Travis Gibb Interview - Holiday Spirits: The Monster Special

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[00:01:25] And, yeah, we have a lot of fun stuff to talk about because he always has a million irons in the fire, as they say. And he's got a ton of cool stuff. And so, please, welcome back to the podcast, Travis Gibb. Travis, how are you doing today? Good, good, good. I'm super excited to be here. You know, it being musical season, so we've got Wicked coming. You know, if you haven't seen it, I haven't seen the second part yet. So that's super exciting. We got one of the Harry Potter kids are back on Harry Potter.

[00:01:54] Meatloaf died, so there's no new Meatloaf news. But lots of new Dawson's Creek news. Yeah, there is. There is a lot of Dawson's Creek news. Not all of it good. I know James Van Der Beek is going through treatment right now, but I did see that... I don't think he's going to make it. Oh, come on. You're starting the podcast with that? You don't think James Van Der Beek's going to make it? I mean, the dude is selling his personal stuff after doing a benefit concert. Not within 30 days, man.

[00:02:23] Like, it's not looking... Things are not looking good for our hero, as they would say. You know what? I thought that benefit was very nice. And although here's... I thought it was very sweet. For some reason, and I know that, like, I think the crowd was very excited that the Dawson part was going to be read by Lin-Manuel Miranda. I thought it should have been somebody like Mark Paul Gosselaar. Like somebody else who had a series like that.

[00:02:51] In our head, Lin-Manuel is older than Dawson. Even though they are probably the exact same age, if we ask them. I don't know off the top of my head. They're probably the same age, but in our head, right? Dawson's younger because, you know, he grew up with us and we are naturally younger. Where Lin-Manuel, he's only about eight years into our life, right? Yeah. Yeah. No, it does... Yeah, I agree. I agree with all of that.

[00:03:19] But yeah, I have not seen Wicked Part 2 yet, but I will. I'm going to. I got to see the musical on Broadway. I really enjoyed it. And I thought Wicked Part 1 was great. I thought Ariana Grande, Cynthia Erivo killed it. This is my first entry. I've never seen it on Broadway. I have always missed it. I've just never spent the money. I've had many opportunities. It's just like, you know, when you're in Orlando, when you're in a busy metropolitan, you're in a city too, right?

[00:03:49] You're in a city, right? If I'm not mistaken. Well, I'm right out. I'm in Wilmington, Delaware, but I grew up in Delco right outside of Philly. Right. So like, you know, when you go to the city, the season has six great shows, right? It's not just one. So, you know, you can't afford all of them. You just can't. So you pick the one that you want, you know, you can only go like two a year, you know? So you pick the two and it's just easier to pick what you know, right? Then to try something new most of the time.

[00:04:19] Yeah, it depends. It's like, I understand that, that aspect to it. Although right now, I think in Philly, Back to the Future, the musical is going to be on soon. And I didn't get to see that when it was in New York. And then my, my oldest, Charlotte, she's 13 and she had to read The Outsiders for school. And so I know next May, May of 2026, I think The Outsiders is coming to fit. The musical is coming to Philly.

[00:04:49] So I think we're going to try and make it a point to go see that in Philly. But I'm not familiar with that music at all. So we'll, we'll see. I also see a lot of stuff because I have friends that still do community theater. So I just got to see, not that long, a couple months ago, I went and saw my friend in Dirty Rotten Scoundrels, the musical. He did that in Delco. And I got to see that. And he was great. He was great. The show was a lot of fun.

[00:05:16] And, you know, going, going to, going to somewhere in like Ridley or Swarthmore in Delco to see a musical is a lot less expensive than going to New York. We just saw Little Shop of Horror for the first time. And my wife is a huge fan, has a tattoo. So she was stoked. And it's one of those theaters that, you know, we just haven't been back to in a while. And, you know, they re-vent it, redid everything. So it was really nice. Great cast. Really, really good cast.

[00:05:45] In fact, one of the cast members was in my last time I went to this theater was Rent and she was my favorite Joanne out of all. Like I saw on Broadway, my favorite Joanne out of all is this local theater lady. She's just really good. She gets the part, you know. Awesome. And I saw original cast. I saw original cast. Yeah. That is impressive. Yeah. I saw the original cast of Rent and I, yeah, that show was incredible.

[00:06:12] But to say that, you know, you have a favorite Joanne, that's, she must be amazing. Right. Yeah. Yeah. We're six minutes in and we haven't talked about comics. I do comics for a living. Just nobody talks to theater about me. People who are bored. I hope you didn't sign off. There's like a couple that are probably like, no, you can talk more about, about music. Let's, let's, let's get into it. You didn't mention something about where's Book of Mormon. Somebody's going to see Book of Mormon, right?

[00:06:42] Yeah. Or, hey, look, we can, we can talk about musical episodes of television. How about that? Like the, the Buffy did a musical episode. Sure. Grubs did a musical episode. Like we can talk about that. That's fine too. So, so that folks still tune in. We are going to talk about, yes, comics, comics. Um, so recently, you know, you've kickstarted a couple of things recently, um, which I thought were pretty interesting projects. I mean, just recently, let's talk about some of them.

[00:07:12] You had the complete series of Voodoo nations. Uh, you had bubblegum razor. And I think the most recent one was re roll a comedy RPG adventure. And I know you have a couple others, uh, launching soon that we'll talk about, but I was most curious about, about re roll because I think, you know, in terms of some of the stuff that comics does

[00:07:36] well, you know, like superheroes and I think fantasy and even a lot of science fiction stuff. There are some areas that I think are, are, are tougher to do. Horror, I think can be one of them. Like there's plenty of great horror comics, but there's some things you lose in a comic that are hard, you know, the tricks of the horror trade in terms of movies or television, like, like jump scares and things along those lines.

[00:08:03] I also think music can be a big part of horror or, or sound design generally, which you, you can lose in a comic. Although sometimes you'll get a really great letter and some sound effects and do some interesting things with pacing and tone. Um, but comedy I think is probably the hardest. Uh, I just think it can be so tough in terms of the writing of it in terms of like, there's so much relied upon with delivery delivery timing.

[00:08:32] Comedy can be tough. Uh, I, I think, uh, you can, you, you, you can disagree, but. Why did you want to tackle something like re-roll a comedy, you know, RPG? Is that an area that you're interested in? Is that something you wanted to try? Like what in particular about that was something that you wanted to go into next? You know, as I get older and reflecting on my life, you know, I did a big, uh, sub stack about this.

[00:08:59] I thought, I realized that there's a period between 2007 to, uh, to, you know, 2018 where I disappear from comics, you know, I raised my daughter, but, but during that time I was storytelling. So I was running live action role-playing games, uh, werewolf, uh, particular vampire masquerade, uh, LARPing. So I, the extra geeky, right? It wasn't just tabletop Dungeons and Dragons folks. We, we went extra geeky at all cost them all thing.

[00:09:28] Uh, and it was a big deal for me. I mean, I had hundreds of people coming to my games. This wasn't like a thing. I did large scale events. Like we, I, it was kind of a big deal. Um, and I dismiss it. I dismiss it a lot in my life, even though like, if it's just a reflection of, I can't help, but not tell stories, right? Like I have to tell stories, even though I was raising my daughter and I wasn't doing comics, I was still devoting tons of my time writing.

[00:09:57] Those stories are for far less people than my goal for comics, but I was still telling stories. Um, and I'm sorry, but a hundred, a hundred or more people at, you know, like one of those vampire masquerade or werewolf or LARPing events like that. That's yeah. Yeah. So that's unbelievably impressive. That's nothing to shake a stick at. Yeah. No, our, so my local game, when I was running it at the prime was about 50 to 60 players regular. That's just local Florida players.

[00:10:27] And then when I did events, they're anywhere from 100 to 200. And then we did the major events. Cause I was part of an organizations. It was thousands of people. And I was in charge of thousands of people doing some of that stuff. So I, it was, it's a, it was a big thing for me and it was a big passion of buying. And I just gave it up one day too. Like it was, it went like the minute comics came back, I was just like, yeah, I'm good. I'm going to do comic and we're talking about LARPing. I apologize if I offend anybody out there, but I'm not afraid to offend people.

[00:10:56] If you haven't been paying attention, there comes an age where you become the creepy guy flirted with the golf girl. And I never wanted to be that guy. Cause I always looked at those guys going, that's weird. I don't like that. So when I started seeing myself going to that age, I was like, this, this hobby's got to retire. I got to switch to tabletop and you know, go, go from there. But so many people in the Kickstarter market, and I'm sure you've had some of them on your

[00:11:22] show, at least one or two, they want to take their Dungeons and Dragons game and make it into a comic. Right. They're like, I had this great Dungeon that my friend, blah, blah, blah. No offense to you guys. It's boring. That's boring to me. Nobody cares about your D and D game. I'm sure it was great, but it wasn't a Lord of the Rings. Right. It wasn't Game of Thrones. Like, um, so I kind of wanted to, to tell stories from that genre, but I didn't want to do that. So I wanted to talk about the playing of RPGs, the passion and the people in it who are obsessed

[00:11:51] because there's some people who are just massively obsessed about it. Uh, they tend to be power gamers. They tend to take these things way, way more serious than they need to be. You know, what I going back to the LARP thing. There was days where I'd be on the phone, just arguing with people about rules that I did on the Friday night when I ran the game that they didn't agree with. And they're pulling out like 20 books to argue with me. And I'm like, it's over. And a lot of times it didn't even matter. They just wanted to be like these things. So I wanted to kind of talk about that.

[00:12:20] Um, I also wanted to talk about growing up, you know, I thought about when I started role playing, you know, my first character was named Lucifer, you know, cause I thought it was cool, you know? Uh, so I wanted to talk about all these things that of that is growing up. And like, I wanted to also comment on society, right. Uh, where we don't get held responsible for the things we do right on the internet. Like you, you kind of like do something, get away with it. So though this isn't about the internet, I'm using kind of the same thing.

[00:12:49] You did all these things in a role playing game that were kind of shitty. Like if you play Dungeons and Dragons, you just murder a village and you don't have any repercussions. Well, what if you have to deal with the repercussions? And that's what re-roll is about. So, uh, he was a douche. He had characters that were not fun, that, that were not fun for other players that were not fun for stuff. And he's going to have to deal with the repercussions of that. Cause all of these role playing characters come to life. Yeah. I mean, I know. I think it's like a, you know, a metaphor or an analogy.

[00:13:17] It does work great because there is like, we've all seen it. You've been on, if you've been on the internet for any length of time or been on social media, you see that there seems to be a set of individuals who act as though anything they say they're, they're, they're not, it's not real life or the, or at least there are things that they

[00:13:41] will type in a, a comment or a post that they would never say to a person's face. And, and we all know that, that, that is, that that is true, that there is some level of bravado or arrogance or stupidity that seems to, or ignorance that seems to insulate folks when they are behind a screen and, and the keyboard. Um, and yeah, most often nobody calls them out on it.

[00:14:09] Nobody, you know, they, they can not read what the post that somebody says. And there are very few repercussions to just kind of be in an ass, you know, sometimes. Um, yeah, I know. I, I, I think that's a, like a fantastic idea, but why in terms of the comedy of it though, when you had the idea, you're, you know, that just the kernel of an idea for a story like this.

[00:14:36] Um, cause you know, you, you could take it and make it a very serious story. You could make it a horror story. Why push for comedy? Why, why kind of just, you know, stretch and, and, and really, you know, work that muscle in terms of writing something comedic. So there's a, there's a few reasons why. Um, I think, uh, one, what people resonate for me as a fan, right? People resonate with Granite State Punk, uh, probably out of all my work. And it's because though he rants, he's funny.

[00:15:05] He's, he's got this humor to him, his, this style. So I wanted to lean on things that I know I'm good at, that I can get. I know that Granite State Punk is not a primary comedy book, but you write, you read it because you're amused of what Zeke is saying, what he's doing, how he responds to things. So I wanted to play with that. The other thing, you know, we have die. Die is a, the most serious repercussions of something for role-playing game. That's, that's been done and it's fucking good. It's really good. Like, die is really good. Yeah.

[00:15:35] If you, if you haven't listeners go read, uh, die by, uh, Kieran Gillen and, uh, Stephanie Hans. And I think they just right. And right now, like just came out. Last week. Yeah. Recent series, like die re reloaded. Which is a weird name, but that's, that's fine. Um, literally I love die so much. I bought the RPG. I don't plan on playing the RPG because it's weird to have an RPG because it had four pages of die. I was like, I'll read these four new pages. I'm super excited. Yeah.

[00:16:04] I mean, I, I, that's like, I mean, I, I, I, yesterday I spent all day at PAX unplugged in Philly, which yeah. You know, my friend, Dan, Dan Nixon, who is like our DM when we play Dungeons and Dragons. And I I've mentioned Dan on the podcast before he's been on the podcast and, um, he loves to go. He goes like all three days and we go some of us that play D and D for like one day and just play games all day. But yeah, the, the, the level of RPG stuff and games.

[00:16:33] And I, I, I love playing a lot of them. I don't mind if there's like a ton of, you know, there's a big rule book. We played a game yesterday called Pulitzer, which has like a 25 page rule book. It was very complicated to get into. We played it for like three hours. It was a lot of fun. The tabletop game. But what I get fascinated by, you know, especially in terms of thinking about this podcast and

[00:16:56] having creators on is I am just fascinated with the idea of game mechanics and, and creating a game. And so to think with die to not only write a comic, but then, you know, here in talks about the game mechanics and creating his own RPG. Um, that shit fascinates me. Like I cannot like wrap my, my head around it, whether or not it's a tabletop game or

[00:17:24] like an RPG, like the writing of it is a lot of fun, but the rules of it. I'm just kind of like mystified by it. So, but, but that's what writing is, you know, writing is a puzzle. If you study any, any famous writer, most of them have some sort of game thing that they're that cause it's figuring out how these things fit and how it makes it work and how it all pieces it together. You know, um, making a story and making it last, you know, it's very different.

[00:17:51] It's if you go to like why Cthulhu invades and why not, not the one that you did, but the ones prior to that, because there's one narrative that goes through them all. The reason why I was good at that is because of the skills from RPGs. I knew how to get their story to tell mine, right? I have a story. I have a vision. I cast a big vision. They have a little part of it. I know how to bend that to, to make my story better and to, to build it. What parts of it are important to pull what threads to make it a strong narrative.

[00:18:21] Um, and I actually just went back and read them all. And like, you can significantly read it because we're redoing Oz. That's a spoiler of something we're probably going to talk about in a minute. We're redoing Oz. Neverland, like Neverland is twice the book story-wise that Oz ever was. Cause I, I figured it out and how to, how to narrate it. And you know, that's what I'm doing with re-roll is taking all these things that people love. All these tropes that I know about that only people who know about it and care about it can speak about. Right?

[00:18:51] Like I talk about in the first issue, we talk about FACO for, for Dungeons and Dragons. We talk about, uh, you know, the stack for magic and blocks and stairs. We talk about things that geeks really care about and fight about. And I put it in a comic and go, we are ridiculous. Why are we talking about this? Why is it so important? You know, right before we got on, I talked about how I started playing Spider-Man magic and everyone hates it. Right? Everyone hates it.

[00:19:19] And it's just funny to me because I'm like, this is why I love it is because I can play what I care about Spider-Man more than I care about magic. And you guys care more about magic and the lore of magic and what's important of that. And I care about being able to attack somebody with Spider-Man. And it's funny that I summon him with planes. It's weird, but I can do it. It's wait. Why does, why does everyone hate it?

[00:19:44] I, I, I, having never played magic, uh, I'm not, I don't, I don't know into the lore of it, but why, why is it, are people mad that Spider-Man is now part of magic?

[00:19:53] Yeah. So, so magic as a whole, there's traditionalists. They, they want, they want the magic has its own lore and universe and stuff like that. So they've been pumping out these sets, these other sets, Final Fantasy and Lord of the Rings and all these things. Well, Spider-Man is the first like New York, like superhero. It's, it doesn't look good with your cards, right? Everything else prior to that kind of fits. Cause they've got like a fantasy and sci-fi mix. So they've got Final Fantasy, you know, that's, there's enough fantasy in there that it fits.

[00:20:22] Spider-Man is superheroes in New York city. Like it does not look like a, a ranger, you know, or orc that you have on the table. So that's the biggest issue. The other thing is, um, magic rightfully so thought they were going to make a lot of money. It didn't work out, but they thought it was going to make a lot of money. So they added like a hundred cards to this set that wasn't necessary. And what they did is they grabbed the spider verse. So literally the whole spider versus here, man.

[00:20:51] Like all of them, you know, from some spider pong to spider, Gwen, uh, you know, spider girl to the whole gambit, Scarlet spider crane, sun spider, like all the different ones, spider hands, spider meow, like the whole thing's spiders, man. Um, and because of that, a lot of them are not really well thought out or flushed out. And a lot of the people who re who are playing magic.

[00:21:17] Like aren't that deep cut in the comics either. So they're like, why are there all these spider people that I don't care about? You know, they've watched, you know, uh, into the multiverse, but beyond that, they, they don't know, you know? Yeah. But you're enjoying it though. Right. Here's what makes it great. All right. First, I had to adjust. You buy a pack of cards for 70 bucks. Now who the fuck allowed that? Like that's on you guys. Magic players. You guys should have bought those. That's the fact that that's a thing. Now it was crazy. I would never get somebody else.

[00:21:43] But because it's not doing well, Jimmy, I can buy all the cards for like nothing right now. Like I'm doing very, very well. And I assume because I know basics of magic pricing. I was like, there's no way I can afford this and my comics hobby, but I'm going to get it. Oh, as I can afford it because you guys hate it. So thank you magic players.

[00:22:07] Oh, that's, that's fantastic. Um, all right. Well, you, you've mentioned it, but, uh, so let's, let's talk about the Cthulhu invades Oz, the, the second edition. So, you know, you, you just mentioned a little bit that like the, the one after this, I think the Cthulhu invades wonderland or, or neverland was like you, you felt was, I guess, better or more coherent.

[00:22:29] Like story wise in terms of the overarching narrative, cause you had figured it out. Oz was the first one, right? Um, why now do the, the, the second edition and kind of what, what is it you're, you're adding to it or tweaking with it? Yeah, those are great questions. So, so it's been five years, which is crazy that it's been five years since it came out. We have this movie that we talked about earlier, Wicked that's coming out right now, which is a good time. So Oz is very popular. Um, but the main reason is, um, it keeps selling out.

[00:22:58] Over and over again, I have to buy these small copies of it. And I had always planned on going back if it did well. Like that was always a plan from day one. I, I left out the gnome King. I left out Patchwork Girl. Characters that are, people love. I mean, both of those have comics right now, right? Patchwork Girl is in the image. Uh, the gnome King is a big villain. And, uh, what is it? Ultimate Oz from AEW or AWE?

[00:23:21] A, uh, AWA. AWA, right. A-W-E. A-E-W is a wrestling. Uh, it is. Right. Okay. Too many A's. Uh, um, so I wanted to go back to it and make it a more coherent story.

[00:23:36] All right. So I added some stuff into it to make that. We're adding six new stories, all five pages each. Fleshing out the story so it feels better. Giving one of the things that I didn't do in the early, earlier versions is I was like, all right, one person gets to write Dorothy. So Dorothy doesn't really show up again in the book until the end. Um, so she's in the beginning and the end, but she's not really in the book. But you know, people buy that book for Dorothy. Dorothy's the main character. I didn't know how to do that back then. I know how to do it now. So you'll get some more Dorothy and Tin Man and Woods. You're going to get all these characters that you love. Uh, we've also,

[00:24:06] there's this girl. Have I ever told you about Emily Reset? No, I don't think so. This is great. This is, this is one of the coolest things. If you back Cthulhu Invades, if you've, you've been following it, she started doing it when she was 14 years old. Cause you know, these books take a year to make. So it's a year before it came out. So she drew Dorothy, the first story in that, that was her first comic work. Um, I think her first, maybe her second, but she drew Dorothy at 14. That's the age of Dorothy in the book.

[00:24:33] She then do, did Wonderland with us. She was 16 years old, same age as Alice. She then at 18 did Neverland, same age as Wendy. So she's grown up with this book. And as she's grown up, she became such a fantastic artist. So we're going back at her age now, having to redo the Dorothy story that she did in the beginning when she was 14 with brand new art and, uh, what she can do now versus then.

[00:24:58] So just little things like that, really making this a love letter to what we, what came before giving back to the fans with more content and honestly helping me print books. Cause you know, you guys keep buying them. They keep selling out. I need, I need to buy a bigger stock because it's, it's five years old. So this allows us to do that and, um, and, and tell some new stories in it. So I've got some new people who've never

[00:25:22] read in the book. Uh, it's going to be a lot of fun. And like I said, Pat for girl, a gnome King, uh, the bun rabbits, a whole bunch of really cool characters. Oh, hungry tiger. So some characters, if you read, yeah, they're all this, this really guts the, the mate, all the major characters are now in the book, uh, as of, as of this. Oh, that's fantastic. Yeah. And listeners, I mean, I, I know I've talked about before when Travis has

[00:25:46] been on or, uh, I'm sure Bobby and I mentioned it when we do our Baltimore comic-con episodes the past two years, but yeah, the Cthulhu Invades series is they're, they're fantastic. I mean, they really are wonderful, not just because of the types of stories you're going to get. And then if you're a fan of Oz, if you're a fan of Neverland, a fan of Wonderland or the Cthulhu Invades fairy tales, like

[00:26:10] regardless of what it is you're a fan of, like you're, you're really seeing some like incredible, like indie comic writers and artists. And so many of them, because of like the, the, the size of these books, you're really getting like a wide range of comic styles. And, uh, that yeah, they're, they're definitely some of the best comic anthologies that, that are, that are out there that you can find, especially if you're a fan of, of indie comics in particular.

[00:26:40] Um, thank you. You're welcome. You're quite welcome. Uh, so the other one I saw, which I am, I'm really excited about, uh, because this is right up my alley, the holiday spirits monster special, which looks like some folks who I am such a huge fan of writing monsters and, you know, especially for this podcast cryptids, uh, it looks awesome. I was so excited to see some of the folks that you have doing this,

[00:27:09] uh, holiday spirits. What can you, can you tell me a little bit more and, and, and listeners, um, yeah, about it. Uh, what I didn't want to say before we start, like just to give listeners real quick. Um, but like Eric Balicki and Pete Collins are doing, are doing Dracula. Uh, David Andrew and Sierra Florence are doing Charon. Um, Rob Pilkington, Kevin Castanero are doing spring-heeled Jack. Yeah. I'm so, I'm so excited for this book.

[00:27:38] Yeah. No, um, I, I did pick my favorite friends. Uh, like I picked, uh, the best people to do it. So a couple of reasons why this book came up. I was done with holiday spirits, uh, for Christmas in July. I may even said it last time we're on that it was going to be the end sales on it. Aren't amazing. There's not, unlike, uh, the Cthulhu's, it doesn't have like a running cast of characters to kind of help it. Right. Cause it's whatever horror stories you want. So

[00:28:01] it's got Krampus, but beyond Krampus is really not things that people like latch onto. So I was at a con, um, no, I was at, at a tabling my show about a year ago, uh, but, but a year to the day actually. Uh, and someone came up to me with a Frankenstein t-shirt and he was wearing a Santa hat. I, it was just so funny to me. I don't know why, but it, you ever just have something that's just kind of like you look at something. You're like, that is really funny to me. I don't know why

[00:28:28] it's not that funny, but it just, it tickles me in the right way. So I had this vision and you haven't seen the cover yet. I'm not showing the cover to anybody yet, uh, of Frankenstein with a coffee mug and a Christmas sweater looking at the mob coming to him. And I was like, that's a cover of a frigging book. I need to make this book. Let's give holiday spirits one more run. And what we're going to do is we're going to pick all the public domain monsters. Do what Cthulhu does best, right?

[00:28:58] You pick your favorite stories that you love and let's see what happens at Christmas. So the prompt was, tell me what Frankenstein does at Christmas. Tell me what Dracula does at Christmas. Tell me what a wolf man and Loch Ness monster. And like, tell me what it is. And I, I call my, all my friends who are, are the greatest people in comics have been like, look, we're going to do this cool book. Uh, this could be the last holiday spirits. If this, if this works, we'll probably do more like

[00:29:28] this, but let's, let's do it. Let's put it together. Let's, let's have fun with it. Um, and I wanted to get in the cryptid scene for a long time, but there's a lot of people doing it. And I want to be, um, respectful to the cryptic people because, um, so many people do it as cash grabs because there's, there's a fan base there. So I wanted to do it in taking, uh, I already have a fan base for holiday spirits. I already have people who love that. So let's take that and let's add to the cryptids,

[00:29:54] but not try to reinvent the wheel. Let's do something fun with them. Let's use their lore. Uh, but, but not, um, not make it a whole thing, right? Like not make it, uh, uh, Cthulhu invades cryptics or whatever, you know, let's, let's give it, let's let them be on their own and do their cool stuff. So that's how it came to be. I'm super stoked about it. Uh, it's going to come around around, uh, so that's our December release. So it's going to be around Christmas.

[00:30:20] We're doing, uh, Cthulhu, uh, Cthulhu should be late November and then that'll be that, but we've got some amazing talent on there. I mean, it's, it's, it's so good. I'm so excited. I did see your post, but we wish you were in it. I was, I was, I, I usually, I, I do very well with, I think both rejection and, and jealousy, but I did see that. And I was like, I was like, you know what? Out of all the anthologies that have

[00:30:47] come and gone, um, that one would have been pretty cool to be in, but yeah, the talent in it is, uh, insane. Uh, CJ Hudson and Jared Lockhart are doing mummy. Frank Martin and Gerald von Stoddard are doing, uh, Jack the Ripper. Uh, Lewis Southard is doing Baba Yaga. Marcus on, uh, Nazo and Jason Muir are doing Grendel. Um, it's not, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's a mix of monsters and cryptids. Michael McCarthy and Chris Matt are doing Loch Ness. I'm just shouting out some of the folks that I know.

[00:31:17] Madeline Rosen's doing Medusa with that gambit. Yeah. Oh, it's good. Oh yeah. Daniel Calvin, Brian Wolf are doing Phantom of the Opera. Uh, Randy Stone is doing, uh, Koshi the Deathless. I don't know who that, that monster. So I'm looking forward to learning about that. Oh, and Marcus Jimenez and Brent Fisher doing Dr. Jekyll, Mr. Hyde. T.S. Luther and Fish Lee are doing Bigfoot. Yeah. I, I, I don't know if I left anybody off, but yeah, um, I was trying to go through most of them, but yeah, it's just,

[00:31:44] uh, that sounds, that sounds wonderful. Um, I, I can't wait. I'm so excited to see that and, uh, to read that one because that sounds perfect. So very excited that you decided to do holiday spirits. And you know what? Uh, shout out to that guy with the Frankenstein shirt and the Santa hat like walked up to you, you know, I don't want to give it up. So holiday spirits, you know, it's,

[00:32:08] it's not, it's my book, but it, so Jerome came to me, Hey, I want to do another anthology. I really enjoyed working on Cthulhu. How about Christmas stories? And he came to me and I said, man, that's, I remember replying to him and going, that's kind of basic. Like I need more. So then we wrapped around the, the past president future storyline in it to make it like a little bit more like Cthulhu. So it had this kind of overlapping story. Um, but it felt forced,

[00:32:35] right? It just always felt forced. We did three books, volumes of that. It kind of felt forced. And then we've been doing the Christmas and July specials and we just did a Thanksgiving special. It just felt forced, but this one felt right. You know, we haven't played with the universe, the monsters. We haven't played with the cryptids, you know, orange cone hasn't, this is a perfect opportunity to do it, uh, in a book that I think is evergreen, right? People love holiday stuff and they love the, the, those cryptids. So let's, let's do that.

[00:33:03] Let's have fun with it. Yeah. Yeah. And, and the monster stuff too is always, has always been popular. Monsters have never fallen out of favor in, oh, I don't know, a couple hundred years. Right. All right, everybody, we're going to take a quick break. We'll be right back. Y'all, Jimmy, the chaos goblin strikes again. I should have known better than to mention I was working on my DC universe meets Ravenloft hybrid D and D campaign on social media. My bad. He goes

[00:33:31] and tags a bunch of comics creators we know. And now I have to get it in gear and whip this campaign into shape so we could start playing. Another friend chimes in, are you going to make maps? It's fair to say it's been a while since I put something together. So I guess question mark. It was then that I discovered Arkham Forge. If you don't know who Arkham Forge is, they have everything you need to make your TTRPG more fun and immersive, allowing you to build play

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[00:34:26] Arkham Forge for partnering with our show. I think I'm going to make Jimmy play a goblin warlock just to get even. Welcome back. All right. So lastly, I want to, you know, I wanted to hit on and talk a little bit about Summit and what can you tell listeners? There's like Summit's been teasing a ton of stuff. What can you tell us about Summit? Because I don't think we've really talked about it here on

[00:34:52] the podcast. So tell me about it. Tell me about Summit. Tell me about this new universe that is going to rival the big two. That's, that's what I, that's what the internet tells me. That's what the internet tells me. Um, and, and the, also the other part of the internet tells me how bad the big two are doing all the time. So, I mean, it's gotta be right. Correct. Based on the internet, it's clearly a slam dunk. Like they hate the big two. They tell me all the time.

[00:35:21] Yeah. Unless you put like an absolute or ultimate, uh, in front of it, they just hate it. Like you gotta, all of our old characters need better adjectives. That's the problem. Amazing, spectacular. We're not doing it for Spider-Man. You need an ultimate. All our adjectives are outdated. We knew we need new adjectives and then everything will be fine. It'll save everything. Yeah. And that's, they're running out because I'm pretty positive X-Men has used every adjective you can for their teams.

[00:35:51] Well, X-Men started with like uncanny, which is, you know, not kind of an, an odd choice, uh, to begin with. So they didn't have a lot of places to go. Um, after you start with uncanny, um, right now, but so to tell listeners about, about summit. It's a tough one because I don't want to reveal too much. I also want to be candid. I want to talk about, I have been, let me, let me tell you a quick story, you know, get to it. That'll be tough. So since I've been doing this five or six years,

[00:36:22] every three months, someone has asked me to join them in a publishing company, combine our efforts. We're going to make a fit, right? We're going to be the next thing. We're going to be the next image. And then the next one comes, we're going to be this thing. And then some of them I've said no, and I've watched them go and crash and burn, you know, and I've seen everything. And then, uh, someone said, Hey, you've got upheaval. Uh, CJ Hudson goes, Hey, I've got granite. And, uh,

[00:36:48] Devin goes, Hey, I've got, um, uh, nor, uh, what if we combine them in one universe? And I was like, you know what? Superheroes are meant to play. They they're, they're just meant to play together. Right. Uh, other things aren't, but they aren't. So we, we first, the first call we made was Marcus Gemma. So I was like, Hey, you like to play with superheroes. You know, your Dauntless is always given out as a superhero here and there. Let's, let's talk. And then it became a thing. And we

[00:37:16] built this whole universe, Daniel Calvin, you know, his American dream and all that started putting it together. And we formed, uh, this, this new company that we're calling summit comics. Um, and what it is, it's like superhero universe. It's kind of run like image, but it's run for Kickstarter. So we're going to use a opposite model, Marvel model of Marvel and DC. So in

[00:37:39] Marvel and DC, everything is leading up to an event. That event is, uh, 46 issues between 12 titles. Right. And, uh, you know, you hope you get the start with the main book, but always one or two of those tie-ins were important for you to understand everything. We're in 2025. Um, if you're starting from scratch, how can we do that? So what we've decided to do is we've decided to create this universe, which is going to have a couple of different folds to it. We have tons of new superheroes.

[00:38:06] We have 20 people. We, I think we have over 60 superheroes right now in our universe. We're going to do yearly books. These yearly books are going to are the first one is called pinnacle origins. Um, uh, and then the pinnacle year two year three, those are our vets, but unlike you picking up all these titles and tie-ins, there may be tie-ins, but it's going to be in one graphic novel every year, which combines all the characters in this universe. You're not going to see tons of stuff.

[00:38:33] What, what are the problems with indie comics? When you talk about superheroes is they always want their cross surface quicker than possible. They're trying to make it special, trying to make it its own thing. Everyone's independent. They're all doing their own books. So we're all coming out with the universe. I think we're going to have, uh, we're going to have at least a monthly title. So some people are breaking out and doing, I had this the first time I pitched it. So I apologize if it's all over the place, people, I'm, I have not mastered my pitch, but I got to learn it because

[00:38:59] we're launching in January. We're going to have a individual titles as well as like a shogun, shogun jump types thing called pinnacle presents, which is, um, going to be like eight short, five short stories, kind of like a shogun jump, like in a manga title. So you'll have little shorts in it that are tying into a big issue is a lot there. It's a lot of superheroes. A lot of superheroes. All right. So everyone is still kind of able to do their, their own thing

[00:39:26] in terms of their characters when, you know, on Kickstarter, in terms of the creators, you're going to have a title that's going to come out with kind of like eight little stories, but then one, there's going to be one graphic novel per year that is kind of like your big event book. Everybody, you know, come into it. But what's cool about it is it's, it's an image model, but it's designed for what you need. So let's say Jimmy, let's say you don't have a lot of money, but you want to play in this universe.

[00:39:55] Cool. You can play in the presents. So you're going to be able to just, we need eight pages every three months, you know, so you can make eight pages every three months. You'll be part of this thing. At the end of it, we'll give you your own issue. We're going to run it on our summit camp on our summit program. You're just going to be paid out of page rate. That's it. Awesome. You could do that. Oh, Travis, you have orange cone production. You don't need a summit to run your stuff. You can do it yourself. Cool. Let's put our branding on it. You go run your

[00:40:24] thing on your campaign. You take your money. You give us a percentage. Do that. Oh yeah, we're bringing in, we're bringing in money. What are we going to do with this extra money? Oh, Hey, why don't we hire people who we think are talented, who deserve work or, or Hey, let's hire artists to do a five deal with us and really showcase these artists and doing these things. So it's allowing us to play some of these big boy games, um, on a very small budget and making

[00:40:52] it fair. And the other thing that's really cool, I can't tell you any of the details of it at all, but we have a character in the book, in the book that's designed for problems. So let's say, Jimmy, you're like, Travis, you fight with people on the internet because people piss you off. That'd be correct. I do that sometimes, Jimmy. You're like, I don't want to be associated with you. Cause you do that. I think that's dumb, Jimmy, but I'm going to allow you to do that.

[00:41:18] We have an exit strategy with a character that can cut you out of the universe. You can keep playing. You didn't hurt us. We didn't hurt you. So we've designed all these things from the start to allow everyone to play for as long as they want, could be able to relieve without drama, to allow everything to be great and move forward. And, uh, with a hundred percent ownership of everything, which is, which is really cool. Wow. I love as an attorney, um, which we're always

[00:41:47] basically trained to when a client comes to us to tell us what, what are the problems, right? Whether you have a new business idea, whether or not you have, you have a case, uh, whatever it is, we're always, uh, even when we're preparing for, for trial, we're always looking for, you know, what are going to be the problems? Where is the other side going to attack if, if it's for trial? But, um, I say that because I love the idea of in case somebody wants to get out, we have,

[00:42:17] we have an in universe game plan. If, if a creator wants to go in a, in another direction, like that's, uh, I, I think that's amazing. I can't, I, you know, I mean, I hope it doesn't happen, but I'm really kind of curious to see how it would all play out like in, in universe, not, you know, not the behind the scenes of it, but yeah, that's the main character. That's the main character. So that's the one character that summit owns is this one character.

[00:42:46] And that one character has the ability to, to get people off the universe. Everybody else, I kind of own their own thing, but we can cut everything out. And we did that, not because we think anybody's going to quit in indie comics. People have expectations, right? For instance, um, I can probably raise more money on an anthology than somebody else who just starts out. And we've seen that, like, and I'm not trying to say that to brag or be at fiscal.

[00:43:11] No, like you have an audience that you've been building for a number of years. Like that makes sense. But I, I don't, but I'll, they don't all see that. So a lot, I think some people are going to be like, I want my superhero to have that summit logo because it's going to equal X dollars. When that doesn't happen, this is an easy way to go, Hey, this didn't work for you. We're going to, we're going to have you do stuff. You own all your stuff. Here you go. We're not going to have any animosity going, we invested in you and blah, blah, blah. This,

[00:43:38] this, we built that exit right there. So in your contract, it'll literally tell you how, how the exit will play out and we will go from there. And it'll be really good for everybody. You know, my goal for this is a very small goal. It's so I looked at Kickstarter superhero books raised between three and five K. Yes. Of course there's outliers of everything, but they don't

[00:44:02] raise a lot of stuff compared to what superheroes as a genre means to the, to the world, right? People love superheroes. They love new superheroes. My goal is that if we get summit to work and people can resonate with summit, that we can get all of these Kickstarters to the five to eight range. I'm not even going to 10, just the five to eight range. So you can afford to put new superheroes out in the world because right now we can't, right? And that's why all of these people who are doing

[00:44:31] Kickstarters who have superheroes, they have more crossovers than they have fucking issues of the book. I apologize if I offended anybody out there. I'm not trying to, and I get it because you need to have this such a few small fan base. What if we found a way to get it to a higher fan base that you don't have to do that. And you can just tell your superhero story because there's some great new superhero stories and way to tell them. I mean, uh, just in the last few years, you know, we have invincible. I mean, that's not the last few years, but we have invincible.

[00:45:01] Radiant black. That's not going anywhere. You know, whether you like it or not, I think it'll be less issues as it goes. Spawn. Todd McFarlane shows that seven spawn books can, can sit in this market. No problem. And do well there there's people haven't fallen out of love with superheroes. Oh no, no, not, not at all. The way people are doing superheroes and the way that they're doing, they're so fast to get to the crossovers and doing these mistakes because we all want to play,

[00:45:30] right? We all want to be writing. I won't be writing Spider-Man and have them team up with Nova and have, have that storyline or whatever, whatever team up, you know, Deadpool and Batman, we've got going on right now. Yeah. People still love a crossover. You mentioned spawn. I had Ryan Parrott, um, who writes rogue son on the podcast recently, who was talking about like what a dream it was for him to, you know, get to talk to Todd and get to use medieval spawn in, uh, in a rogue son book,

[00:46:00] you know, and people are crazy about it. So people, they, they, they still want it. They just, you know, are looking for new inventive ways and new things. And folks are always looking for something they haven't quite seen before too. You know, I think that's a big part of it. Well, and I think it's been a while since we've had a new superhero universe that's made you a promise. And I promise

[00:46:27] we are, we are keeping this, uh, professional. We're, we're making sure that we're giving you the best superhero books that we can. Um, you know, the last big new superhero company I would say is cross gen. Yeah. I'm trying to think of like, uh, of anyone since then. Yeah. I mean, you've had value and get a resurgence and you know, uh, but nobody's tried big superheroes. Hey, we're, we're going to put our thing on the map, you know? Uh, and that's what we're doing. It's primary

[00:46:57] Kickstarter for now, but we are doing a direct market plan. We are planning on hitting cons. We plan on doing some stuff and making it a fun, exciting experience with new superheroes, with new, exciting voices, uh, that you haven't heard before. We haven't even announced all the people who are involved as a lot of people working behind the scenes. The things you guys have seen, have seen is just, just the icing on the cake. Some, uh, you know, um, yeah, there's some, some great new

[00:47:23] talents that we're, we're doing and we're paying them to be part of, you know? And just for, for listeners who, you know, haven't, you know, aren't aware of it, haven't seen anything or, you know, you can follow summit comics on, on, on Facebook or on social media. I'll, I'll put a link, but just like with the, the, you know, the, the holiday spirits, the monster themed, uh, issue we were talking about, I mean, some of the creators and some of the talent, like I was going through it,

[00:47:51] getting ready for this. And I was, I, I thought I had, had heard of most of them just following summit, you know, on Facebook, but you had mentioned CJ Hudson in terms of granite, but there's, there's granite, there's, um, noir, uh, your own, uh, upheaval is, is in this one. There's, and so I've,

[00:48:14] uh, there's Vesper, which is, uh, Daniel Calvin's creation, uh, neoglyph, um, golden sun, the go-to guys. And, and like to see the, the talent of the creative teams behind, you know, these superheroes, both in the writing of it, in terms of the character design, uh, a rebra is another one.

[00:48:39] Uh, the cobalt cricket was one that I really particularly liked when I saw that, I think back in October that Sebastian Piccioni and a co-creator artist, Elias Melendez. Yeah. It's just remarkable. You know, just when you think that like, Oh, all the superheroes that will ever be, uh, have been created and, you know, summit is really, and the creators behind it have come up

[00:49:05] with some interesting characters, interesting concepts and designs. Is there anybody in particular that you can talk about? Like when, when putting this all together that, you know, you've been doing this for a while and you're certainly, you know, extremely well read in terms of the big two and comic book heroes, but was, was there, when there was some character or someone that was this pitch to you that you were just like, yes, that's, that's perfect. Like got you excited?

[00:49:30] Uh, like, and not just the, not just like in like, like the big scope of it, which is certainly terribly exciting. I mean, like as also a fan of comics, was there something in particular that you were like, Oh yes, I cannot wait. You know, not only am I not there, there's been, there's a few characters that I'm super excited about, uh, and where they're going with. Um, I, Adam Barnhart

[00:49:55] is planning a whole universe, a supernatural type universe. I love supernatural stuff, you know, as a writer of Corn's Judas, uh, and I, I'm a big hell boy and, and constant time. He's creating the whole scope of that supernatural universe. Uh, so S bud, he's got some characters. I don't want to blow any of his spots, but he's got some stuff. Cobalt cricket. You know, I asked Sebastian directly to come in and he loves old school, like eighties and nineties superheroes. I was like,

[00:50:24] we need something like that. Um, and one of the things that we've also done is we have a lot of humility. We have a character called Juna, uh, and it's a, it's a powerful black woman. So we went and we spent our money to hire a black. We have the character concept where like this should be written by a strong, powerful black woman. We haven't announced who that is. That's a surprise coming, but there is a strong, powerful black woman, uh, writing that. And we have a, another, uh, I will

[00:50:51] reveal this one. Sarah Cook is working with us. You know, Sarah, she'd been doing the Zelda award. She'd be doing some stuff. She has a character. Again, we have a lot of secrets that we haven't shared as well that I can't talk about, uh, that people think we, we, we don't know about, like, you know, what are the, what are the comments that someone wrote? They're like, now it's a superhero with a lot of, a lot of white people with a lot, not a lot of white people, a lot of men creators. Uh, and I was like, Oh, we, we actually have a whole rollout for that other

[00:51:19] stuff. It's just, it's its own thing. You know, it's trying to plan all these things and making sure it's right, but being inclusive and allowing people to be part of this, um, and figuring out, you know, including people, if you, uh, we just announced the talent search, right? The talent search is the best talent search you could possibly ask for. You're going to create a, Pete Collins created two supervillains that look awesome. You're going to be able to create a,

[00:51:44] a two cage story of origin of them. You will own that character. That character will, you'll be yours. That is your villain. That universe, that villain will come into the summit universe. We will then give you a writer's contract. It'll be one of the three things that we talked about. It could be you running it on your own. It could be part of the, the presents. It could be just part of the story of the next event, having your part, but we're going to hire you as a writer, paid writer to be part of it. And then we're going

[00:52:09] to do the same thing with the artists. We want to involve people and get people stuff. And then after about six months into, into a summit, we're going to open up the doors for submissions of people who have superhero books and want to play in our universe. What does that look like? What does that, how does that do for year two and year three? We just want to, people are really excited, but we just need to show you our plan and our vision. Let us, let us show you the vision. Let us show that we can get you the stuff that we promised you. And then we're going to let people

[00:52:38] play on board. It's, it's not gatekeeping. It's, um, making sure we have something that's worth coming to, uh, before you sign on board, you know, I think it makes a lot of sense. I'm very excited for it. Yeah. The talent search sounds amazing. I'm sure you're going to have a lot of submissions. I'm sure you're going to find some fantastic people, um, who are going to want to be a part of summit. And there's just some, there's some amazing, absolutely amazing indie

[00:53:03] writers and artists out there. So I think that's a phenomenal. Let me say something about this. Cause I know a lot of comic creators listen to this podcast. Um, don't be afraid, um, to submit to that. Like if you, even if you don't think you have a chance, we're going to remove names from the, from the, some, there's one person who can't vote. They're going to be removing names and submitting it all to us so we can look at everything so we can do it as fair as possible. So it's going to be

[00:53:29] based off the story alone of what you submitted. And I've had high level talent who were just like, I want to play. Am I eligible? Yes. You're eligible. I've never written anything before. Yes. You're eligible. Um, however, follow the rules. Cause you've had some people who didn't follow the rules. So you, you've got to follow the rules. You've got the other thing is, um, AI testing is pretty easy to do guys. Come on. Like, come on. Yeah. No, no, no AI. You can do it.

[00:53:57] You can do it. If you like, if you like comics and you like storytelling, tell your story, draw your character. All right. It's two pages. Come on. You can, you can do a guy. I believe in you. Yeah. Um, well, Travis, I, I, I think this sounds amazing. Um, I'll have links in the show notes for everything for, for listeners to check out whether or not it's re-roll or holiday spirits or

[00:54:22] Cthulhu invades Oz, the second edition. Um, you know, checking out everything that summit has coming out, but, uh, you know, and sorry listeners that for the first six or seven minutes, we talked about musicals, but it's going to happen every time Travis and I get together. Yeah. It's better than you listen to the podcast, get really invested. And then we take a half hour in the middle to talk about it. We actually gave you a gift, right? Right. Right. You're not going

[00:54:50] to have to be bored. You're bored in the beginning, you know, uh, but, but you're not stuck to listen to why I think Jim Steinman is the most talented musician of all time. Like you guys didn't worry about that. Right. You'd have to do that. Or, you know, for Travis and I to talk about how, how we're going to try and one day find a way to stage our own version of a bad out of the hell, the musical, you know, I'm willing to invest it. Let's do a Kickstarter right now. Let's, let's do it. Let's, uh, let's see if we can bring it back to the States.

[00:55:21] I agree. I agree. Um, well, Travis, thank you so much, uh, for, for talking with me, uh, listeners, please rate and review us and do all the stuff they tell you to do for podcasts. It really helps. And please check out re-roll check out Cthulhu invades Oz, the second edition, check out holiday spirits, check out all of orange cones books and be on the lookout for more summit announcements. Um,

[00:55:46] yeah, Travis, I, I appreciate everything you do have done for me in terms of my own writing journey. And in terms of everything you do for indie comics, um, I, you know, I, I, I just, I think, I, I, I think you're unbelievably talented. Uh, I love the stuff that you do and yeah, I, I, I think you're, you know, one of the unsung heroes of, of indie comics for the amount of not only chances you've

[00:56:13] given people with the stuff that you've done with orange cone, but like the discord in and of itself and the connections that people are able to make and the advice that is given out in that channel to everybody who has like their first book or been making stuff is in valuable to try to, to have that resource and that, uh, community. And, uh, if listeners have heard that before, they will hear it

[00:56:40] every time you're on or somebody who I've connected with on that discord is on because I, it can't be said enough, especially, you know, in this day and age, uh, how important community is. So thank you very much, sir. No, I really appreciate it. I, I think, I think we're, we're in such a great time to create this, these things, right? Kickstarter, it's never been easier to, to make something and put it out in the world. Not everyone's going to make thousands of bucks. Yes. You're going to probably be competing

[00:57:10] against booby covers that are going to dominate you. And you're going to be like, why do I put so much work in it? Uh, when this guy just did a porn book, uh, all those things are a hundred percent true. But if you can find a community of people who love and support you and want you to succeed and care about the things that you care about, you know, that's what matters. Uh, people love these things, you know? Uh, I think I've said it on this podcast before. If not, this is my, this is something that

[00:57:33] I live by. These things outlive us, right? Spider-Man will have more friends in fake life than I will in real life and they will outlive both me and my friends. And that means something. It means something to me. If you do something to flash Thompson, I hurt. I wasn't even alive or paying attention when Gwen Stacy, I may have been alive. I don't know. I don't think I was alive when Gwen

[00:58:01] Stacy, when did Gwen Stacy die? I'm looking it up right now. Google it. Yeah. Uh, Gwen, Gwen Stacy died. That issue came out. Uh, it was the June, July issue, uh, 1973. I wasn't even alive when Gwen Stacy died and I am emotionally affected by it that I can't like spider web. These things matter and we're putting art into the world that matters. And, uh, you know,

[00:58:30] you said great things about me, but Jimmy, you are so talented. Your, your, your writing is so good. If anybody can buy, uh, I, are you going to be able to sell your book after, after the Kickstarter? Is there going to be ways? Yeah, I think, I think so. I'm going to, um, you know, I, maybe I'll, I'll, I'll appear at a few conventions selling my anthology of a maiden maiden Delco. So we'll, we'll see. You're really, really talented. You've got the stuff and there's so many people who are

[00:58:56] talented of this who just their real careers and their kids can't do it. So if you can get a community or if you need a community, my community is always open. Ask Jimmy, uh, Jimmy can get you my, my contact information and I'll give you an invite to the discord. Uh, we want to, we literally want to help you succeed. Uh, the things that I do, the reason why I create Cthulhu and holiday spirits

[00:59:19] and now summit is giving you avenues that you can do it because not everybody, uh, is, uh, I'm good at marketing and I'm sociable people, people like me. Uh, but not everyone has those skills. It doesn't mean they're a great, not a great talented writer or that if I can just teach you a couple of things that make you succeed or not, because a lot of people who don't succeed on Kickstarter, it's not based on talent. It's that they just didn't know how to present their Kickstarter

[00:59:44] properly, just literally formatting their Kickstarter, or they didn't put a page, their pages up. I've talked to people who I go to their Kickstarter page. It doesn't even have a cover. And they're like, the book's done. If the book's done, why didn't I not see anything? You're like, well, I didn't want to spoil anything. You got to spoil something or you got to show something like sometimes it's just one little piece of advice can change you from succeeding to not succeeding. Um, or from not succeeding to succeeding rather. Uh, and we want to be there for you and we

[01:00:13] have a great community to do so. Lots of people, myself and many who, who want to help you get to that next level, um, and achieve your goals, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Um, so, but, but thank you. Thank you, uh, for all that you do. Thanks for coming on. And, um, yeah, as we record this, it's a little, it's a few days before Thanksgiving. So I hope you and your family have a happy Thanksgiving listeners. I hope you had, if you're listening to this when it comes out, which will probably right after Thanksgiving, I hope you all had a nice holiday

[01:00:43] and a happy Thanksgiving. Uh, shout out to my brother, Bobby, the cryptic creator corners, number one, most dedicated fan. Bobby listens to all my episodes and he provides feedback. Sometimes it's helpful. Sometimes it's hurtful, but he's there. So, uh, uh, so thank you. I'm not a great guest, Bobby. I, uh, Jimmy and I, uh, don't want to really talk about kindness. We want to talk about so many things. I apologize. And I apologize that Jimmy offended everyone in Canada. Your Thanksgiving is valid. Just not as valid as ours. Uh, they, they have their own

[01:01:12] Thanksgiving. Um, all right. Thank you so much for listening. Thank you to Travis, uh, for Jim, uh, for, I was said for Jimmy Gasparo, I'm comic book Yeti for comic book Yeti. I'm Jimmy Gasparo. Good night. See you next time. This is Byron O'Neill. One of your hosts of the cryptic creator corner brought to you by comic book Yeti. We hope you've enjoyed this episode of our podcast. Please rate, review, subscribe, all that good stuff. It lets us know how we're doing and more importantly,

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