Sophie Campbell Interview - Supergirl

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[00:01:29] Head to 2000AD.com and click on subscribe now or download the 2000AD app and why wait? Start reading today. I'll put links in the show notes for you. Hello everyone and welcome to the Cryptid Creator Corner. I'm Byron O'Neill, your host for our Comics Creator Chat. I'm joined today by a newcomer on the show, everyone's favorite serial enthusiast, Sophie Campbell, who has just kicked off writing and artistic duties relaunching volume eight of DC's favorite Maiden of Might, Kara Zorrell or Supergirl.

[00:01:59] In an ongoing series and part of DC's Summer of Superman, which is a huge thing that's going on I've heard about. So Sophie, thanks for joining me on the show today. Yeah, thanks for having me. Absolutely. It's so nice to see you. Well, before we jump into all the Supergirl chat, I need to confirm something first. What is the best serial on this here little planet?

[00:02:23] That's a tough question. I feel like cinnamon life you can't go wrong with. That's kind of like my fallback. But right now, I'm really into the strawberry milkshake Frosted Flakes. Oh, I have not seen those. That is something.

[00:02:51] It is super good. And the Frosted Flakes glazed donut cereal, which is incredible. Oh, see, I have an autoimmune condition, so all these wonderful things that were introduced recently, I can't try because I have to watch all my sugar and stuff like that. But, you know, I'm trying to do I'm trying to do a no carb diet at the moment. So, like, I haven't had cereal. That's like true weakness.

[00:03:19] Well, I'd be remiss if I didn't ask if you'd tried the Supergirl Strongberry Captain Crunch. No, I didn't. I've never heard of that. Yeah, it came out in 2022. So it was this limited edition thing. They had a Superman or Supergirl alternatives and they had the super symbol as well and like the berry flavor. I'm looking it up right now. Oh, my gosh. Here it is.

[00:03:45] Sorry. I know you're on the low carb diet and I just tempted you with with the worst of things. Oh, my God. I think I might. Oh, here's a here's a box on on eBay for 10 bucks unopened. Oh, boy, I think I might. I can't do it. I think I might have to. I can't stomach Captain Crunch anyway. That buttery note to it.

[00:04:08] It's not it's not my favorite, but yeah, you know, I'll I'll try any cereal once. Strongberry. Yeah, yeah. I think I might have to get this. You know, I've gotten, you know, food off of eBay before and it's fine. Well, yeah, I got one time. I'm also kind of an Oreo aficionado. And I got years ago, there were Swedish fish Oreos.

[00:04:37] And I was never able to get them. And I was just like, you know, at some point I was like determined to find a package of these. And I bought like an unopened, like three year old package on on eBay. And I tried them and they made me sick. But, you know, I had to try it at least once. Since you haven't seen the cereal and I'm hesitant, given what you just said to tell you about this.

[00:05:03] But the only other Supergirl food stuff that I'm aware of and you better if you've already had this, just tell me that you got it when you were a kid because it came out in 1984. But Nabisco made cookies as well. Oh, I haven't had those either. OK, you need to do the eBay dive again. It is Supergirl cookies Nabisco. Oh, my God.

[00:05:30] They have they have boxes of it, but not no cookies on the inside. That's probably good for you. Yeah. So, like, you know, yeah, they have they have like somebody like, I guess, took the cookies out and like flattened the box out. So it's all nice and pristine. Which is insane. Oh, my God. But I'm surprised nobody has that in a slab. Crazy. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. I think I found some boxes of the actual cookies.

[00:06:00] Oh, just if you do it and you eat it, just don't tell me. I mean, I do want to review the cereal. So if you get the cereal, let me know. Here is an unopened box of cookies from the from 1984 for sixty five dollars. Oh, no, they said boxes do not contain the cookies. They have been resealed. OK, so there's no cookies in these boxes. You're saved. You're saved. I don't feel bad. You know, I don't even care.

[00:06:28] You know, I'm getting that sensibility. Anyway, well, no, clearly, clearly, you're a big Supergirl fan after reading through issues one and two. I know working on this must be an absolute dream come true for you, given all the Easter eggs that are present. This is this one worked out a little bit differently, though, than the typical pitch project is DC came to you, as I understand it. Yes. Yeah, they they came in.

[00:06:57] You know, I was you know, I needed a job. And so there was no. You know, hesitation on my end. So I was like, yes, I'll you know, I'll do it. And. I admit that, you know, I did a lot of research, you know, I read a whole bunch of stuff. They sent me. Some stuff to read. And I had this. From 1971, it's the book that my dad had when I was a kid.

[00:07:27] It's like this big hardcover, like red leather. Book and it's all Superman stuff from like 1938 to 71. But there's like Supergirl stuff kind of, you know, scattered around in it. And so that was like my main comic touchstone. And so I read like a bunch of a bunch of other Silver Age stuff. And.

[00:07:52] And, you know, that's that was the kind of the specifically like the Bronze Age, like 70s stuff. That was the kind of stuff that like spoke to me the most. Yeah. And, you know, I was just like, OK, it should be like the new comic should be like this. You know, like as much as we can make it, you know, like the 70s stuff. And. Yeah, that was that was pretty much it.

[00:08:19] I did a bunch of research and put together kind of like a loose pitch. And that was it. That's amazing. Yeah. Very, very smooth. Very breezy. It was good. That's an absolute rarity with the with the big two, usually editorial ones. This and this and this changed. Well, since that Bates and Saf run is clearly very near and dear to your heart.

[00:08:45] This is kind of a treat for me because I really get to talk to somebody who is on a big two project with a character that I love that's handling both writing and the artistic duties. So this gets we get to dive into one of my favorite topics. Ooh, form language. And it's been a while since I've read that run. But given how formative it is for you, were there specific things from that era that you wanted to pull in visually? Um, I think I think like the main thing is.

[00:09:14] I don't know. I like I like how like fashion is like a big point in those 70s comics in particular.

[00:09:24] Like, yeah, you know, even like even outside of, you know, where, you know, she gets the all these new costumes and stuff in like adventure comics, you know, but like in like the solo 1972 series, it's like like every outfit, like even when the characters don't comment on it is like. You know, I don't want to say like iconic, but it's like it seems like there was like thought put into each outfit. Yeah.

[00:09:55] Kara wears and like, you know, even other characters, too. Like. Like, and that was like a big point that was like, okay, like I want this to be. Not like a not like a fashion comic, but you know, the outfits should. Have like weight to them and which is also partly for me. So I don't get bored, you know, so like every, you know, every issue, you know, there'll be like different outfits that I can come up with and.

[00:10:25] And stuff like that. And, you know, the artwork on that old stuff is almost like it's like almost like a romance comic kind of look. Yeah. Where, you know, like all the girls are just like really. Like well coiffed or whatever, and, you know, they have these like really lovely eyebrows and stuff like that, and like these big eyelashes. Like, um, and that was, yeah, that was like the main. Uh.

[00:10:55] Kind of concept that I had for. The visuals and like, I, you know, obviously it's still. Drawn in like my own style and stuff, but. You know, I often look back on. Specifically like the 72. Solo series to for like inspiration and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. You cut your teeth kind of doing a lot of fashion stuff on Jim and the hologram. So is there anything you learned from that series that you were able to kind of inject in this?

[00:11:25] Um, I feel like Jim, Jim is more like over the top. With. Yeah. You know, the fashion and like the hair and everything, obviously. Um, I think, I think for that aspect of the Supergirl book, like I pull more from all like the, the goth comics that I used to do. Like really. Okay.

[00:11:48] In my career where like the outfits are more like, you know, what some, what somebody would like actually wear as opposed to Jim where it's like. Like nobody would actually wear that stuff. It's more like kind of. You know, like, like wish fulfillment, like, like, oh, I wish I could wear this. Like, I wish this was a real outfit and that kind of thing. Whereas Supergirl, it's like, you know, like, okay, like this is something that somebody would actually.

[00:12:16] Wear in like the real world. Yeah. Much was made in Cars outfits and the selection of it. In issue two, we got served basically a fashion show after her suit got trashed. And that included a whole lot of old school Easter eggs with the fan designed ones from the seventies. You know, we, we see Margaret's version in there. Not my personal favorite. How much, how much time have you spent obsessing over Supergirl suit over the years?

[00:12:44] Um, I really love, I personally think. Her best costume is the seventies, like, uh, like the loose sleeves and like the, the red hot pants. I personally think that's her best costume. Um, and I had wanted that to be like, like a variation on that to be like her main look for the series.

[00:13:10] Um, and I think like, I don't know. I really, you know, even the ones like, even that, like, what was her name? Margaret Berg, I think her last name. Um, like people seem to, to hate that costume. It's so insane. Right. But yeah, I, I really, there's something about like all of those costumes that I like.

[00:13:35] And even in, you know, there's like those, I think it's in, in, I think it's an adventure comics where like there'd be like, you know, there's like four pages or something of just the outfits. And like super girls, like she has like this little head that'll like pop in and be like, Ooh, I really liked the pants on this one. Like that kind of thing.

[00:13:57] And I wish I could have in, in super girl, uh, number two, like, I wish I could have drawn her wearing like all of those, you know, for like just being an excuse to put them all in. Yeah. Like all those costumes, like I think are great in, in some respect. Um, I don't think there's any that I, I like actively dislike.

[00:14:21] Like I can't, I can't think of any, um, if I, if it was up to me, I would have that Marguerite Byrd costume in like a whole arc. Just that would be like her main costume for a bit. Yeah. The, uh, the Lena hot topic look, I thought was, it was an interesting one. I love the, the Ouroboros t-shirt and its connection to the, the life cycle of birth and death.

[00:14:50] I, I love the incarnation there of her in this, this way. So why go goth though? Um, that's, I mean, you know, that's like my roots is like, you know, goth fashion and like the goth scene. And when, you know, they recommended or they suggested that I use Lena Luthor.

[00:15:15] And, you know, I kind of looked at, at first when they suggested that to me, like I didn't, I hadn't done like Lena research yet. And like, I was familiar with the CW show where she is Lex's sister and she's this kind of, um, she's this kind of like, like corp goth look, like corporate goth, which I really like.

[00:15:42] And so I was like, oh, like, that's, that's what I want to do with, with Lena. And then, you know, I realized that there's this whole other, not Lena Thoral, there's this whole other Lena, you know, who is Lex's daughter. And she's got this like, you know, like green hair, you know, whatever. And I was like, oh, okay. So she's not like corp goth Lena where she's, she's not like this, like evil, like goth CEO or whatever.

[00:16:14] Um, that seems so counter to the, to the whole goth movement at the goth CEO, just saying that sounds sort of vile in my mouth. The idea, the idea with like, you know, corp goth is like, is like someone who was in the goth scene. Uh oh, did my camera just conk out? No, you're here. Oh, there it goes. That was weird. I got like a little spinning thing for a second there. Um, but yeah.

[00:16:43] So, you know, it's like, you know, somebody who was like in the goth scene when they were younger, but like, as you know, as an adult, they're like, oh, I have to get like a regular job. I have to be, you know, like I have to join the workforce or whatever. And so like a corp goth is like, you know, somebody who like, you know, like, like tries to express that while, you know, like working in like an office. Yeah. Yeah. It's like that, that, that's the idea behind that.

[00:17:13] Um, and so since I couldn't do that, since this Lena is not like working in an office or whatever, I was like, oh, I'll just, you know, she's, you know, she's still young. You know, she's like 18 or 19 or whatever. Like, that's like the best time to have like a goth phase. That's right. That's when my goth phase was, but nobody can prove it. I had the whole, you know, dyed, dyed black hair and all, you know, it wasn't quite black. It was blue black. Oh, that's, that's awesome. Just look super.

[00:17:42] But no, none of those pictures still exist to the best of my knowledge. That's awesome. Well, it's, it's a good place. I think with all this costumery and talking about the different characters to touch on one of the main thematic things that I got from, from my read through, which is body image in the book. And there's almost a runway pose with Lesla back to back with super girl. She's looking a little bit like power girl to me in, in that framing.

[00:18:10] But Lesla is struggling with feminine self-image, something I think will resonate with a lot of younger girls and women in our age with our overly sexualized, branded and packaged internet ideal of quote beauty. You know, I think it's something that mainstream comics is still challenged with to this day. I mean, we see stuff like not going to knock on it, but rogues back in the savage land wearing very little again in 2025. Right.

[00:18:38] So what made you want to tap into that body image issue specifically with, with the series? Um, I think, I think part of that is not, not like a hundred percent, like, like intentional. I think that kind of just, I think that kind of just comes out when I, when I draw, you know, ladies, you know, and with

[00:19:06] Lesla in particular, like, I can't even remember like how it came up, but like, I wanted it to be like, like, you know, like these movies where a character like goes back to their hometown, like after a number of years. And yeah.

[00:19:32] They've like, kind of like come into themselves, you know, like, they've been there and I've been there personally. I know exactly what this feels like. Like, I mean, I was, I was on the road working with rock bands for a decade and a half and there's like a disconnect that you can feel coming home and you feel like you sort of stepped into a new body that you didn't know that you inhabited because you get back in that place and those people. And they remind you of, it's like it's frozen in time. Right. Right. Right. Yeah, exactly.

[00:20:02] And I couldn't, I couldn't like exactly do that with Kara, you know, like she kind of has to be like a certain way and being like this kind of like evergreen sort of character where, you know, you can't, I can't put her through like this whole like big overhaul or whatever.

[00:20:25] But like with Lesla, I felt like she's never been to Midvale before, but I felt like I could kind of like capture the same kind of thing where she's like, you know, she's this nerd, this like kind of lanky nerd. And then when she's like exposed to the outside world, you know, she becomes this like super babe or whatever.

[00:20:51] And, you know, she doesn't like fully understand like what it means, I guess. And it's kind of like a manifestation of her, you know, not growing up, but like becoming like who she's like meant to be, I guess. Right. Yeah. And you're dealing with all the preconceived notions of what people in their minds had you being.

[00:21:20] It's like the, you see your grandparents and they've always got you locked into being a certain age. In my case, I was like eight and, and I'm 25 and I show up, Hey, Hey Nana. And she still thinks I'm eight years old. And I liked the exact same foods that I liked when I was eight years old. Exactly. Like here's your limit icebox pie. Oh, I'm, I'm lactose intolerant, Nana. Right. Yeah.

[00:21:43] My, my, or, you know, my, my grandpa, he would, like I said, I liked like Reese's peanut butter cups when I was like four or something. And then like, you know, every Christmas from then on he would send me this bag of Reese's peanut butter cups. I'm like, you know, I don't really like these that much anymore, but then, you know, you know, you can't tell them that, you know, obviously. Yeah. Yeah. Why not my strawberry shake cereal? That's what I want.

[00:22:13] Yes. That would be, well, DC is an interesting place because you get to explore places more as characters. I think then you do Marvel because, you know, Marvel has the normal topography and here you have places like Gotham in this case, Midvale. So talk to me about what you wanted it to represent in the series. Um, yeah.

[00:22:37] Like I was surprised when I was like doing research and stuff that apparently Kara like hadn't, or like just Midvale itself, like not necessarily Carl, like the visiting Midvale. But, um, I was surprised that there hadn't been like any big Midvale stuff for a while, which, you know, it seemed kind of crazy. Like that's, you know, at least in like the silver age and bronze age and stuff like that was her, her hometown.

[00:23:06] That was like kind of her town. And, you know, it was like, yeah, like that, that's what it should be. That's what the series should be. Like she goes, you know, she goes back to Midvale and it's this like kind of, you know, Edward Scissorhands suburb kind of thing where like all the houses are the same. And, you know, Kara, like, you know, she doesn't, oh, hello.

[00:23:36] Cat visitor. You know, she doesn't, you know, she doesn't feel like she fits there anymore. And it, it felt interesting to me because like, you know, there's a lot of superheroes in cities and like, why can't they do stuff in like, you know, the suburbs, which have problems and supervillains also.

[00:23:57] Um, and that was, you know, it was also, you know, a way for me to get out of drawing big buildings and stuff, which is time considered. Fair. Well, what have you come across in the series that you really don't like drawing or did you just avoid it because you were doing both duties?

[00:24:20] Um, part of, part of it, like, it's easy to write like, you know, like, okay, like I don't want to draw like motorcycles. So I'm going to write something that doesn't have any motorcycles in it. But, sooner or later, you kind of have to, like, there has to be a crowd of people, you know, and I can't, I can't totally avoid that. Like, I can't write myself out of that.

[00:24:50] Um, so yeah, like, you know, it's like, actually right now I'm doing, oh no, I guess I can't, I can't say that. Spoilers. Um, but they go to a place in number four, which is a very like crowded place. Okay. And like, after I started drawing, I was like, why did I do this? Why did I do this to myself?

[00:25:16] And there's definitely, I guess that's, that's the big one that I try to write myself out of, like having big crowd scenes. But again, that's like, it's tough when you kind of have to, but the crowds are smaller than they would be in, you know, Metropolis. Yes. So that's for sure. That's nice.

[00:25:38] Or you just invent distractions like a shark princesses with squid dresses and then you don't pay any attention to the crowds. Cause you're like, why, why is that here? I don't care. I like it, but why is that here? That was a character who I wanted to, I wanted, uh, I worked on a pitch for DC like years ago.

[00:26:03] And like, I was really into the idea of super villains, like having like either children or like relatives, you know? So like King shark would have, there'd be like, like, why isn't there a princess shark? Of course. I had, I had like, I had killer Croc's daughter, chiller Croc. He's just like a normal person or whatever. Um, yeah. I love that. Chiller Croc.

[00:26:33] That sounds cool. I like chiller Croc. Why didn't DC green light that? Yeah. So they were just these kind of like stupid ideas like that. And so like when I got the super girl job, I was like, I was like, oh yeah, I get to, I get to net. Like now's my chance for a princess shark. And it worked out. Where are the kitchen sink in there that of things you, you want to draw. That's the, I'm going to get rid of the city crowds and we're just going to put, you know,

[00:27:01] chill, chilling, uh, uh, I guess not simple. You could come up with siblings, but like kids of, of the, the great supervillains of the DC multiverse. Right. Right. Yeah, exactly. And, uh, you know, with princess shark, it's like, okay, like, you know, I really want to draw this character and write, you know, a scene around her. So I get to draw her. Yeah. But she's great.

[00:27:27] And it, it sets a tone immediately for buy-in, you know, and can expect things are going to be a little bit campy here, which is a shift in tone from what we've come to expect of a lot of the super girl narratives where things feel really, really big and galactic. Yeah. And part of that, part of that too was like, you know, I read a woman of tomorrow, which is great,

[00:27:52] obviously, but like, yeah, I felt like it made me realize like, you know, I'm one, I'm not Philquist Ebley and I'm not Tom King. And I just don't know if, if I can like measure up to that, I guess. And like, I don't know if I have anything like that serious to say about these characters.

[00:28:20] So I'm just going to go in the opposite direction and just like have princess sharks show up and I'm going to play, you know, I'm going to play to my strengths. Like, I don't mean this in like a self-deprecating way, you know, I'm going to play to my strengths and it's going to, you know, it's going to be a little, it's going to be lighter and it's going to be sillier, you know, cause like that's kind of my typical mode.

[00:28:45] Yeah. I mean the, the vibe I got honestly was like reading Archie, you know, my grandfather owned a grocery store when I was a kid. It was the only one on that side of Monroe County, Tennessee. And they had three packs of comics and I'd pour through these. And most of these were Archie or Looney Tunes and that kind of stuff. And it feels that way a lot. It's a very slice of life oriented book. And it feels like she's finally moving out from under Superman and Krypton

[00:29:15] for that matters shadow that allows her to be a young woman who's like figuring it out and adulting as everybody has to do, you know, but she's also sort of crazy and powerful. Yeah. Yeah. It felt, felt Archie. Yeah. And like, and it doesn't, it doesn't preclude there being like real stakes or like real emotions in it. Right.

[00:29:39] It, it just, it can just have this kind of like, um, like, I don't know, like silly earnestness, which was a big thing that like really resonated with me in, you know, like the seventies, the sixties and seventies stuff where like, you know, it's like all this just ridiculous stuff

[00:30:01] happening, but like, there's no, there's, there's like no irony to it, which I like, you know, it's not like, you know, something ridiculous happens and there's no, like, you know, nowadays there, there would be a character who like turns to the camera and they're like, well, that happened, you know, like that kind of thing, which I hate.

[00:30:27] And you know, like, why can't, why, why can't it just be silly without it? Like the, the writers like acknowledging that it's silly. Like, why can't it just be serious, but serious, silly, serious silliness. Yeah. Like, why can't it just be genuine like that? Yeah. Somebody from my particular vintage, we don't need to get into how old I am, but that 1970s

[00:30:55] pocket that you're pulling from feel it again, like the Archie, it just feels very safe and familiar to me like that. I mean, I, I kept thinking of old soap opera stuff. Well, not soap operas, but these TV shows that I bewitched or something like that, that had that sort of funny family, you know, nuclear family vibe to it. And there's a little bit of tying in and pulling in of secret hearts, the, the soap opera that Supergirl was in as well.

[00:31:24] So yeah, they all, all these little connection points that I've, that spoke to me in that way anyway. Yeah. I'm glad. Yeah. All right, everybody. We're going to take a quick break. We'll be right back. Far in the future and deep in space, humankind has been lost to the stock. Quiet rumors circulate of righteous heroes willing to fight and save the enslaved and oppressed masses.

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[00:34:13] Kara breaks out the chromatic rebirth chrome. Wait, who's your first favorite DC werewolf? Bigby, of course. The OG big bad wolf. I don't think I know that one. Oh, Bigby's great. I mean, I know he's a bit out of fashion at the moment. We won't go into names, but Fables is where Bigby showed up first. Oh, Fables. Okay. I have never read Fables. Oh, yeah. Here he is. Bigby wolf.

[00:34:43] I'm looking on the DC.fandom thing. Yeah. So he's not really. Is Fables in? Is that like the same universe as like all that other stuff? They've. I don't know if it's official. They pulled him in because they did a Batman crossover. It's a Batman and Bigby deal. So. In my mind, that makes it real. It's official. That's what we're saying. I think Long Island is better than Bigby, though. We're all entitled to our opinions.

[00:35:13] He's like he's pink, which I love, you know. Yeah. Yeah. Better. We'll go with that. Just, you know, figure out a way to put Bigby in there. It's a big werewolf. You're used to drawing big things. You got big gorillas. You got princess sharks. You can fit a, you know, the granddaddy of werewolves. Have Bigby and Lauran ever met and fought? Not to the best of my knowledge, but I'm here for it.

[00:35:44] That's certainly tempting. And like, what if. Here we go. Like. Can Bigby infect other people with lycanthropy? No. Like typical werewolves? Oh, okay. Because I was. He is simply the embodiment of the big bad wolf. Like I was going to. Human form. Like what if. Like, could they infect each other with their own strain of lycanthropy? And if so, what would happen?

[00:36:15] So this springs to mind. I don't know if you're a fan of the old Ghostbusters cartoon, but there was a very specific episode that I absolutely loved where you had werewolves and vampires fighting each other with Ghostbusters thrown in the middle in this town. And that's exactly what was happening. It was crazy because they were biting each other. Hey, and instantaneously they start to turn. So you'd have werewolves that all of a sudden sprouted bat wings. And it was nuts.

[00:36:43] That's certainly tempting. Something like that. Like, what if Alaron like gets loose from Kandor and starts infecting everybody in Midvale, you know? And there's all these pink werewolves running around. Does that fit with the personality that you've established with this? Because I know he was raging, but she was able to calm him down.

[00:37:08] And it felt very much like when my dog's scared of thunder and we cuddle her with a blanket. And that's what happened in issue one. That was, that's what I was thinking. Like a giant thunder shirt, you know? Okay. You know, you wrap them up and they feel better. They feel safe or whatever. Oh, you nailed it then. Yeah. Dead on because that was my read. Yeah. Awesome.

[00:37:33] But yeah, so I don't know if Alaron would willingly infect everybody in Midvale, but you know, maybe he loses control again. I like where this is going. For sure. I'm down. I would see the, the association I always have with werewolves and people who are regular listening to podcasts would be like, God, he's going to work werewolves into it again. But yes, I am because I have lupus. So there's like that whole genus association. And then the idea, of course, that you have this viral thing that totally hijacks your system

[00:38:02] and periodically without you having any agency in it whatsoever, just wrecks things. And that feels very, very normal in my life. Is that like, I love. Is the disease lupus, is that like named after wolves for some reason or? Truthfully, I don't know. It's just something that I've run with. No, because I see so many parallels between that, those things. Because lupus is like, like, doesn't that mean like wolf?

[00:38:33] Yeah, it's genus. You have canis lupus, which is genus species. For wolves. No, no. We're quickly reading the etymology of lupus. It's not a fun. It's a little bit depressing, to be honest with you, to go down that road. Yeah, originates from the Latin word for wolf. But why? Why is it called that? I'm sorry. Just going down. No, it's all good.

[00:39:00] I've come to now expect that you're going to take your internet search tangents. And that's quite all right. Yeah, like the Wikipedia page for the disease. Like, it doesn't even talk about, oh wait, history. Yeah, there's some. Oh, here it is. Oh, you found it. Sorry. Go ahead. Go ahead. No, no, go ahead. Tell everybody what you found.

[00:39:21] All right. Oh, it says. This one theory, anyway. It was that the term lupus was given due to the wound being reminiscent of a wolf's bite. Whoa. I've never had that.

[00:39:51] Thank God. Yeah. This is similar to the naming of lupus vulgaris or chronic facial tuberculosis where the lesions are ragged and punched out and are said to resemble the bite of a wolf. Wow. Dang. Okay. That's crazy. Yeah. It's not a fun condition. I can tell you that. I have very mild Crohn's disease. Oh, I'm sorry. No, it's all right.

[00:40:18] It comes and goes kind of like what you're talking about. But, you know, so I kind of get, you know, the kind of sporadic, unpredictable, you know, autoimmune thing. Yeah. Well, I mean, as a member of the disability community, I was going to say thank you for including her mom's missing hand. That was a nice little Easter egg that was thrown in there as well. Oh, yeah. Absolutely.

[00:40:47] Which I admit sometimes I forget. Like there were a couple, there was like a panel or two in like number two where, you know, like I would draw it like on the wrong side or I would forget. So I had to like go back and fix it. Yeah. But you can't. That's the beauty of doing everything. Yeah, just fix it. It's easy. Yeah, it's definitely, that's, you know, writing and drawing is definitely nice.

[00:41:13] There's like a fluidity to it where I can like, you know, I can jump back in real quick and be like, you know, change this. Just change this and then like re-upload it and it's all fine, you know. Is that an easier process? Because I think I spent over a decade as a professional photographer and I was always my own worst critic and I'm constantly going back. And because we have the ability to do it, I'm going to rework something again and again and again.

[00:41:38] So the idea of doing both things seems really daunting to me because I'm a perfectionist and I'd never be happy with it. Yeah. Um, I'm, I'm less of a perfectionist. Like as I get older and especially with like the monthly comic schedule, like there's a point, there's a point where you have to just kind of let go and let something be what it is, you know?

[00:42:05] Um, but it's also, it's definitely easier for me to write and draw the same thing for myself because my, you know, like when scripting, like I don't have to be like really descriptive because I'm writing it myself.

[00:42:25] So I know what it's going to look like and it's pretty much just writing for my editor, you know, and yeah, I can do, you know, panel two close up on Kara. And like, I don't have to explain any because I know what her expression is going to be. Yeah. And there will be times where I'll draw stuff and it will deviate from the script.

[00:42:54] And then, you know, after I'm done drawing, I'll go back into the script and change dialogue and stuff like according to what I changed in the art stage. So like, you know, there's, it's much more fluid and, you know, there's more freedom, I guess.

[00:43:15] Whereas like when I was working on a Ninja Turtles where like, I didn't, you know, I didn't do like a ton of art for that when I was writing it. But like once, once I would write something, it's like, I can't, I can't change it. Like after the artist starts drawing, like if I do change dialogue, it has to like fit into what the artist has drawn.

[00:43:40] And yeah, like, you know, you're just like locked in to things a bit more. Like if I have a better idea, like I can't really do it because the artist has already drawn it, you know? Oh yeah. And I definitely prefer like writing for myself because there's that kind of, you know, there's like more of a freedom to it. Um, well, it feels like there's a lot of trust from, from the vantage point of editorial then and what you're doing and talk about the rest of your team.

[00:44:10] Tamara, you have the, in my opinion, the best colorist working in the game right now on this book too. She is great. And like, we're like very close friends. So we talk, you know, pretty much every night. Like we have like a group chat and stuff. And, you know, like if I, if I change something at the last minute, like I just send the page like to Tamara on the side or whatever. I'd be like, I'm sorry, I changed this. You know, that kind of thing. Yeah. She, yeah. Yeah. She, she's amazing.

[00:44:40] Great, great to work with. You know, can't, I can't say enough good stuff about her. She's great. Oh yeah. Yeah. Fantastic stuff. It's a different, it's a departure from the style that I'm kind of a accustomed to with her though. So, uh, and it's, you know, everything's going to be suited to the project, but, you know, I'm, I'm thinking of her working with, um, Dan Mora and everything. It's very dark and, you know, very moody. And this is pastels. You might as well blown open a bag of Skittles.

[00:45:10] I mean, it's very, it's gorgeous, but it's very different. It's very bright. It's very like, um, there's like a warmth to it where like, yeah, like everything kind of has this like, uh, kind of like, like sun, sun kissed look or something. To it, which is really great. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I like that adjective. Sun kissed. I think nails it. Like that's this perfect description.

[00:45:31] One of the things that I was curious about, we've talked about all these Easter eggs and this still manages to feel in my mind, very approachable for newer readers as well. Kind of written with a feel for a younger audience in mind who doesn't need to get all these references from the seventies for people who were as old as me. So walk me through the process of balancing the diehards and wanting to pull in new readers to the series too.

[00:45:57] Um, I think like when I put in Easter eggs like that, it's more, it's more like for me, I guess. Okay. You know, I'll read an issue and be like, Oh, the yellow ring of Norcan. Like that sounds fun. And, but I'm not really thinking like about like, Oh, that there's going to be some, some reader who is going to like flip out because I included the yellow ring of Norcan.

[00:46:26] It's like, that doesn't really occur to me. Um, so it, it's more like what I find fun and, and then if, you know, if it like resonates with somebody, then that's great.

[00:46:43] Um, and it's kind of like, you know, I've done a lot of like creator own stuff, but when I work on like, you know, licensed stuff or not, not licensed stuff, but like IP stuff. Right. Sure. Like Supergirl, like I want to do stuff on it that I can't do in like a creator owned thing.

[00:47:08] So that's, that means like, okay, I'm going to, I'm going to pull all this stuff from like these old comics, which is like something I can only do like on like, you know, a Supergirl book or like a DC book. Like, like when am I ever going to have the opportunity to do a comic with, you know, like all these, these old costumes or. Or, you know, like, yeah.

[00:47:37] Or, you know, the, the yellow ring of Norcan or whatever, like when am I ever going to have that in a comic, you know, or like the microwave tunnel to go into Kandor. Or like, you know, I want to like pull in as much of that stuff as possible. Um, especially stuff like, you know, that only appears like once or twice, you know, like there's so many characters and stuff like.

[00:48:05] Like, you know, like, like Wanda five from the first issue of the, the solo series where it's like, she's only in one issue. Like what happened to her? Why was she psychic? Why did she have those alien artifacts in her luggage? I don't know. You know, and that, that kind of stuff makes me want to like put it into like the new comic because it like.

[00:48:32] You know, there's just, there's like, like, I feel like I'm rambling, but like a lot of those old comics, they feel kind of like. Like unfinished in like a fun way. And that makes me want to like, not, not like revamp it, but like, oh, like what if I took the yellow ring? And like, what if it's in the new comic and it's kind of like a follow up?

[00:49:00] On this old thing that like never really was explored or. You know, and there's, there's something kind of fun about that where. Old ring, you know, like readers familiar with that stuff will have this kind of like extra depth to it. Yeah. That will like, you know, like mean something to them. But for new readers, it's like, you don't have to know.

[00:49:25] The old comic that like the Norcan ring is referencing, like it, it works like as its own thing. And. Yeah. It can just be like, oh, you know, this is some like device or something that Supergirl just has. And it's this Kryptonian thing. And that's enough for like the narrative.

[00:49:45] Yeah, I think one of the things that I, I really like, and it's clearly resonated with a lot of other people from checking around the Internet is that it feels like we have a super fan writing a character the way we would write a character. That's the one consistent thing that I've heard from a lot of people like, oh, Sophie gets it from the jump. Sophie is a super fan and it's totally obvious.

[00:50:13] And so I think it's connecting with a lot of people in that way. That and that's no disrespect to Tom King. Fantastic run. But it's different. Yeah, no, I appreciate that. And like, you know, I think like it's actually it's kind of like it's a really different, you know, I, I try not to, I try not to read like reviews or. Sure.

[00:50:42] You know, like delve too much into like those, the fan spaces or, you know, whatever. But like, it has been really different than working on like Ninja Turtles where, you know, obviously people, you know, they like my run. Like I wrote it for like, you know, four plus years or whatever. So obviously I was doing something right. But, you know, I'm like a hardcore Turtles fan.

[00:51:11] Like, you know, more so than Supergirl. I'm sorry, you know, I'm sorry, Kara. But like, you know, and but with Turtles, there was like a large contingent that was like. Sophie Campbell ruined Ninja Turtles, you know, like this is horrible. And so like that, like, I guess that's what I expected with Supergirl kind of.

[00:51:37] I mean, maybe we'll get that, you know, several issues from now, like all have ruined Supergirl. Um, I don't think so, you know. But, you know, there's there's definitely that. It's been like, not that I go into something thinking like, oh, people are going to hate this. You know, like, of course, I guess like I was surprised at the amount of positivity that. That.

[00:52:06] In the reaction to Supergirl so far. Um, and just, yeah, like being, being a fan myself and not. People like, oh, this feels like fan fiction or something, you know, so it like. Yeah, so it's been kind of the opposite in some respects. So it's been, yeah, it's been nice.

[00:52:30] Well, what's the cheese on the mousetrap that you can share about the forthcoming issues? Like, where is this going? I saw. Thank you for doing the AMA on Reddit because I saw you mentioned Ragman. Oh, God. I actually talked to my editor about Ragman like yesterday, actually. You know, I was just like, like, is there like a rag woman?

[00:52:54] And, you know, apparently like, you know, I know like Ragman, like nobody else has like a soul suit or, you know, or whatever. Yeah. But, you know, what if there was another soul suit or something? I don't know. But yeah, I definitely like Ragman and that would be super fun to have him show up. If you had a rag woman, you should connect it to Broadway somehow and the theater and you have all these costs. I have a background in theater, so this is why I'm making this stuff up.

[00:53:24] But you could somehow have, you know, like Joseph, the piece of Joseph's and, you know, a piece from Jesus Christ Superstar and all. I'm just saying that'd be cool. That'd be cool. Can I, can I see? Can I steal your idea, though? Yes. And you can have Bigby wear it. I don't, nothing would make my heart happier than if Bigby was running around in Joseph's coat. That would be super fun, though.

[00:53:50] Like, you know, I don't have a background in theater or anything, but I really like stage, stage-based mysteries and horror, like Phantom of the Opera. Yeah. Or there's like, there's this Italian slasher movie called Stage Fright. And it all takes place, like, you know, people getting killed, like, behind the curtain, you know, of like this, like stage production or whatever, which I really like.

[00:54:19] Um, so like maybe, maybe Midvale could have, you know, like, like an open mic theater, you know, like level theater, not like Broadway level, but like, you know, a small theater or whatever. Yeah, Black Box Theater. Yeah. And then Ragwoman comes out of that somehow. That would be super fun. That's too funny. Yeah.

[00:54:48] Well, I think, I guess the next thing we have to look forward to is the dance. That's what we have on the horizon anyway, is the dance. Actually, the dance thing, like, I was kind of surprised that people, like, because I saw a few people be like, oh, you know, there's like a dance coming up. But like, that wasn't, that wasn't meant to be like a big thing. It was just supposed to be like, it was just supposed to be like Clarissa just like talking about like frivolous stuff.

[00:55:18] But now, now I feel kind of compelled, like, like maybe there should be an issue about the dance. Like I hadn't planned on it, but like maybe there should be. That's the problem when you start paying attention to reviews and what people are saying online. Because they, and already here, like how much have I infused into the thought process of, well, maybe I can fit Bigby in here. Now we need Ragwoman coming from Broadway.

[00:55:43] Like, like sometimes I like that kind of thing where it'll give me, you know, or, you know, it'll give me something that I hadn't thought about or let me like see something in like a new light. But yeah, like sometimes like one of the main reasons I steer clear of that stuff is. When I have like too many ideas, like I start to feel paralyzed.

[00:56:09] And if, you know, like, like I've done pitches and stuff where like, I'll get like so much feedback from like editors and stuff where I'm just like, you know, I feel all turned around and like disoriented. I'm like, I think I have to start over and I'll just scrap everything and start. Oh, wow. So like, I, like, I know like what it's supposed to be, you know? Yeah. No, I get it. That's my creative process in a nutshell. Yeah.

[00:56:39] Yeah. And now I'm kind of, but now like, I'm kind of feeling like maybe I should do this. But then that's going to like throw off everything I already have. Oh, no. Boy. Don't do that then. Yeah. Plus if I did. No, no. No, no. If I did the dance, like I would have to draw like all these characters in one location. Oh, yeah. Crowd of people. Yeah. Maybe. Okay.

[00:57:09] Yeah. All right. No, no. Next on the dance. Sorry, folks. People who are listening. No more dance. Dance is over. I'm sorry. Well, I normally ask people what else they have cooking. Considering you're both doing art and writing with Supergirl, I'm imagining not too much else. But I saw you recently designed a kaiju. So this is blue spike, which looks like a rhino shark hybrid. And he glows. Yeah. Here's a different colorway of blue spike.

[00:57:39] Oh, I like that. Yeah. So like, so yeah. So I sculpt, I sculpt kaiju figures. Here's, here's my first one, red bite. Oh, cool. Yeah. He looks like a ghoulie. A ghoulie. I love ghoulies. Yeah. He's like a cross between Godzilla and ghoulies. Yeah. Yeah. They're these little cute kind of creatures. Um, yeah.

[00:58:08] So, you know, I do that stuff and, you know, they're made in Japan. Um, and there's actually like a bunch of other blue spike colorways in Japan that we don't have here. Okay. But this, yeah, the one that you're talking about is the first stateside release of blue spike from max toy. How'd you get into all that? Like, how did you, okay. I want to design kaijus and go. Right.

[00:58:36] Um, I mean, yeah, I'm a huge, you know, huge kaiju fan toy collector and have like, you know, I'm like surrounded by like all these giant monsters and stuff. Um, and so, yeah, so this company max toy, uh, run by this guy, Mark, he, he's based in California and he has this character called eyes on who's like a kaiju potato.

[00:59:06] Well, they have any, they have any eyes on near me, but yeah. So, so anyway, so I did some fan art of this character eyes on and Mark saw it and he's like, Hey, like, do you want to design an eyes on figure? And I was like, hell yeah. Cool. So that was the first one I did. I didn't sculpt that one.

[00:59:30] And, uh, after I did that, I was just like, Hey, like, what if I, can I like sculpt my own monsters for you guys? Like, I've never done that before. I don't know if I'd be any good at it, but like, that would be super fun. Like, what if I started with something kind of small, kind of simple, you know, like a two piece figure, um, excuse me. And like, you know, so that's how that started.

[00:59:52] And there is a max toy Japan and the guy who runs that, yo, he does, you know, he does like his own figures, like sometimes based on like, you know, the, the designs that we do here in the States. Sometimes he does his own stuff. And so basically like I'll sculpt it, I'll sculpt a figure in Sculpey and then I mail it

[01:00:20] off to Tokyo and then they produce, uh, they produce like iron molds and stuff. And then, you know, this is whole big, you know, slush molding soft vinyl process that, that they do over in Japan. And now I kind of like, I do stuff both with Mark, uh, and with yo in Japan and like, you

[01:00:44] know, now I'm, now I'm waiting on molds for like my third figure silver shell has like, like, like seven parts. So it's like, it's bigger, you know? And like, you know, that's, that's what I would really love to do full time. If I could, if I could make that work and just sculpting monsters all day. Sorry, comics fans, but at least they have you now with the Kaiju cred, cause you're working on Mothra queen of monsters. Yes. IDW.

[01:01:13] So I admit I have not picked that, that one up. So what's the pitch there? All right. The pitch for Mothra, the, the, this was actually, it was, um, kind of like when I was going to draw this, I was just like, okay, like, how can I do, how can I do this pitch without having to draw crowds of people, buildings or military vehicles? Right. So like, I'm like, okay, so it's like post-apocalyptic.

[01:01:43] So there are no crowds of people, blah, blah, blah, blah. It was basically me trying to come up with a Kaiju pitch for like Godzilla without having to draw like anything. I didn't feel like drawing and, um, miniature little Godzilla. Oh God, I'm so lazy, but like, uh, and so, you know, somewhere along the way, like that got, that got kind of shelved until, uh, my friend, Matt Frank, who is like a major figure

[01:02:12] in like the Godzilla scene, you know, he was just like, Hey, like, what if we did that, your moths were pitched together? And I was just like, hell yeah. And that, that was pretty much it. And we, you know, we pitched it together and, you know, it was green lit and, you know, we're working on issue five right now, which is the final issue. Okay. Um, that's rad. Yeah. But yeah, it was, you know, dream, dream come true for sure.

[01:02:41] Well, I'm beginning to think that your unannounced project is going to be a super friends animal mini series. Cause you've got crypto and streaky and candy. Although maybe Ryan North is going to steal it and crypto last dog crypto. I don't know, but just saying there is a menagerie going. Yes. There is a freaky, streaky crypto candy. There's a fourth super pet in the super girl. Number five. Okay. Who shows up.

[01:03:11] I don't think they've released cover for that yet, but yeah, you'll, you'll see. But yeah, you know, I love the super pets. I love that whole angle and yeah. Well, we'll look forward to issue five then touching on where people can find you online. You have very divergent social media feeds. If you want to see a bunch of the, how do you pronounce this? This is so fooby. Am I pronouncing that? Yeah. Yeah. So, so fooby. Yeah. Soft. Okay.

[01:03:39] Your Instagram feed is all that. So if people want to see that, go to Instagram. If they want, they want to see the comic stuff, they go to blue sky. Is there anywhere else you'd like people to find you? I also have a Tumblr, but I don't post it very often. That's mostly like fan asks at the, at this point. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. We all have a Tumblr. I think I still have a Tumblr. I think I still have a MySpace, but. Oh my God. Really? That's crazy.

[01:04:09] I don't know. It's still there. I didn't delete it. I wonder if mine's still there. I don't remember if I deleted it or not. That'd be crazy. I wish like my favorite one is still live journal. I wish. Okay. I wish live journal was cool again. Something like that. Like that was kind of my ideal platform.

[01:04:34] I really lament the things that have happened with Substack because I, I liked it, but we can't stay there for obvious reasons. Yeah. I shut, I shut my Substack down like a month or two ago. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, comic book Yeti, we, we moved away from all that. We can't, we can't be having that and supporting, supporting all the hate, even if they choose to do so. But it is, it is, it is a great platform by design.

[01:05:02] So I'm bummed that it went that direction. I mean, the only, the only reason I set up a Substack was because they paid me a bunch of money. Like I was a total sellout or whatever, like a few years back. And I pretty much, I pretty much took the money and ran. Like I hardly did anything, like any work on the book that I was supposed to be working on.

[01:05:28] Um, but yeah, you know, they paid me like six figures and I was just like, yoink. Yeah. It was good. Yeah. Cash in. I mean, comics creators got to do what comics creators got to do. Oh yeah. Absolutely. Well, I always like to wrap up with a shout out and end on a positive note because 2025 has been a bit of a kick in the teeth for all of us. Well, uh, this could be somebody who did something nice for you recently or something that inspired you. And I'll go first to kind of give you a minute to think about that.

[01:05:58] For me, it's been two things. I've been obsessed with opossums lately and doing this weird tangential deep dive on YouTube, sort of learning about the animal. And cause I had this impression of them that they're, well, they are ugly. I'm just, I'm gonna put that out there. They're ugly creatures, but I don't think so. See, I like them. But, but you think Lauren is the best werewolf. That's true. I mean, come on.

[01:06:23] Um, but yeah, I've been doing the deep dive with opossums, which has just been a lot of fun. They either. I wanted to know first and foremost, do they indeed eat a lot of ticks or is this just a myth? And they do. And I hate to tell you with a passion. Yeah. Absolutely. Passionate about destroying all ticks. I'm a, I'm a tree hugger at heart, but all ticks should die. So thank you. Oh, possums for, for that. That's, that is my positivity.

[01:06:49] Uh, the other thing was just the, the, the new telescope and the images that are coming out, uh, that we've never seen before about galaxies. And it's absolutely amazing. Like as a former photographer, the biggest, uh, camera lens in the world now. Uh, and the way there you, I have to go look it up. I'm sorry, but it's in Chile and they've, they've got brand new pictures of it that are plastered over the internet. So it'd be easy to find, but it's just, it's just really cool.

[01:07:19] Oh God. Okay. What are positive stuff? Anything. Your, your cat is quiet for the interview. Like people don't understand how much noise your cat was making before it started. Look at him. He's behaving so well. He deserves a treat. Yeah. He's a, he's a bad boy. Um, God, as soon as I like get off the call with you, I'm going to be like, that's what I should have said. You should have said because you're going to break your no carb diet thing and you're

[01:07:49] going to have Barry super girl cereal. That's what's happening. God, I really want to. It's like cereal is, it's like, like I never get full, uh, eating cereal, you know? I've never tried, but if I could, I would try. Yeah. Like I never get full. Like I, I can all, like I could have like four bowls of this stuff and not be full and still have room for like a regular meal, which I would then get full on, you know? Yeah. Yeah.

[01:08:21] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What's, what's a positive thing? Um, I just bought, I bought some, cause I'm like very out of room for all my toys and stuff. And there's like, there's like toys like on the floor over here, like, like waiting for shelf space. Um, but I recently bought a set of antique shelves from tattooed soap, which on Etsy.

[01:08:47] And she told me that because I bought these shelves for like a couple hundred bucks, he was able to spend that money on a rescue kit, which he sent me pictures of. So that was, that was very nice. I was glad that I could help with that. Yeah. Um, cause my, my cat was a rescue kitten. My, my sister found him like abandoned in a box on the side of the road or whatever. So, you know, it was, our, our, our doggies are rescue doggies too.

[01:09:16] So we have one that's, she's 14, maybe 15, but we got her from the only no kill shelter in Mexico. So we were in San Diego at the time. So she's our old girl and she's doing well. And then Lulu came from a, a rescue that the dogs unfortunately had to be rescued from that was in Mississippi. It hit national news. I won't go into the details because it's horrifying, but she was in rough shape when

[01:09:41] we got her and now she is delightfully weird and her full personality is, is, is expressed because she is back to health. So that's awesome. That's great. I'm glad to hear that. Um, well, I think that's my only positive thing. Everything else is terrible. No, well, we, we don't have to get into all of that, at least not in the interview. We could talk about terrible after we're, we're wrapped up, but the super girl is, is

[01:10:10] wonderful issue three hit shelves on July 9th. I think that was the last I saw. Is that right? I actually don't know. You don't know how common that is when I ask people and they're like, I have no idea. Yeah. Like when people start like adding me on, on blue sky or whatever, I'm like, Oh, that's Oh, my issues out today. Like, nice. Yay. I'm just like, you know, we work, you know, we work not like, I mean, I should be working for farther ahead than I am, but.

[01:10:41] I get like, you know, I'm just fully absorbed with like the next issue, the next issue, you know, like that kind of thing. And I just completely tune out from like the, the, the release dates and stuff. Yeah. I mean, that's normal. That is until you, you're totally tuned in until you talk to other people and then you get new ideas and you're going to start over and trash everything. Done. Yeah. Okay. Got it.

[01:11:07] But make sure anyway, to pick it up and give Sophie a leash on this. And so she can inject all the Supergirl references that are possible. Yeah. We'd love to see them all. I'm trying. Well, you're doing a great job. Thank you. And Sophie, thanks for hanging out with me on the show today. It's been a lot of fun. Yeah, absolutely. Thanks for having me. Of course. Well, this is Byron O'Neill on behalf of all of us at Comic Book Yeti. Thanks for tuning in and we will see you next time. Take care, everybody.

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