David Harper talks SKTCHD

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[00:01:12] But listeners welcome again to another episode of Comic Book Yeti's Cryptid Creator Corner

[00:01:20] and I'm here with the man behind sketched.com for anyone who doesn't know as well as one of my favorite podcasts.

[00:01:33] So this is like a real treat off panel.

[00:01:37] Please welcome to the podcast someone who I think is one of the best interviewers, especially the comics podcast

[00:01:44] and so knowledgeable and always always has a lively interesting conversation with every guest he has on his podcast.

[00:01:51] But please welcome to the Cryptid Creator Corner David Harper.

[00:01:56] David, thank you for joining me. Thank you for having me.

[00:02:00] So yeah, I just want to kind of get right into it.

[00:02:03] I think I said this before we started recording.

[00:02:06] I can't imagine anyone who listens to this who is not familiar with like your work and your podcast off panel

[00:02:12] is just one of my favorites. I just I love your interviewing style.

[00:02:17] I love the conversations that you have with the creators that you've had on.

[00:02:22] In preparing for this, I was going back and looking through to see

[00:02:26] so from June 17th of 2015 was the first, I think episode of off panel with Sean Murphy

[00:02:34] to your most recent episode number 441 with Kieran Gillan.

[00:02:40] That is incredible and quite an accomplishment, especially I think not only is it fascinating,

[00:02:48] interesting, great to listen to, perseverance and longevity are kind of like a key factor in this game.

[00:02:55] Oh yeah. I'm coming up next year is actually 10 years for me, which is kind of crazy because

[00:03:01] I had absolutely no idea what I was doing when I started and

[00:03:05] I still mostly have no idea what I'm doing, Jimmy.

[00:03:10] Well, I find that hard to believe having listened to many episodes, but yeah,

[00:03:16] I kind of want to start with the websites that you've been involved in starting with.

[00:03:22] I mean, so in 2009 with, I guess, helping to find multiversity, was that your first foray into comics

[00:03:31] websites? Yeah. So I had previously been writing on a personal blog about comics on occasion and it

[00:03:38] was mostly friends and family reading it. And I quickly came to realize that

[00:03:42] they probably didn't care about comics, which was true, but they love me. So they

[00:03:47] wanted to appease me by paying attention to it. And I was participating in an ongoing thread in a

[00:03:54] forum for a website called Absolute Punk. And this one person, Matthew Milikov, he started

[00:04:01] multiversity comics and he was like, Hey, does anybody want to like write for this site?

[00:04:07] And myself and this he was a part of this thread myself and another person that was in

[00:04:12] the thread Gil Short. We were both like, Yeah, sure, let's do it. And we started doing it and

[00:04:18] we had no idea what we were doing. That was a constant theme. No idea what you're doing. So

[00:04:22] you just have to keep doing it until you learn. And yeah, I was at multiversity for five years.

[00:04:29] And then I left to kind of start sketched. I wasn't really sure what I was going to do,

[00:04:35] but I left to start sketched. And those are the two main sites I've written for. I've also

[00:04:40] written freelance for the ringer and written for Polygon and done some stuff for Publishers Weekly.

[00:04:47] And Skybound had me do some videos for them before where I just basically talked about invincible

[00:04:55] and some other things. But anyways, yeah, so those are the bulk of the places I've written

[00:05:01] and done varying projects for. When you went out to start, you know, sketched and I mean,

[00:05:07] you said, I think it's been, I guess, 10 years with both sketched and off panel or sketched older?

[00:05:15] Nope. Sketch started the exacts. It started like one, I think one or two days before off

[00:05:20] panel officially launched. So yeah, they launched together.

[00:05:25] But was it in terms of like going out and starting sketched and kind of starting your

[00:05:30] own thing and off panel along with it? Was it because you wanted to do more long form

[00:05:37] type of pieces into comics and have more of the control over what you were putting out there?

[00:05:42] I mean, because a lot of sites kind of get into the, I don't want to say clickbait, but there's

[00:05:47] a lot of like banner ads and the stuff that you want to monetize. Like was that a thought

[00:05:52] about that you had in terms of how could I monetize this for me or was it still just

[00:05:59] I just kind of want to do my own thing when you first started it.

[00:06:02] So I didn't monetize sketch at all when I first started the first run of sketch only ran for a

[00:06:07] year and then I stopped doing sketch for like four years and I kept doing three years and then I

[00:06:12] kept doing off panel. I brought sketch back as a subscription site in 2019 because I figured out

[00:06:18] that I do want to monetize it making money off of your work turns out very good thing,

[00:06:22] very inspiring to the your desire to work for work.

[00:06:25] I wouldn't know about that, but it sounds nice.

[00:06:30] When I was at Multiversity, I loved Multiversity. Multiversity was great. We had a great time.

[00:06:34] We were nominated for an Eisner award in 2014, which was really cool for us because we lost

[00:06:39] to like CBR and we were up against them and like the comics journal and stuff like that.

[00:06:43] And we were just a bunch of people goofing off on Google Meet as the Eisner awards were

[00:06:48] going off and we're just like just like a bunch of people who had no idea what we were

[00:06:52] doing but were having a great time. And the thing about it was is over that five-year period,

[00:06:58] and this is just a rough guess, I guess. I would probably say I wrote like 3,500 articles.

[00:07:04] And they were reviews, they were news. I did this daily rundown thing where we would do

[00:07:10] rundown of the news. I was just doing an unbelievable amount of stuff.

[00:07:15] And the things I enjoyed the most were big interviews and long form articles. And

[00:07:21] I really wanted to focus on that. But a lot of sites hang their hat on news reviews previews.

[00:07:28] That's kind of like the foundation of most sites. And I just wasn't interested in doing that.

[00:07:32] I'm like, I have written enough reviews of The Walking Dead TV Show for a lifetime. I'm done

[00:07:37] with this. And so I was like, I'm going to do sketch. I'm going to do my own thing.

[00:07:41] And so I went off. I knew I want to do a podcast. I had the title first. I was like,

[00:07:45] I like off panel. That's a good title. And so the good thing about having done Multiversity before

[00:07:52] is I had a lot of relationships. So I was able to start my podcast with like, I think Sean Murphy

[00:07:58] and Declan Chauvi and Oliver Sava and John Layman were my first guests. And so I knew people

[00:08:04] to come on the show. And yeah, so it was... I really learned what I like to do and what

[00:08:12] I don't like to do and also what a site I might do would look like by doing Multiversity stuff first.

[00:08:20] And to be honest, it was like Matthew and Brian Salvatore were always much bigger leads

[00:08:26] at Multiversity. I was just a guy who wrote stuff and caused problems. And anyways, but yes.

[00:08:32] And then Sketch became what it was. And I had a great time with it. And I got burned out and

[00:08:37] then came back and launched it as a subscription site inspired by the... I don't know if you're a

[00:08:43] sports fan, but I was inspired by the Athletic, the once independent app that was all about sports

[00:08:50] and also this basketball site called Cleaning the Glass. And so I built it off that and yada,

[00:08:56] yada, yada. Here I am. Well, yeah. And I mean, it seems to be... Well, at least I hope it's

[00:09:03] successful for you. It seems like you have a great reputation in terms of the comics

[00:09:07] community. I put out phenomenal articles. I mean, for listeners who aren't familiar,

[00:09:12] some of your recent ones, I really like the kind of deep dive you did with comic book retailers.

[00:09:18] Oh yeah.

[00:09:19] Kind of like doing a state of the direct market or state of the stores.

[00:09:26] You have pieces like that in terms of the industry but also deep dives into comics. And

[00:09:33] you still do your kind of weekly rundowns in terms of the pull list and what's out there.

[00:09:41] When you think about the types of work you have enjoyed doing with a deep dive into

[00:09:47] certain comic or series, what is it that really draws you in? How do you come up with what

[00:09:54] your articles are going to be or what really interests you in terms of long form articles

[00:10:00] with comic series?

[00:10:02] I mean, I think it comes down to a word I said maybe before we were officially recording curiosity.

[00:10:09] What is interesting enough for me to put in a lot of research to do? My most popular

[00:10:14] article from last year was I did a piece about the Pizza Hut and Marvel collaboration

[00:10:24] with the X-Men where they had cups and they had placemats and they had pizza boxes that had

[00:10:31] X-Men stuff on there. And I wanted to find out how that came to be. It was completely by accident

[00:10:38] that it was actually the 30th anniversary of that last year. I had no idea when I started

[00:10:42] it. I was just talking to people and I was like, wait a second let's start in 1993.

[00:10:46] It's 2023. Oh my god. And so it was just like I remembered that. I remembered how important

[00:10:52] that was to me. I had talked to people like Russell Dauterman and been inspired by a book that

[00:10:58] Azine, that Rico Renzi, the colorist did, that had that old ad in there. And I just realized I was

[00:11:05] like, I'd like to tell that story. That would be really interesting to do. And thankfully,

[00:11:12] by pure happenstance, I found out who did it. I think through the artist Scott Koblish.

[00:11:17] And next thing you know, I was writing that piece and it ended up being one of my favorite

[00:11:20] things I've done. And it was shared like hundreds and hundreds of times on social media.

[00:11:26] I got an email from the people who created the original X-Men animated series,

[00:11:30] tell me how much they love the article. And it was just like, yeah, it was just like super

[00:11:34] random. I was just like, this is so weird. And the funny thing is, is like,

[00:11:40] the guiding principle I have for the site is I have to be interested in it. I can't

[00:11:46] just do it because I think traffic might drive me or be driven by this, or I can't do this because

[00:11:52] I think subscribers might sign up because of it. I have to do it because I'm actually passionate

[00:11:56] about it because I'm pretty sure people could tell if I was phony then I'm very bad at faking things.

[00:12:02] And so whether I'm doing that or like last year, I also did kind of a retrospective on the

[00:12:07] America's Best Comic top 10 that Alan Moore and Gene Haan, Xander, Canada,

[00:12:12] I talked to Gene Haan and Xander Cannon for that, dug into the history of that,

[00:12:16] had long interviews with both of them and then turned it to this giant like 7000 word article.

[00:12:21] And it's like, I love that comic. And I've always been fascinated by it because it's

[00:12:27] like a procedural TV show in comic form that was written by Alan Moore. So it just seems kind

[00:12:32] of weird. And I just followed my curiosity and that one was also a really big success.

[00:12:38] Both of those are actually, I do a print annual each year, both of those are going to be

[00:12:42] in my next print annual sketchbook 2023 that'll be I think selling next month. And

[00:12:48] it's just, it's really fun trying to find answers to questions I have in my head by talking to people.

[00:12:54] Yeah. And I mean, I think there aren't many more and maybe I don't know, maybe they're

[00:13:00] never were but I don't, I feel like there aren't many more sites doing that. I mean,

[00:13:05] that's one of the things I really like about your podcast but also the work you do with

[00:13:10] sketched is that there just aren't, I don't know. At least in comics it doesn't seem like,

[00:13:17] as sites get consolidated or they get bought by bigger media companies, it doesn't seem like

[00:13:26] folks are really taking the time to do something like that. I mean, you would find something

[00:13:30] like that like panel by panel but even they're kind of, I don't know if they're done or on

[00:13:35] hiatus now. But yeah, combination of both. But yeah, but they would have that sometimes but you know,

[00:13:46] that doesn't seem to be too prevalent anymore. Well, I mean, I think the tough thing is in

[00:13:52] the comic space there's not a lot of money in there. I mean, to be honest, it's like

[00:13:56] today like they, there is the whole thing that I don't know if you follow like gaming news,

[00:14:00] but Kotaku, a prominent gaming site like the they revealed that they were shifting away from

[00:14:07] like their normal foundation to basically just doing game guides and they let go of their editor

[00:14:12] in chief and it's just like a complete mess. And like there's I mean, Sports Illustrated went

[00:14:16] away basically this year, Vice is going away. There's all these different things. It's hard

[00:14:20] for like big, big, big, big names to make this stuff work anymore. And for your average

[00:14:26] comic site, it's even more difficult because there's just not a lot of money into it. And so

[00:14:32] I mean, I think that's part of the reason like when I was putting my stuff together,

[00:14:36] my big inspiration was, did you go to the website Grantland?

[00:14:42] No, I don't think so. Grantland was a site started by Bill Simmons that was a spin-off

[00:14:45] of the ringer or not the ringer of ESPN. And it featured a lot of people like Jason

[00:14:51] Concepcion and Chase Serrano. And oh my god, Zach Lowe, who's my favorite like writer about

[00:14:58] anything, all these different people that just did amazing work highlighting all kinds of different

[00:15:05] stuff. It was prominent most predominantly a sports site, but there's also movies and food

[00:15:09] and you know, travel and all kinds of stuff. It was like anything you could possibly think

[00:15:14] of is all the pieces were basically just about like what is interesting. And it was an amazing

[00:15:20] site. And that was kind of my goal is just to not just focus on the things that I have to do,

[00:15:26] but try to focus on what I think people what I'm interested in and what I think people might be

[00:15:33] interested in because like this week I had my feature piece this week was super random.

[00:15:38] I was thinking about just how doing the podcast and doing the site has changed how I read

[00:15:44] comics partially because I have not really read comics consistently for the last three months

[00:15:50] because I was super burned out preparing for my sketch awards like the end of the year stuff.

[00:15:54] I'd read so many comics, I was just like, I need to read like books for a while. And I've been

[00:15:59] reading a bunch of books. And I was just like, I wonder what happens to creators when they

[00:16:03] make comics and like, how does that change how they engage with medium? So I interviewed a

[00:16:07] bunch of creators and asked them that question. And people like Kieran Gillin and Kelly

[00:16:11] Thompson and John Allison and Faith Aaron Hicks like shared their answer. And it was super interesting

[00:16:17] and it like led to a lot of interesting conversations with people and also it being

[00:16:21] shared on social media. And I don't think I'd ever seen that type of article before,

[00:16:25] but it was just because it was something interested me. And it turns out that others

[00:16:29] were interested too. Yeah, I find that fascinating. I think I looked at that.

[00:16:36] Yeah, because Caitlin Yarski, I think you had interviewed.

[00:16:39] Eklund Shalvy.

[00:16:40] Yeah, yeah. And it is interesting. That's come up a couple of times in terms of interviewing

[00:16:47] the podcast like, oh, you're a big fan of comics and now you're making comics. Do you

[00:16:50] read them anymore? And a lot of folks are like, yeah, no, no, we haven't really had a time.

[00:16:56] I mean, it could become homework, right?

[00:16:57] Yeah. I think that's what Caitlin Yarski said whenever she looks at comics now.

[00:17:02] She doesn't really read them for fun, I think, because it feels like work or it

[00:17:05] feels like she might still look at them for reference, but I'm sure a lot of creators

[00:17:10] kind of feel that way. Yeah.

[00:17:14] But yeah, I find that stuff interesting and that's what I really like about it.

[00:17:22] So in terms of your podcast and the different guests you've had on and kind of

[00:17:30] fostering an environment for really good conversations and kind of digging into somebody's

[00:17:36] work, like how much preparation and time do you put into getting ready for your interviews?

[00:17:43] It depends on the person. But like, for example, I had Kieran Gillin on the podcast

[00:17:49] this, he was the most recent episode that went up. And that one, Kieran and I had

[00:17:53] been talking about it in February, I want to say or like late January. And we were

[00:18:00] talking about doing a completely different article. I was going to do an article, not a podcast.

[00:18:04] So I was going to do this thing that I call the comics that made them where I talked to creators

[00:18:08] about five comics that were really inspirational and influential to them growing up that kind of

[00:18:14] fueled their love and like the type of creator that they ended up becoming. And we shifted

[00:18:19] it to a podcast because the power fantasy was coming and because it was like the end of

[00:18:23] his Marvel run and it just kind of made sense to do it that way. And so for that one,

[00:18:29] I really the only normally what I'll do is I'll read a lot of interviews. And I often say

[00:18:35] what I read the interviews for is partially to find out what people like talking about,

[00:18:41] but also partially to find out what they don't like talking about. For Kieran,

[00:18:45] I didn't really read that many because I've talked to Kieran a number of times.

[00:18:48] And there was only really one interview about the power fantasy out there,

[00:18:50] which was with hard drive. I read that one, that was really long. That was really good,

[00:18:53] though. And so really what I just started doing is I just started jotting down ideas,

[00:18:59] like I'll create a Word document that has like a bunch of topics and then I'll expand on them.

[00:19:04] And kind of I like setting up structures. So it like kind of creates a narrative flow.

[00:19:09] So like I'll do like an for him, I did like intro, end of Marvel, the power fantasy,

[00:19:14] and then like this moment in time, which is just kind of like a thing about like

[00:19:18] where comics are right now. And of course, pretty much as soon as I started,

[00:19:22] I abandoned that structure because that's just how conversations work.

[00:19:25] But I mean, you know this is like how you do the thing too. It's like,

[00:19:29] you start with a structure. I like let's say I put in like four hours prep,

[00:19:33] I put in four hours prep, I thought this is what it's going to be. And then seven minutes later,

[00:19:39] I'm talking to Kieran about his dreams. And I did not have that on my list, Jimmy.

[00:19:43] That is not something I prepared to talk to Kieran Gillon about. It's like,

[00:19:47] what are you dreaming about lately, Kieran? Is it gambit? No. So, you know,

[00:19:52] it's like you just got to roll with it, right? Yeah, I know. I mean,

[00:19:56] I do the same thing in my work. Like we talked about handling a deposition,

[00:20:02] but I make a deposition outline and I would say, you know, eight questions in if the person

[00:20:07] I'm deposing says something, my outlines totally abandoned and I'm just off asking questions.

[00:20:16] And so I usually do the same thing. I create like an outline of topics to hit, you know,

[00:20:22] and then go from there. So I get it, but your conversations do have a great flow to them. So

[00:20:30] it kind of makes sense. But I was just, you know, because you have a day job, right? I mean,

[00:20:37] you have something you go to every day. Yeah. Yeah. Can I tell a quick story about my

[00:20:43] favorite example from the podcast history is to like just like the strange depths

[00:20:48] doing a purely conversational podcast takes you to? Yeah, please. I've had Becky Clooney on the

[00:20:54] podcast once. I've told this story way too many times, but in the first volume or the first

[00:20:59] collection of her short stories called By Chance or Providence, she had two dedications in it.

[00:21:07] One was to Madeleine Pryor. It wasn't actually named to Madeleine Pryor. It's just to Madeleine.

[00:21:12] And then the other one was to Guy Davis. And it was like this beautiful poetic thing

[00:21:17] to like Madeleine Pryor that was just like, this is so moving. And then the next one

[00:21:22] was her thinking Guy Davis for a Toaster Oven. And so I asked her about it and we just talked

[00:21:29] about Toaster Ovens for like 10 minutes. And like it resulted in the listeners of the podcast

[00:21:34] sending, and I talked about how I love making tuna melts with my Toaster Oven. And it led

[00:21:38] to like probably like five or six people sending me pictures of tuna melts that they made in a Toaster

[00:21:45] Oven, which was hilarious. That's amazing. Yeah, yeah. So who knows what people are going to

[00:21:51] connect with? Sometimes it's tuna melts, sometimes it's the X-Men. I don't even know.

[00:21:56] Yeah, I have no idea. I mean, I just do this because I like it. You know, that's it.

[00:22:00] And I don't know. Byron tells me if people are listening and that makes me happy, I guess,

[00:22:06] but I just, I just like comics. And Byron, you know, he was like, I was doing some written

[00:22:13] interviews and Byron said, you want to do a podcast? I'm like, everyone has a podcast.

[00:22:18] He's like, no, it'll be fine. But I do enjoy talking to people about comics. So that's

[00:22:22] I mean, that's the heart of it. That's the heart of it, right? I'm doing an article

[00:22:26] right now for sketched where it's about comics and podcasting and the marriage between that.

[00:22:31] And I think one of the things that's interesting is while there's all these different reasons why

[00:22:38] you could or should be doing a podcast or whatever, ultimately it comes down to you enjoy what you do.

[00:22:44] And if you get joy out of it, why not? Yeah, I agree. That's why I do it and why

[00:22:52] the ones I listen to, I only I listen to a bunch of different podcasts all over the place.

[00:22:58] But in terms of comics, yeah, I mean, I listened to John Suntress and Word Balloon and I listened

[00:23:04] to yours and I listened to comic books, couples counseling. They're probably my three, you know,

[00:23:11] that we'll go back to because I feel like they all three you and Brad, Lisa and John all bring

[00:23:19] something kind of different to it. And I really interesting interviews. And yeah, that's

[00:23:24] what I like, you know. Yeah, good. All right, let's take a quick break.

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[00:24:26] Let's get back to the show. Back to you and in terms of the wonderful things that you have done

[00:24:32] and the things that you are interested in, kind of curious to what first kind of endeared you

[00:24:42] to comics? Like, were you like a lifelong fan that wanted to write about them? Did you ever go

[00:24:49] my kind of pattern? I went away for a while. I liked them as a kid and, you know,

[00:24:53] I was in school and even law school and it wasn't so much later. I kind of got back into them and

[00:24:57] then played catch up like went and bought the DC crisis event comics, you know, and

[00:25:04] kind of got caught up around 20 between 2008 and 2010. But how about you?

[00:25:09] That was a good time to catch back up. I was the first comic that made me fall in love

[00:25:15] with comics was the Transformers number 41, the Marvel series from the 80s. It's very specifically

[00:25:20] seared into my brain because it was I loved it because it had a lot of Autobots and Decepticons

[00:25:26] on the moon fighting. And I was really into that. And then also there was like a guessing game

[00:25:31] in the back where you could guess their names. And I was like, I was also into that. And

[00:25:36] it was just like, it kind of made me realize what comics were capable of. I think that's kind

[00:25:41] of how I feel about it. Like, I didn't feel about that in a moment. I was just like, Oh my God,

[00:25:44] so many Transformers on the page right now. It was so cool. I was already reading them,

[00:25:48] but it was the one that really like kind of sealed the deal for me. But yeah, so I read

[00:25:54] pretty consistently until about 2000. And then I finished, I stopped reading and I was like

[00:26:00] going through the ending of high school and getting into college. And then one summer,

[00:26:05] my mom, this is sounds like a very dramatic story. It's not as dramatic as it sounds like

[00:26:10] my mom told me that the one thing she'd ever been ashamed of me of is that I gave up reading

[00:26:14] comics because I loved it so much. And she thought I did it for the wrong reasons,

[00:26:18] basically like social pressures. She wasn't wrong. And she told me that if I was interested,

[00:26:23] she would buy me like a comic and I could see if I still loved it. And so we went to the

[00:26:28] comic shop and told my story to one of the employees. And the guy was like, well,

[00:26:35] what did you love then? I told him, I was like, well, the last comic I loved that I really read

[00:26:38] was really loved that I read was preacher. I quit as soon as I finished reading preacher.

[00:26:44] I was like, I'm done. Not going to not going to top this still mostly hasn't.

[00:26:48] And the guy was like heard my story. I told him other things I liked. And he gave me

[00:26:54] the first trade of something that just come out. Why the last man? And so actually,

[00:27:00] I have a framed sketch of York and Ampersand along with a letter from Piagra that I had

[00:27:05] written her a letter saying about how Brian and her work got me back into comics and that they

[00:27:12] owed me like $25,000 because so much money is spent on comics. And she thought it's hilarious.

[00:27:19] And I also told Brian that story and he thought it was hilarious. But it's that was the one that

[00:27:25] got me back into it. It was that and the walking dead and fables that were really the ones that

[00:27:29] got me back into comics full time. And then I've just been growing and growing ever since.

[00:27:34] And but anyways, it's it's interesting because I never really thought about writing them

[00:27:39] until I just kind of started. It wasn't like I didn't have grand plans on doing it. I loved

[00:27:43] Wizard Magazine growing up. That was like my jam wizard. I actually liked more than I liked

[00:27:47] most comics. And I probably still like Wizard more than I like most comics. But it's just I never

[00:27:55] was reading this. I was like, you know what? I really wish I was doing more of the month. No.

[00:28:01] But yeah, it's it's just it was a thing that just kind of happened that kind of just keeps

[00:28:07] happening. And I have not objected to it too profusely yet, but TBD.

[00:28:16] Have you found since you got back into comics, since why the last man, you know,

[00:28:20] the past 20 years of your taste changed? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean,

[00:28:25] I used to think that the world was superhero comics in vertigo. That was it. And then

[00:28:33] bringing my mom back in the story, she bought me blankets by Craig Thompson for Christmas one year.

[00:28:38] And that was like right after it came out. And she was at I think either Borders or Barnes & Noble

[00:28:43] and the person that was working there, she was just like, are there any good comics? And she's

[00:28:46] like, you got to check this out. And I got it. And I fell in love. And then I started like

[00:28:51] kind of exploring more. And like, it's interesting to see how my lists for like in the year

[00:28:57] list have evolved since I first started kind of doing all this. Like last year, not, okay,

[00:29:05] not 2023 2022, like seven of my top 10 were like autobiocomics. And I would not have expected that.

[00:29:15] But there you go. And then last year, most of I think I had something like 14 different

[00:29:21] publishers involved or something like that in my top 25. And it's just there's two things that

[00:29:28] happened. One, I've grown and I've changed. And I've aged and what I'm interested in has shifted.

[00:29:35] But also comics has shifted when I got back into comics, it was like 2003. And so from there,

[00:29:41] scholastic graphics and per second were created the book market really evolved.

[00:29:47] What could be published in comics expanded dramatically, Kickstarter hit webtoon hit,

[00:29:52] etc. etc. So the world of comics grew dramatically. And so not only did my interest grow, but also

[00:30:02] my opportunities grew. And I think that was a perfect combination.

[00:30:06] Yeah, I mean, when I started when I got back into comics, it was because I was at like,

[00:30:11] a wizard world. One of those conventions in Philly, and there was a bunch of that's where I'm

[00:30:17] based on in Delaware now. But wizard was really is supposed to be it used to be a really big

[00:30:23] con too, I think, right? Yeah, I mean, it had a lot of like, you know, TV and some movie people,

[00:30:29] but usually got a good number of, you know, comic creators. And but I think one of the

[00:30:34] first years I went, there was a ton of stuff for Blackest Night. And I had didn't have no

[00:30:38] idea what it you know, what it was. I hadn't really read comics in a long time. And I'm like,

[00:30:42] well, that seems neat. I was like Green Lantern. So I got like the hardcover editions of like Blackest

[00:30:48] Night. And then I was like, but I had to I had no idea who anybody was like, I'm like,

[00:30:53] I'm going through them like I need, I need the old D I need to dig out my old DC who's who.

[00:31:01] You're drinking through a fire hose of insanity with Blackest Night is your first

[00:31:05] come a comic or comeback. The first single issue that got me back in the one that got me back

[00:31:09] into single issues was I was following along with Infinite Crisis. And don't tell anyone,

[00:31:17] I may have illegally downloaded the first three issues back in the day. And I was like, you know

[00:31:23] what? I need this fourth issue because apparently Superboy Prime goes off in this issue and like

[00:31:29] just mows through everyone. And I need to read this. And my comic shop, the comic shop that

[00:31:33] was in my I went to school at University of Idaho in Moscow, Moscow, Idaho. The comic shop, Safari

[00:31:39] Pearl, great shop did not have any copies of Infinite Crisis number four for me to buy. So I

[00:31:44] convinced I bribed my friend who lived in Spokane, Washington to drive 90 miles to give me a copy

[00:31:52] of Infinite Crisis number four. We guys were in college, I bribed him with alcohol and like

[00:31:57] the boterie, but at the same time, you know, I got my copy of Infinite Crisis number four.

[00:32:01] And so that was the first single issue that got me back in. There's something about

[00:32:05] event comics when they're done well that just drive curiosity, even though they're insane

[00:32:11] and horrible for newcomers, you just want to know what's going on.

[00:32:16] Yeah. I just liked all the like all the different, you know, because I haven't been away from

[00:32:22] from comics for a while, any type of comic really. And then, you know, I just thought all the

[00:32:27] promo stuff looked cool. Like, oh, there's all these different lanterns. That seems neat.

[00:32:30] And, you know, it's like, oh, I'm yeah, sure. I'll get it and I'll read it. Then I was going

[00:32:34] through it and I'm like, well, I know who most of the big folks are in terms of the comics and,

[00:32:39] you know, Hal and Barry and all that stuff. Like what the hell is Larvfleet's guy's deal?

[00:32:44] Yeah. You know, so then after I read that, I was like, all right, well,

[00:32:48] guess I got to go back and read Crisis on Infinite Earths and Infinite Crisis and Final

[00:32:53] Crisis and everything else. And then I just then I was like back in and then like the

[00:32:58] New 52 hit and I was like, all right, well, I'm reading a lot of DC comics now.

[00:33:04] There you go. There you go. I read every single first issue for New 52. And that was an experience.

[00:33:12] Yeah, I bet. I really liked the New 52. I liked a lot of it.

[00:33:16] Sure. Yeah. There's some good stuff. There was some bad stuff too. But

[00:33:20] yeah, 52 comics, odds are a few of them are not going to work.

[00:33:24] I think the thing I most did not like about the New 52 was I read the, I guess the comic after

[00:33:32] Brightest Day right before they relaunched The Flash that they had. There was like a

[00:33:37] short flash run, which was really good about Barry being back and trying to deal with like

[00:33:42] his family. The Flash Rebirth?

[00:33:45] I think it was now I think it was, I don't know if it was Rebirth. I think it was

[00:33:49] after Rebirth and after Brightest Day, it was like a 12 issue where Barry was back and trying

[00:33:56] to deal with the fact that he'd been gone for so long and reintegrating with his family.

[00:34:01] And I thought that was really interesting before they rebooted everything. But yeah,

[00:34:08] it was a fun time to get back into comics. But then when I found like Comic Book Yeti

[00:34:13] who covered indie comics, I didn't really know what that was. And now I've,

[00:34:17] you know, in the past two, three years I've backed a bunch of stuff on Kickstarter and

[00:34:22] read a bunch of indie comics. And you know, it's been, it's been a ride.

[00:34:26] You're in it?

[00:34:26] Yeah.

[00:34:27] Deep. Deep in it.

[00:34:31] You know, well, what about interest outside of comics?

[00:34:34] Oh boy.

[00:34:34] You know, you seem to be a big into sports, into basketball from what I can see.

[00:34:41] I am into, I mean that's my secret is like I really, I am an enthusiast of all things.

[00:34:46] But yeah, basketball. I'm a huge NBA fan. I'm a giant Indiana Pacers fan.

[00:34:52] I'm really big into, I mean, I love baseball. I'm also very big into fantasy baseball.

[00:34:57] That's like, I would say my two greatest strengths in the world are I'm very good

[00:35:02] at fantasy baseball and I'm very good at shuffleboard. So yeah, if you think I'm

[00:35:07] going to podcasting wait until it's midnight and we're drinking gin and tonics,

[00:35:11] I'm playing shuffleboard with you because you're toast.

[00:35:13] Anyways, but yeah. So yeah, I mean, I kind of, I'm just an enthusiast of things.

[00:35:20] Like I have rediscovered my love of video games. I just played Death Stranding,

[00:35:24] the Hideo Kojima game and I'm like still kind of obsessed with that game despite the fact that

[00:35:29] I beat it already. And now I'm just like idly building roads and delivering packages in that

[00:35:35] game. I don't know. I mean, the funny thing is, is like I have a friend who doesn't like

[00:35:42] have hobbies, which is a weird thing to say, but it kind of is true. It's just like he

[00:35:46] doesn't really have those things for himself. I am the opposite. I'm like larvelies,

[00:35:52] the orange lantern who like wants everything to be his but with hobbies.

[00:35:56] And like, I like, for example, I'm a big runner. I've like constantly enforcing myself

[00:36:01] to get better at running. And like today I had a very good run and I felt very proud of myself.

[00:36:06] So I just, I love stuff, man. I love doing things. Give me time and give me money and

[00:36:13] I will do all the things. Nice. In terms of sports, is there like, what is, because you're

[00:36:19] based in Alaska, right? Yeah. What is like the, you know, in terms of like live sports,

[00:36:24] because you don't, you guys, you don't have any professional teams, right? Like,

[00:36:29] is there anything like, like minor league, like anything you get to go to?

[00:36:33] There's like, there are like kind of weird. I don't even, a minor league is generous,

[00:36:40] like hockey stuff. And then in the summer, there's like summer league baseball, where

[00:36:44] like college players come up here and they'll play. And like historically we've had some

[00:36:48] great players like Mark McGuire came up here, Barry Bonds, a bunch of different people.

[00:36:52] Aaron Judge was here. I don't know if you know who Aaron Judge is. Giant,

[00:36:56] New York, Yankee man. So we've had a like a lot of players come through here.

[00:37:02] But in terms of sports, it's not, not exactly metropolis for live sports viewing. I will fly down

[00:37:10] on occasion to go watch my, the Indian Pacers play like for my birthday this year,

[00:37:15] I went and watched the Pacers play the Trailblazers. And my big, I turned 40,

[00:37:22] my big gift to myself was, and my family contributed and my wife's family contributed.

[00:37:27] We had courtside seats and it was, it was mind blowing. It was so crazy. So basically

[00:37:33] my thing is, is like if I ever wanted to see good live music or if I want to go see live sports,

[00:37:38] I have to fly somewhere first.

[00:37:42] So in terms of good live music, is that one of your other hobbies?

[00:37:46] It was, I mean, for a long time it was, I used to be obsessed with it. I would fly a

[00:37:49] different place every single year for a different music festival. Like, I don't know,

[00:37:55] like I have a poster for Bumbershoot, which is music festival that used to exist in Seattle.

[00:38:00] I would go to Sasquatch and went to Coachella. I went to this other one that is in Barcelona

[00:38:04] called Primavera Sound that was amazing. Although one thing that's important to know

[00:38:08] is if you ever decide you want to go to a music festival in Spain,

[00:38:11] you need to realize that people in Spain do things much differently. And like the first

[00:38:15] sets started like eight o'clock at night and the final sets finish at like eight o'clock in the

[00:38:20] morning. So prepare to be wrecked from a sleep standpoint. I was like, you know what? I'm going

[00:38:26] to go and I'm going to go to this entire festival and then I'm going to go during the day

[00:38:30] and I'm going to be a tourist. And then I was like, when am I going to sleep?

[00:38:33] The answer is I didn't for like four consecutive days.

[00:38:38] I'm not familiar with the festival. So what type of music is this?

[00:38:41] Primavera Sound is like a little bit of everything. It was, it's kind of focused on like

[00:38:48] indie stuff. So like the big names there that year were like, hope actually reunited for it.

[00:38:54] Animal Collective was there. The Flaming Lips, Sufjan Stevens, God Who Else.

[00:39:00] Big Boy was there from Outcast. He was amazing. God, I'm trying to think of Who Else.

[00:39:06] There was like a ton of like smaller bands or smaller bands at the time. Like I really

[00:39:10] enjoyed watching Caribou. One of my favorite things though was I actually, they closed down one

[00:39:15] of the sets because I don't know if you follow soccer at all, but the Champions League final

[00:39:19] was taking place between Manchester United and Barcelona that same night. And they closed down

[00:39:26] one, it was taking place in I think London actually. And they closed one of the stages

[00:39:35] and they showed the match on a giant screen for one of the screens or on one of the stages.

[00:39:42] And I watched that with two Arsenal fans and needless to say a lot of fans of Barcelona because

[00:39:48] we were in Barcelona. And it was like the most euphoric experience watching these people lose

[00:39:53] their minds when their team won the Champions League. So bringing it full circle,

[00:39:58] one of my favorite experiences from a music festival was actually watching sports at a music

[00:40:01] festival. That's amazing though. That's great though. Yeah, I love that. I think I was,

[00:40:11] I am pretty sure this was you because you turned 40 in January, right? Yeah. I think you had a picture

[00:40:18] of and a post on Twitter about eating too much food and you had what looked like some delicious

[00:40:24] pancakes. And if I remember correctly, it looked like some type of maybe chicken fried steak or

[00:40:29] fried chicken and two eggs. It was chicken fried chicken. Yeah. Two eggs over and I'm like, man,

[00:40:35] that David's living. That was so my real dream job is I want to be a travel food,

[00:40:40] like not critic. I just want to be a travel food enthusiast. I just want to talk about food

[00:40:44] while traveling. If you need a sidekick? Yeah. I'm throwing my hat in the ring.

[00:40:51] Jimmy and David hitting the road going reality show where we're just eating in

[00:40:56] random places. I mean, that would be amazing. Yeah. So we went during this, we went to Portland

[00:41:01] and of course we go to Portland right as they have a crazy ice storm and everything is shut down

[00:41:08] besides this place called Grits and Gravy that was like a block and a half from our hotel.

[00:41:12] The most treacherous a block and a half you could ever take in any city or it was just insane.

[00:41:19] And we're walking in the streets to get there because the sidewalks are so iced up

[00:41:24] and we get there and the place was amazing. I had like a chicken fried chicken and the best pancakes

[00:41:31] and just an eggs and then like we ended up going back there again and I couldn't do the

[00:41:36] chicken fried chicken again because it was like murderously and actually here's the secret.

[00:41:40] There was two chicken fried chickens. Dark times my insides but I enjoyed the experience.

[00:41:48] Sorry. Now I'm just rambling about food. I love it.

[00:41:52] Yeah, that's the other thing that I would do. I just got back from Ireland last week.

[00:41:58] Yeah. How was it?

[00:41:59] It was phenomenal. I went with my brother Bobby. I shout out Bobby on every podcast.

[00:42:04] He's the Crypto Creator Corners number one most dedicated listener. Bobby

[00:42:07] listens to all my episodes but we had talked about going to Ireland for years together.

[00:42:13] Our families graciously allowed us to go for my 45th.

[00:42:18] And so we went for a week in Ireland and yeah, loved it.

[00:42:23] Where'd you go?

[00:42:25] We went all around the... We went all around. We were in Dublin for two nights,

[00:42:33] Wexford, Kinsale, Dingle, Galway and Limerick and then flew home. So we really packed a lot

[00:42:42] into a week and I had interviewed Gary Maloney on the podcast who's an Irish writer.

[00:42:49] And when I was talking to him, I mentioned I was going to be in Ireland. He goes,

[00:42:52] Oh, that's Dublin Comic Con. So Bobby and I that first Saturday went to Dublin Comic Con

[00:42:56] so which is kind of a neat experience to go to a Comic Con in another country.

[00:43:07] I think the food scene years ago in Ireland used to get a bad wrap but now it's amazing

[00:43:10] with like phenomenal pubs and restaurants and Michelin starred places.

[00:43:15] And our first pub we went to to have a pint, they stopped serving food but there was

[00:43:20] like a little coffee shop around the corner and we went. It looked like a husband and wife ran it.

[00:43:25] They had coffee and pastries and then they made like full dinners. We had chicken covered in

[00:43:31] gravy and all kinds of vegetables and potatoes and it was just... We had Guinness Lamb Stew

[00:43:39] for a week and Secret Pie. We're on our way to having our reality show right here which is basically

[00:43:45] sketching it out. Fun fact for you, the only live version of Off Panel I've ever done was

[00:43:51] in Big Bang Comics in Dublin. My wife and I took a big trip in the UK and Ireland where we were

[00:43:57] there from the split between those two places for a month and I did a live podcast where

[00:44:03] I had John Hendrick and Bruno Bautista, the owners of Big Bang Comics and Declan Shavi and Stephen Mooney

[00:44:10] as the guests for the episode. And we had a live audience. Gary was there. Gary was in the audience.

[00:44:15] Gary's great. And yeah, it was... What a great country, Phil. I always say that like the reason

[00:44:23] why Off Panel is popular is because I have the support of the entirety of the country of Ireland

[00:44:27] supporting me. That's phenomenal. And I believe because you mentioned their names,

[00:44:32] my brother's going to be mad when he listens to this episode. So we went out to dinner with Paul

[00:44:40] Carroll from Limit Break Comics, Paul's brother Connor, James, Kilian, Killiam and

[00:44:48] Seamus. I can't remember Seamus's last name. I think it's Cavanaugh. So we went out to dinner.

[00:44:53] We went out to dinner afterwards and then we went to a pub and we were supposed to meet some of

[00:44:59] pros and other creators that were at the Comic Con later. And so we're sitting down in one part of

[00:45:04] this pub and Stephen Mooney comes in and sits down and Declan Shavi comes in shortly there after

[00:45:12] and my brother and I had been at the convention and we talked to a few people there. Bobby brought

[00:45:16] some stuff to get signed because we knew who was going to be there. But Declan Shavi comes in

[00:45:22] and my brother swears he didn't even realize it, that it was just the timing of it. But Declan comes

[00:45:29] in and sits down next to my brother and my brother goes, oh wow! And Stephen Mooney goes, I didn't

[00:45:34] get in a wow! And my brother starts to explain and Stephen shuts him down and he goes, no, no,

[00:45:39] no, it's okay. And I think we all lost it. And for the rest of the night, whenever

[00:45:45] somebody new came in, we would just go, oh wow! And my brother wanted, I think, to disappear.

[00:45:51] And slowly but surely Stephen Mooney was developing an increasing complex about the oh wow!

[00:45:58] Sorry, Bob. It's a funny story and it's good. I like it. I like it.

[00:46:03] Yeah. But we had a very nice time. It was great kind of hanging out with it. They were very,

[00:46:08] very nice to us. It was nice hanging out with folks after the convention. And

[00:46:12] yeah, I love Ireland. It was my third time and my brother's first, but it's been almost

[00:46:16] 20 years since I'd been there. So that's great. Yeah. I never felt though as old as Dublin Comic-Con

[00:46:22] where there were so many young people cosplaying as things that I could not identify. Oh yeah.

[00:46:28] Yeah, I understand that. Just assume it's Genshin Impact. That's just the majority of it.

[00:46:36] Well, it was funny. We went to Emerald City Comic-Con a couple years ago and like

[00:46:39] there was all these people that were dressed as like super cool things. And I asked my

[00:46:43] wife because she, I like, you know, I figured between the two of us we would know it. And she

[00:46:47] had no idea either. And then she actually did some like Google lens sleuthing and found out that

[00:46:52] like the majority of the people were like Genshin Impact cosplayers. I don't know if you know

[00:46:56] what Genshin Impact is. It's a video game. I do know what it is, but not much. But I have at

[00:47:01] least heard of it. So. Because of Alex the Campy coming on my podcast, I started listening to

[00:47:07] the score. Incredible score. Highly recommended. Thanks, shots to Alex for bringing that to

[00:47:12] my life because I absolutely love it. Yeah, I'll have to check it out. I think there was like a clip

[00:47:18] that I saw on TikTok that had a really interesting, I don't know, phrase to it. And I think when I

[00:47:25] googled it like what is that too? It was Genshin Impact. So yeah. It's everywhere.

[00:47:29] I got to remember what it, I'm not, I can't remember exactly what it is, what it was,

[00:47:34] the phrasing. It had an interesting cadence to it though. Sure. But yeah. So before I

[00:47:42] let you go, David, what, so what is it your in terms of your, your own reading? What are you

[00:47:46] reading right now that you're really enjoying? Well, unfortunately. If anything. I mean,

[00:47:51] unfortunately, I did just admit that I'm mostly not reading comics right now. So it's a hilarious

[00:47:55] thing. I am reading Martha Wells' Murderbot Diaries series. I don't know if you ever

[00:47:59] heard of this. It's a, a series of books. I am obsessed with it. It is a seven book series

[00:48:05] as of right now. Six of them are novellas. One of them is a novel. I'm in the midst of

[00:48:10] the novel and five books in it is, I obviously love it. I actually like that is like my newest

[00:48:16] run of things. I also was reading all of Timothy Zahn's Star Wars books. I read all, I read all

[00:48:22] of those now. I met him at, I met him at Paris Fan Festival last year. And it was the closest

[00:48:27] I've gotten to like completely like fanboying out that I've, I basically turned into like a

[00:48:32] psychopath for the entire time I was in line to like get a pic or get an autograph from him.

[00:48:38] Wonderful. Yeah, it was great. It was really, it was really great. But yeah, so Murderbot,

[00:48:43] everyone should read Murderbot. Let's see what comics have I been reading? I read X-Men Forever

[00:48:50] number one last night by Kieran Gillan and Luca Moresca. That was very good. X-Men stuff has

[00:48:56] been kind of mixed lately, but that hasn't, you know, it's coming to an end. It's gonna,

[00:49:01] it's gonna happen. I read Transformers number six. So Daniel Warren Johnson's most recent

[00:49:06] one. The funny thing is, is like right now I'm just kind of doing the bare minimum reading to

[00:49:10] make sure I'm on top of like the big things. Like the things that I really want to read is I have

[00:49:18] Kyle Starks' Karate Prom came that comes out in May from first second. I want to read that.

[00:49:23] I want to read Mary Tyler Moore Hawk from Dave Baker because everyone says it's amazing.

[00:49:26] And if I don't read it, I'm pretty sure Dave is going to murder me. And what else?

[00:49:33] I don't know. This is going to be a really interesting year of comics and I'm looking forward

[00:49:37] to finishing Murderbot so I can finally like fully commit to doing it. But I always find that like,

[00:49:43] I'm reading kind of a normal mount between like January and like August. And then between September

[00:49:50] and November, I read like, I read to a level that is probably unhealthy. So it would probably

[00:49:57] be better to ask me then. What are you reading? What would you recommend?

[00:50:01] Oh, what am I reading? I don't know what's over. I have like my to be my to be read piles to the

[00:50:09] left of me. I just got in Jason Copeland's full tilt. I cannot wait to dig into this.

[00:50:15] That's very nice. I mean, this is, oh, there we go. This is a heck of a book.

[00:50:21] But Letters by Troy Pitieri. I can't wait to dig into that.

[00:50:28] In terms of something like the the comics I'm reading, I really have been liking Drive

[00:50:35] Drive Like Hell, The Devil That Wears My Face, Animal Pound, Skeeters. And I got to get caught up on

[00:50:47] Undiscovered Country. Oh my god. That's a Snyder and Charles soul book with God,

[00:50:53] who's artist? Why am I spacing this Carmine G Dion Dion Domenico? Yeah, I think that's a

[00:51:03] you know, Kamen Coley. You know, it all Giuseppe Kamen Coley. Yeah. Yeah. This is the funny thing

[00:51:09] is like, this is always the hardest question for me to answer is like people are like,

[00:51:12] What are you reading right now? And it's like, I immediately develop amnesia. I'm just like,

[00:51:16] comic books. Yeah, I think everybody does that when you're, you know, you're on the spot.

[00:51:22] But I read a lot, both that I get from my, you know, local shop that's like right down the road.

[00:51:26] And and like Hoopa, I read a lot of digital just because it's kind of easy. I'm getting actually

[00:51:31] caught up on Once in Future and Awesome Book. Yeah, which is really, really phenomenal. So

[00:51:39] it's like a blockbuster like entertainment. Like it's like a blockbuster 90s action movie,

[00:51:45] but with like an extreme British political bent, which is right. And it's gorgeous.

[00:51:50] Yeah. Dan Moira, hard to go wrong with that guy. Yeah, absolutely. But

[00:51:55] well, David, I don't want to keep you any longer, but I really appreciate your time today.

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[00:52:31] I just I'm a huge fan and this has been a real honor for me today to get to talk to you.

[00:52:37] Oh, absolutely. Thank you for inviting me. I really appreciate you taking the time.

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