying to learn about data.

[00:48:42] Some people want a blog post.

[00:48:43] Some people would want like a YouTube video or, you know, a newspaper article or something to like explain it.

[00:48:51] And I was like, some people are going to want a comic, you know, like, yeah, it's like a vital.

[00:48:56] I feel like comics are like a really great tool to like share information because it has like the potential for that humorous kind of like capacity.

[00:49:07] But also, I don't know, there's something about like a cartoon face that is so easy to connect with.

[00:49:15] Yeah, that's true.

[00:49:16] Yeah, that's true.

[00:49:16] It's a great way to share information.

[00:49:18] Some people are going to want a comic is a really good like t-shirt idea.

[00:49:21] Some people are going to want a comic.

[00:49:27] Well, I look, I loved teleportation and other luxury.

[00:49:32] And I'm excited both of you came on the podcast to talk about it.

[00:49:37] It's out November 12th.

[00:49:39] So I think this episode is probably going to come out either right around then or shortly thereafter.

[00:49:45] So you'll be able to get teleportation, other luxuries from Maverick, which is a Mad Cave imprint.

[00:49:50] Is there anything else you have coming out or working on that you want to let listeners know about?

[00:49:56] Not for me, not for like a year.

[00:50:00] So I was going to say not anything that I can talk about right now, tragically.

[00:50:04] Yeah.

[00:50:05] Okay.

[00:50:07] Well, that's fine.

[00:50:08] You're welcome to come back at any time and talk more comics.

[00:50:14] But I just, I absolutely love this story.

[00:50:19] I, I, I think, you know, Tyler, Gabby, Allegra, LJ, just phenomenal characters.

[00:50:26] I loved how they all work together.

[00:50:29] And I, yeah, these, these kids are all right.

[00:50:33] And I, I really enjoy it.

[00:50:36] I think those crazy kids are going to make it.

[00:50:37] I think they are.

[00:50:38] I think they're going to do okay.

[00:50:39] I think they're going to do okay.

[00:50:40] But Archie, Mary, thank you so much for coming on the podcast.

[00:50:43] Thank you so much for having me.

[00:50:45] Out November 12th.

[00:50:48] So listeners, if you, if you pick it up, if you get it, let me know.

[00:50:53] I absolutely loved it as I've, I've said it a number of times and yeah.

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